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laurencasualty
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1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« on: October 12, 2011, 04:28:24 PM »

Here's some stats
1. How big is your tank:  Gal / litres 10 gal

2. For how long has the tank been set up: since last Tuesday with no filter, added filter last Friday

3. How many fish: 1 now  Sad

4. What kind of fish: oranda

5. What are the water parameters:    Ammonia.........ppm
                                                            Nitrite..............ppm
                                                            Nitrate.............ppm
                                                            pH..........................
                                                            Temp...............degrees Celsius / Fahrenheit no clue, I think I should get a kit asap

6. How often do you perform water changes:  once a day right now while the tank is cycling but I really have absolutely no clue how often I should be changing or how much (how often should it be now and once it's cycled??)

7. How big are your waterchanges:      .....................% 10 while it's cycling (how much should it be once it's cycled??)

8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using: Top Fin water conditioner

9. Do you add beneficial bacteria: no, should I perhaps add some stress coat or stress zyme or something that I can't think of the name now to help make the cycling easier on my fishy?

10. Symptoms your fish is showing: she seems fine except the fin on her back is flopping over since her buddy died and she is not as hungry Undecided

11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms:  since last Saturday

12. How is the normal behaviour of your fish: active, hungry

13. How do the other fish behave: oops... RIP fishy husband  Embarrassed

14. Post pics of the sick fish: I can post a pic of her if you  want and a pic of the fuzzy spot on the head of the one that died to confirm it was a fungal infection

15. Do you have a filter on your tank, what kind, how big (gallons per hour) Aqueon QuietFlow 10, 100 gal per hour

16. Do you provide extra aeration with an air pump and air stone/diffuser of some kind.
 no

I don't even know where to start...
Last Tuesday I bought 2 baby orandas and got them a 10 gal tank but didn't have enough money to buy a filter at that time. Long story short, on Friday I noticed a fuzzy spot on the one oranda's wen and changed all the water and bought a filter and maroxy fungal med. but he was floating the next morning. (Probably because I was st*pid and bought a fish that was from the store's brand new stock still floating in their little baggies over the tank so I'm sure he was super stressed. Oh well, what's done is done..  Sad Also, I still put in the 1/2 cap of the maroxy for 5 days to try to make sure the fungus didn't spread to my remaining fish)Now I'm left with my one little red cap and I'm wondering how to keep her alive while the tank cycles... I had no idea keeping fish was so complicated. I have a number of questions:
1) What do I need to do to keep my little Eva alive while the tank cycles? I suppose I should invest in a kit to test the water.
2) While the tank is cycling, how often should I change the water and by how much?
3) Once the tank has cycled, how often should I change the water and by how much?
4) My college dorm limits me to a 10 gal tank. Should I stick with only having one fish?
5) I'm so confused about tank cycling.. When I have to replace the filter cartridge does this mean that the tank has to re-cycle??
6) Do I need to vacuum the gravel and how do I do it?
7) My fish has to go home with me over winter break and during the summer. Should I get another tank for at home or just dump out the water and transport the one I have? Does this mean my tank will have to re-cycle twice a year?

Sorry about all the questions, I'm just paranoid since I already lost one fishy  Undecided
If anyone can take the time to help me it would be very much appreciated!! <3
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 02:24:34 AM »

my little fishy is just floating vetically at the top of the water. i wonder if the person looking after her for me while i was home on break over-fed her, or if she's just a miserable because she's prob swimming around in poison right now  Sad

yeah so that is the longest white string of poop, like a good 2 inches.. what did they do; feed her 10 x a day?! ugh, i specifically found someone who has fish to take care of her but obviously they don't know as much as i thought. poor little eva, she looks so depressed  Sad
and my ferrret was just throwing up. and my horse has rain rot that won't go away. i think my animals are trying to make me go insane!! Dx
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 04:23:57 AM »

Hi Lauren,

Sorry to hear things haven't been going so well.

Firstly with regards to your dorm regulations and tank sizes, it is recommended that for the first fish, you have 20 gallons and then 10 gallons for each additional fish. So that 10 gallon tank you had 2 fish in, was simply too small for both of them. I'm not sure if it would be okay to keep 1 oranda in a 10 gallon. I'm sure one of the others here who have more experience with orandas can help you out there with advice.

