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Ambiekate
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Picking a new fish
« on: September 10, 2011, 04:49:13 PM »

We have finally gotten our tank under control....it is a new tank...and I know we can safely add one more  Moor into it...right now...we have an algae eater, and a black moor.....it's taken a few months and loosing a few fish, but everything seems good. What I want to know is if i get another moor from THE same tank....does it need to be quarantined?  This whole fish thing is new to us, the tank is for my 4 year old son. Everyone is happy right now in the tank....the tank is 14 liters,  or should i even bother with getting another..? the instructions say i can have up to 3 fish in the tank...thanks for letting me pick your brains...Smiley  Grin
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2011, 08:56:23 PM »

No you can't put another fish in that tank. In fact it is way to small for one goldfish! You need to get a 80 liter tank now!!!! You are suffocating your fish with all the amnonia!!
Goldfish can live for 20 years and grow to a foot long easily if you take care of right!!!!
Fortunately this probably isn't your fault you were probably misinformed by petstore employees!
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Ambiekate
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2011, 09:03:50 PM »

Thanks, why do company's make things and suggest the improper usage of them!! Drives me bonkers.  All our readings for the tank thus far pretty good...we will look into a better tank....it's amazing how much work goes into having fish....not complaining in anyway..i happen to enjoy them....so does our cat...but the fish a kinda cool!!  Like I said I am totally new to the fish as pets world, and I really appreciate your input. I was  glad i stumbled upon this site. L) cheers!
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2011, 09:05:41 PM »

and thats why I was asking here.......from reading what I have here...and  then reading other things....I just wanted to get the proper facts, and knew I'd find them here!!
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2011, 09:31:29 PM »

Oh your welcome! Wink You could keep a betta in your bowl.
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2011, 09:33:04 PM »

lol, it's not a bowl.....Tongue it is a cute tank....fits on my sons dresser just perfect.... Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2011, 09:33:20 PM »

and it's nice to meet ya!!!
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2011, 10:11:46 AM »

Hello there.  Smiley It is recommended to have 20 gallons for your first goldfish and then 10 more for each additional fish. 14 litres is much to small even for ONE goldfish. They may be doing fine right now, but in the end things will get pretty bad...as in, the fish will be gradually poisoning itself with ammonia and getting stunted from being in too small of a house. It isn't your fault, you were just misinformed. Sadly, it's all too common that people write things that just aren't true to sell their product. Only tropical fish can be kept in a tank that small...fantailer is right, if you want to keep fish in it you had best get a betta or some other tropical fish. Otherwise, you really need to get a nice, roomy, cycled 20 gallon tank for that moor, and he should live a very long, happy life. He won't last more than a few years in that tiny space. Fancy goldfish (black moors included in that group) grow anywhere from 6-8 inches long. If they don't have the room to grow that big, their bodies will stop growing but their organs do not...you do the math. So if you care about your fish long term, please get him a larger tank and don't add any more fish into the one you already have, unless they be tropical. He should live a very long time if you take proper care of him.  Smiley
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2011, 11:34:24 AM »

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We have finally gotten our tank under control....it is a new tank...and I know we can safely add one more  Moor into it...right now...we have an algae eater, and a black moor.....it's taken a few months and loosing a few fish, but everything seems good. What I want to know is if i get another moor from THE same tank....does it need to be quarantined?  This whole fish thing is new to us, the tank is for my 4 year old son. Everyone is happy right now in the tank....the tank is 14 liters,  or should i even bother with getting another..? the instructions say i can have up to 3 fish in the tank...thanks for letting me pick your brains...Smiley  Grin

The wisdom for tropical fish is 1 inch per gallon. Or in metric, about 2/3 cm per liter.

But none of that applies to goldfish.

Goldfish have have two characteristics that most tropical fish don't.

First is that they grow fast and big. Up to around a foot long. Check out the big goldfish tank during your next visit to a Chinese restaurant.