Secondly, tank cycling!
There are a few threads on here, with regards to cycling a tank, so I shall give you a quick introduction Smiley
Fish poo and un-eaten food all give off ammonia, which is extremely harmful to fish and so, within the tank bacteria grow to take care of this ammonia, so your fish can be healthy and happy.

First Ammonia levels will rise and during this time bacteria will be growing, that convert Ammonia into Nitrites, once this begins to happen, the Ammonia level will drop and Nitrites will begin to rise.
Now Nitrites aren't very good for the fish either and so once more, bacteria grows to convert the Nitrites into Nitrates. Again once this happens the Nitrite level will drop and the Nitrate level will rise.
Nitrates aren't all that great for fish either, but fish can tolerate them up to 40ppm.

Once Ammonia is at 0ppm, Nitrites at 0ppm and Nitrates is under 40ppm, then your tank has cycled.

As for water changes, in a cycled tank, usaully once a week is fine, there is a fab thread that Nossie a member here made about water changes in a cycled tank, so be sure to check it out! (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

While your tank is cycling, it can be helpful to either purchase a water testing kit or take a sample to a local pet store, this will tell you what levels the ammonia, nitrites and nitrates are, so you know how far along in cycling your tank is.
With water changes during this time, it is sometimes best to change the water once every day or two, simply because the water parameters will be a little crazy and will stress out the fish.
I have personally used and would recommend Stress Zyme as I found it really helped when I was having issues with cycling my tank.

Now with filters, the only filter part that will need replacing once every 8 weeks or so, is the carbon pad (if you have one). As for the other filter media, this is where alot of the bacteria lives, so it will need an occasional clean in old tank water (it must be cleaned in old tank water, other wise you'll kill the bacteria). If you do need to change the filter media, change half of it at a time. This will help with the bacteria and stop the tank from having to cycle again. (I'm not sure when a good time to change the filter media is, I'm still learning about filters myself!)

As for gravel, it is a good idea to clean it, you can pick up a gravel cleaner from any pet store and they usaully come with instructions. In the link posted above, Nossie includes a diagram of how she uses her gravel cleaner, so you may find that helpful.

Okay so taking your fish home?
It would probably be best to take the tank with you and transport the fish in a small container. Moving will stress the fish out, so only do it when necessary. If you're going away for a weekend or just a week, then leave the fish where it is.
Fish can survive without food for up to 2 weeks, so your fish will be okay.

Lastly, if your fish has long stringy white poo, this can be caused by various things, it could possibly be a bacterial infection.
This article may help (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Okay so I think I covered everything? Sorry to hear your other animals are sick too! I hope they all get better soon!
Best of luck! Let us know how you get on Smiley
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 04:27:23 AM »

I'm so sorry for all the trouble you have right now Sad In any case, I'll just answer your questions and hope to help Smiley

1. A test kit would be a of great help! Then you need to test the ph, Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate every day until you're sure the ammonia is gone and the nitrites are low Smiley Other than that, you could try changing out half the water every second-third day. And as you mentioned earlier about the stress coat -zyme, that would definitely be a good idea! It would help the tank cycle a bit faster Smiley

2. Like I said, half every second to third day or depending on the test results.

3. 50-75% every week.

4. Absolutely! Orandas can grow to be 12 inches long, so keeping her in that 10 gallon is already far too small, if you think about the measurements. The minimum for one fancy goldfish is 20 gallons, but it will survive in a 10, as long as you'll be testing the nitrates weekly to make sure it stays below 40ppm Smiley

5. You should change only half the filter media at a time, and that can be done every third month or even more seldom!
You can clean the filter in a bucket of tank water while you're doing a water change in case you notice that it gets a bit dirty Smiley (And don't use carbon, like Skwishee said it will have to be exchanged, but most carbon pads need to be exchanged after 2 weeks and that's just a lot of money dumped on nothing)

6. Yes you do! Every time you change the water is a good idea! In this thread: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) there are pictures included and some more information on water changes and how to maintain the filter Smiley

7. Yes, no and yes. You probably would need to keep another tank at home, but this would be very stressful for your fish and she probably wouldn't be able to handle moving around twice a year!! Exactly how long are your breaks from school? If they're max 2 weeks she should survive without food as long as you perform a large water change before you go! (75-80%)

And Eva didn't have any signs of fungal infection, she's only a bit lethargic with bad appetite?