The second is that goldfish lack a stomach. They eat a lot and they produce a lot of ammonia as a result of their digestive system. All that has to be taken care of by bio filtering and a lot of water. Or you will keep having sick fish that die.

You should be looking at a tank of around 100 liters for the two goldfish and the algae eater. That should be enough to discourage you!

Fish have different social structures. Goldfish are highly social as well as intelligent and really benefit by having a small shoal of fish to swim with.

  The thing with goldfish, in particular the hardy common, shubunkin and comet varieties is that they are tough fish that can live in circumstances that will quickly kill other fish. That doesn't meant that is right or proper. Now think about all those images of a goldfish living in a goldfish bowl and being flushed when it was perhaps just an inch or two long when it should have been at least 6 inches and lived at least 10 years.

  It is just a fish, and one that is commonly fed to other fish. But I think you want to do better, and you can.

  Fishy Jeff
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Nossie
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2011, 01:52:30 PM »

Everyone already pretty much said what needs to be said Smiley

I'd just like to add, that the best way to calculate stocking levels in the metric system is to keep 1cm of fish per every 2 liters of water. So basically, in a 14 liter tank, you can keep ONE fish that's 7cm long, or two fish that are 3-3,5cm. Sadly, most tropicals live in shoals, so... I'd just add a betta, they do best on their own.
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2011, 06:07:08 PM »

Would make a nice tank for a Betta.

They could also add a couple of Amano shrimp and Nerite or Assassin snails to help keep it clean.

Just don't try to add Nerite and Assassins together. Nerites eat algae, Assassins eat snails... hence the name. They also eat uneaten food and junk that falls to the bottom of your tank.

I've also had luck keeping Dwarf African frogs with Betta fish. Just make sure they are Dwarf frogs, not the regular African clawed ones.

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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2011, 11:57:59 PM »

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Would make a nice tank for a Betta.

They could also add a couple of Amano shrimp and Nerite or Assassin snails to help keep it clean.

Just don't try to add Nerite and Assassins together. Nerites eat algae, Assassins eat snails... hence the name. They also eat uneaten food and junk that falls to the bottom of your tank.

I've also had luck keeping Dwarf African frogs with Betta fish. Just make sure they are Dwarf frogs, not the regular African clawed ones.



Thanks for that. None of that I think will work in my pond (no snails anyways) but I'll keep it in mind for the girlfriends 29. I know she will overfeed the fish.

I was at a Petsmart a few days ago, it looked well kept and had a lot of fish. (I've been looking for a yellow goldfish for the pond) They had a fair sized common goldfish in several of the tanks and claimed it was to get rid of snails. Does that seem right?

On another note, the Chinese restaurant I ate at had a tank of Blood Red Parrot Goldfish. The 6 year old was a big fish!

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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 02:41:31 AM »

What's a Parrot Goldfish? I have never hear of any such thing?

Ambiekate: So are you looking for a nice 100 liter tank now? Smiley
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Fishy Jeff
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 07:17:50 AM »

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What's a Parrot Goldfish? I have never hear of any such thing?

I'm not positive it is a goldfish although it looked to like it was. Perhaps a Cichlid:

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Creates a lot of waste like a goldfish though and behaves similarly.

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Ambiekate: So are you looking for a nice 100 liter tank now? Smiley
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 02:07:14 PM »

Ah! No, that's a parrot fish Smiley I don't remember exactly which family it belongs to, but it's definitely not related to goldfish Smiley
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Re: Picking a new fish
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2011, 04:16:16 PM »

That is a blood parrot cichlid. They are man made hybrid fish. They are created from cross breeding two current cichlids. They have nothing at all to do with goldfish. They are somewhat aggresive and usually sterile. They should be kept in a species tank with other parrots and usually have a hard time feeding due to deformed mouths. Some consider them to be cruel as they have been known to starve due to poor jaw structures.


They do however make great pets. They are smart, have a lot of personality and are very cute.
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