(Karma to Skwishee by the way! Wink You posed right when I did so I had to change a few points in here xD)
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 08:32:11 AM »

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and my horse has rain rot that won't go away. i think my animals are trying to make me go insane!! Dx
This is off topic but I think it will help...
After it rained for 7 days straight, my 27 year old gelding got rainrot REALLY bad...first time he has ever gotten it and I've had him for 17 years.  My friend had an antimicrobial medicated shampoo that she had gotten from her vet (you can probably get it at a tackstore and/or online though I would think)...I would recommend getting that and following the directions on the bottle, you're supposed to wash them, let the shampoo sit for 10 minutes, rinse it off and do it again for really bad cases.  Also, one product I love and use all the time is called Micro-Tek spray for horses, it is expensive but it will help promote healing and keep it from spreading.  It is really important that you groom your horse everyday and dont use your grooming supplies on any other horses until you disinfect them, rain rot can spread from horse to horse this way.  Unfortunately with rain rot it is one of those things that it will just look like it isnt getting any better for a few days, if it isnt spreading that is a great sign, my horse lost most of the hair on his whithers, back and croup...lots of grooming will pull out the scabs which will cause hair loss but once that happens you know it is healing.  It has been raining for a few days here so I'm worried my horse will get it again, its such a pain in the butt!!!

As far as your little fishies go, I know you feel bad but you arent the only one, I did the SAME thing when the petstore told me I could have four orandas in a 10 gallon tank, three days later, almost all of them were dead..no one explained tank cycling to me and the guy told me I had to change the filter media every two weeks, so I did that which set back my cycling even more. I really think sometimes they just hire anyone off the street to sell fish.  This hobby takes a lot of research and trial and error but you'll get it and it'll be really rewarding in the end....I still have my 10 gallon tank with my one oranda and it is difficult to maintain but since I cant afford a larger tank right now so I have no choice.

Best of luck with all your pets!!
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 07:33:25 PM »

Thanks all! I am very grateful for your help and advice. Eva seems to be doing better today. I bought a Mardel test kit and got the following readings:
pH: 6.5
nitrate: 0
nitrite: 0
ammonia: 0.2
Do the NO3/NO2 readings mean my tank hasn't even begun to cycle yet? The parameters on the test strip ranged from very pale to dark pink and my results came out clear/slightly tan or peach colored.. Confused -.-
Anyway, I'm still changing 10% of the water daily and I will add stress zyme tonight.

Nossie: Thanksgiving break is 1 week and winter break is around 5 weeks. ALL pets are required to be moved off campus  BOTH of these breaks to prevent neglect.  Undecided Also, assuming I graduate on time little Eva will only be living in her 10 gallon tank for 2 1/2 years; she can't grow so much in only 2 1/2 years that the tank size will stunt her, right?? And, maybe this sounds st*pid, but do you think she's lonely? I think she misses her friend.. Are there any little guppies or something that I can put 1 in with her just to give her company without creating a too big a load for the tank size?

Ireiden: Ahaha I love Micro-Tek; that's what we're spraying on him now. Micro-Tek works wonders for all kinds of skin problems  Grin My mom is the one taking care of him for the most part while I'm at college, but I trust her to treat him well of course haha. His scabs are slowly coming off; it's now only on his back cannons and no longer on his gaskins or back and rump, so I'm very thankful for my mom's willingness to care for him. OMG he's the cutest horse ever<3 haha. Good luck with your pony (:

Also, Skwishee, just b/c I don't have any specific reply to your info doesn't mean I don't find it helpful or that I don't appreciate it. Just sayin =P
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 03:06:47 AM »

That's okay Cheesy

And yes your tank hasn't cycled completely yet Smiley
I think mine took 3 or 4 weeks, to sort itself out, so you'll need to keep up with the regular water changes/water tests, just to keep an eye on things. Remember that with cycling, ammonia will appear first, then nitrites, then nitrates.
So as your tank is new, it's no surprise that your seeing ammonia and nothing else at the moment.

The stress zyme will definitley help out with the cycling and if you see the ammonia (or nitrites) getting too high, do a larger water change for a while, just to help out your fish Smiley I think when I was dealing with nitrites I did 30% water changes daily until they went down, which surprisingly only took a week with the help of stress zyme  Cheesy
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 03:34:14 AM »

Sadly, you can't put any more fish in the tank or you'll overload the filter by far. Not to mention that guppies most likely would get eaten, and mollies or platies might start eating Eva's fins.
Maybe you should consider leaving her at your parents' place during the breaks then? I mean, otherwise you'll have to maintain two tanks that are too small either way, and that would just get pretty hard in the long run I think :/

Orandas grow very fast, I've had mine now for a year and she's already 4 inches long, I don't know how old she was when I got her, but she's grown roughly two inches since! From personal experience, I think an absolute maximum time of keeping a goldfish in a 10 gallon tank is a year, I had mine just below a year and a few of them did get stunted and they died just recently :/ (And they were obviously not growing as fast as the new fish I got for the larger tank)

Like Skwishee says, your tank isn't cycled, and since it's small it might be acting up every once in a while too, when I was trying to cycle my 10 gallon, it completely skipped ammonia and went straight to the nitrite and nitrate but they stayed pretty bothersome all the time. You have only one goldfish there, so maybe it'll be okay? Using beneficial bacteria during cycling will probably help considerably Smiley My 83 gal cycled in two weeks with that.
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 08:47:17 AM »

I hope I dont stunt my oranda.  I am not even sure at this point that she is an oranda (sold as a red cap oranda but I have my doubts)...she's def gotten bigger though...how long until they really start showing characteristics of the oranda breed?  She has chunked up a bit and has the same fins as my other one, but she isnt getting a wen yet.  If she's not an oranda that's fine too...either way she's still cute Smiley
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2011, 03:53:33 AM »

Like I've mentioned in many other threads (but Lord knows which ones!!), all orandas I've ever bought had headgrowth from day 1 Cheesy
Baby was just an inch when I got her and she already had a nice little cap on Wink She's getting cheeks now, and a really round belly Wink

As I looked at pictures of the fish, I really can't see even a hint of it being an oranda, the head is completely smooth and doesn't really have the kind of wide look that an oranda usually has. But hey, you can keep an eye on Dolly and see what happens Smiley The picture wasn't that clear either way so... Smiley
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2011, 07:05:02 AM »

Iredien: She could Tancho. Which means its still an oranda but it only has a red spot on its head instead of a wen. Thats what Jose has.
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2011, 03:04:54 AM »

It's not an oranda if it doesn't have a cap Smiley
Tancho (or "Red Crane") is just the name of the color, all goldfish varieties except orandas are called this way if they have the silver body and red spot on their head Smiley I think they even use the same name for this color in koi, but I'm not sure on that.
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2011, 06:36:14 AM »

Oh. I have got to remember you could win goldfish jepardy on day! Wink
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 11:19:16 AM »

my local pet-shop sells all sorts of fish as orandas, including Ryukin...basically anything that isn't a common they call Oranda
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 11:50:39 AM »

Why thank you, fantailer! Smiley Like I already said, they're sort of confusing.
And as scrivens says, it happens that everything is sold labeled "Oranda".
Here they're simply "Goldfish" which works a tad better in the end since people won't get the wrong idea on the fish the same way.
Sometimes the moors are labeled as "Telescopes" at most, they're a bit cheaper than the rest, but they're also usually smaller Smiley
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2011, 05:58:07 PM »

haha goldfish jeopardy  Grin
anyway, sorry i dissapeared for so long, i had a really busy past 2 weeks.. eva is a very happy little fish now  Grin her dorsal fin is back up and she's swimming around and wiggling at me when i come to see her<3 i have been doing 1 g water changes every day/2 g every other day but haven't checked the water lately; i plan on doing that tonight. i recently noticed a small orange spot around the top of her "shoulder" and am wondering if this is just pigment developing  (which i think would be weird since she's a redcap) or a burn, or something else bad  Undecided besides that though she seems quite content<3 i'm glad she's gotten over grieving the loss of her fish hubby haha. i've been reading about goldfish diets lately and, needless to say, decided that i need to start feeding her more than just flakes!! i gave her part of a pea yesterday; i think she really liked it xD at first i made the pieces too big and she kept sucking them up and spitting them back out like "yum they're so good but omg they no fit in mah mouths!!" i'm sure she was a happy little girl when i broke them into even smaller pieces for her wittle baby mouth(: and she's growing already... i can't believe she's already getting bigger...

Ok just tested the water (haven't changed the gal yet for today) and it is STILL at 0 nitrates and nitrites and ammonia 0.2
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2011, 07:07:53 PM »

also: i'm a little confused about tank size requirements for one fish..
i've been browsing this forum for a few weeks now and i've seen recommendations for both 10g for 1 fish and 20g for one fish.. is this because some fish, like my oranda, get larger than other types and therefore are better off with the 20g for a single fish? just wondering

sorry to keep posting but i think we may have a problem...  Undecided
i just noticed that eva's dorsal fin has flattened back again and she is hovering at the top of the water (she was normal a few hours ago). as i was observing her i noticed her flashing for about 10 seconds. she suddenly started darting around like crazy and smacking the side of her head off the gravel!!!! i don't know what's wrong, she's been perfectly fine for a week and as previously stated i just tested the water (about an hour or 2 ago) and it came up ammonia 0.2 and nitrates and nitrites 0.. the only thing i can think of is the weird orange spot on top of her shoulder. please help; i thought eva and i had kicked all these problems  Cry

on closer examination i noticed the orange spot has white fluff coming from it. another fungus?? should i treat with maroxy fungal meds? this darn fishie is killing me  Sad
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2011, 12:33:37 PM »

Orandas are one of the largest breed of fancy goldfish, and should therefore be kept in the larger tank of 20 gallons. 10 gallons can be done for 1 fancy goldfish that is not an oranda, but it is highly recommended just to get the 20 gallon for the first fish and then 10 gallons for each additional one.

Your ammonia is probably causing your fish to show flashing symptoms - the wild, uncontroled spasms that goldfish have when something isn't quite right, be it illness or poor water quality. Ammonia is dangerous in any traceable ammount. Whenever you see signs such as these it is a great idea to conduct a water change, probably 40-50%, until the ammonia goes down. Keep testing the water over the course of the next few weeks while your tank is cycling so you can keep tabs on the parameters.

I would not recommend putting medications in a tank that is trying to cycle and has water quality problems. That can cause even more problems, as well as stress the fish out. I would treat her patch of illness with a concentration of salt; that has always worked for me, as it is incredibly effective at healing illness while leaving the water quality unaltered. The dosage is as follows: 3 tablespoons per 10 gallons of water. Pre-disolve the salt in a 1/4 cup of tank water before gradually pouring it into the tank. You can also try dabbing the area with a Q-tip saturated in hydrogen peroxide while holding the fish in one hand.

All the best for your little fish!  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2011, 03:49:53 PM »

Thank you goldiegirl I will try the hydrogen peroxide. How often should i do it? Also, since my tank is cycling so slowly, can I add stress Zune more than once a week or is that dangerous? I wonder why its still taking soooo long; its been at these values for about 2 weeks (and this is the first I've seen her flash). Poor Eva =(
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2011, 04:18:48 PM »

It  could take up too two months for a tank to cycle. Sad

Dab the fish with  the hydrogen peroxide using a q-tip very softly.

I would only add stress Zuna once a week as it mabye painful to watch a streessed fish its more painful to watch an overdosed fish.The fish would be dead Cry.
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2011, 06:54:17 PM »

-sigh- she seems happy enough today
i gave her some broccoli  Grin she's such a little cutie<3
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2011, 04:12:09 AM »

How much stress zyme are you adding into the tank? As long as your following the instructions on the label, it should be okay.
From what I remember I added stress zyme on the 1st, 7th and 14th day adding around 4ml each time (as my tank is around 4/5 gallons and the dosage for a new tank is 10ml per 10 gallons) and this pretty much sorted out my tank.
Now I only need to add around 2ml once a week (the dosage is lower for a cycled tank at 5ml per 10 gallons).

As fantailer mentioned tanks can take a while to cycle it can take anywhere from 4 to 6/8 weeks, so patience is the key here.
Hope Eva gets better soon! (Also if you do use a salt treatment, when you do a water change, you need to remember to add salt back in, as you would have taken some of it out with the water)

Good luck! Hope your tank sorts itself out soon Smiley
And fish are cute when the nibble at brocolli aren't they, mine loves the stuff! Cheesy
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2011, 05:54:20 AM »

Every goldfish should have a 20 gallon tank minimum, but then you can keep two smaller fancies in it instead, if you want to keep Eva alone, she should be in a 20 gal, but since she probably wants a buddy, a 30 gallon for 2 orandas would be paradise for them Smiley
10 gallon tanks are simply so small that the water parameters won't stay stable for any longer amounts of time, if you get a pH crash, it seriously crashes, and may even kill the fish in the process!! Same with ammonia spikes or nitrite spikes, there's simply such a small amount of water and such a big amount of waste, that it would be devastating for the fish. The bigger the tank you have (=more water) the bigger safety buffer Smiley And of course, a larger tank will be a lot more stable, water parameter wise and your fish won't get shocked if you perform larger water changes thanks to the amount of water still left in. I usually do 50-75% a week.

Other than that, I agree with the previous posters, and I wish you all the luck with Eva Smiley
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2011, 02:20:49 PM »

The hydrogen peroxide treatment should be executed once daily.

I have found this method very effective against combatting various forms of fungus, minor injuries, wen infections, and fin rot.

Hold the fish in one hand (a clean hand, mind you, cleaned without the use of soaps) over the tank incase the fisn decides to wriggle free. Dab the area with the Q-tip very gently but thouroughly, making sure not to squeeze the fish. When you release the fish back into the water, you can usually spot a cluster of bubbles forming on the abrasion, indicating that the disinfectant is working.

A couple of warnings: do not keep the fish out of the water too long, as this will stress it, but at the same time don't rush so your hands shake and you end up not treating the fish thouroughly. Nor should you add any peroxide directly into the tank water itself. This causes severe hemmorhaging of the fins. Also, be sure not to get the peroxide into the fish's eyes.

Hope this helps!  Wink
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2011, 10:23:00 PM »

Thanks guys(: I love my little Eva =D
also, I thought I read that you weren't supposed to add salt in a cycling tank.. Is this true, or am I dreaming things again =P
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2011, 01:31:27 PM »

Salt interferes little with cycling compared to the strong chemicals used in most commercial medications known to kill benificial bacteria crutial for a cycling tank. Salt has been known to cause minor oxygen depletion, so it is important to have an airstone or a surface-agitating pump active during use. Just keep tabs on the water quality and you should be ok.

Also, when using salt, make sure that is a natural, non-iodized salt or other fish safe brand. I have always used natural sea salt and have found it works great.
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2011, 07:44:53 PM »

i only used the peroxide once (since i wasn't sure how often you could apply it) but i'm 90% certain her fungus is gone  (: its not fuzzy anymore and the orange spot is very light if not gone entirely  Cheesy wondering if i should reapply just to be sure it's really gone for good?
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2011, 01:21:27 PM »

That's why it would be a good idea to add a concentration of salt Smiley It would also protect Eva's gills against the nitrites.
I haven't used Hydrogen peroxide so far, but from the information Goldiegirl gives, you should apply it once a day.
Maybe you should try adding some once more?
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2011, 01:55:21 PM »

i will probably go for the salt when my tank actually starts cycling  Undecided it's been up and running with the filter for 4 weeks but still no change in water parameters. i noticed eva bottom sitting today so i decided to test the water, but it's still nitrite and nitrate 0 and ammonia 0.2. i have been doing water changes 10% every day or 20% every other day. am i doing something wrong that i'm still not seeing anything spiking?   Huh i am correct in thinking that there have to be at least small spikes when cycling is occuring, right?

could this possibly be because i still haven't gotten a chance to purchase a gravel vacuum? (will happen soon, running out of water conditioner so i need a trip to the petstore lol) i can't think of anything else that i could be doing wrong. grr. the water appears slightly cloudy, which i thought indicated the bacteria are starting to grow, correct? i feel like a bad fish mom  Sad

concerned about the bottom sitting. did a 30% water change just to be on the safe side. right now she is laying down behind a plant up against the wall of the aquarium with her dorsal fin slightly back. she will periodically swim about or search the gravel, but then go back to sitting on the bottom. she will swim over and beg for food when i come over like she usually does. could she be constipated?  Embarrassed hasn't had a pea for a week.
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Re: 1 oranda in 10 gal tank currently CYCLING
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2011, 05:30:41 PM »

Sorry to hear things are a little rough.

Yes spikes usually occur when a tank is cycling and I don't think the lack of gravel vacuum is the cause. I didn't vacuum the gravel for the first month I had my tank and it cycled (although it's not something to be recommended doing). I would just pick up a gravel cleaner as soon as you can, it may help Smiley
Also if the tank is cloudy, then yes, you are correct to think it's bacteria, the cloudiness will dissappear as the bacteria settle.

As for little Eva's behaviour, bottom sitting and dorsal fin back huh? Are there any other symptoms externally you can see?
How are her eating habits now?
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