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Ammonia spike! advice..?
« on: February 18, 2012, 06:49:45 AM »

Hey guys its me,
I tested my water the other day and ammonia levels had risen, just over 0.25. I preformed a 50% water change and put some ammo lock in. I did the same yesterday as the levels stayed the same, cleaned the filter etc. Checked it an hour ago and it is the same so I have preformed another 50% water change and added more ammo lock.
Is there anything else I can do? I understand that levels around 0.25 can be tolerated but I still want to get rid of them. As this tank has now been set up for approx. 2 and a half weeks is this a normal part of the cycle? Nitrates and nitrites are 0!
Any advice on what to do for Carlos?  Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 06:53:39 AM »

you might need to do a 50% change every other day at the beginning of your new tank's cycle. As the tank starts to stabilize you can gradually decrease the frequency of water changes until you only need a weekly change Grin
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 06:59:38 AM »

Yeah I was doing a 25% water change nearly everyday for the first week and I then went on to every other day, until I found there was ammonia present and it scared me! Is it not harming Carlos too much then? Will I be ok just doing the 50% water changes every other day?
Thanks scrivens345  Cool
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 08:41:41 AM »

the change must be at least 50% otherwise the pollutants will continue to increase


you need some ammonia early in the cycle for the bacteria to feed on they will then convert this to nitrites. A second colony of bacteria will then grow and these will convert the nitrites to nitrates. once the tank is only producing nitrates you may consider it fully cycled...... Grin
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 09:32:22 AM »

Ohhh I see! Thanks for the information! I've been reading up but its quite complicated!
I will continue to do 50% water changes every other day then! Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 10:28:10 AM »

If my memory serves me, I think there was a problem with ammo lock namely that the test results would come out wonky if you use it. Better exchange it for some beneficial bacteria Smiley You can use it 'til the bottle is empty I suppose, but it would be far better to add the bio filter booster Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 10:30:38 AM »

you could be right there Nossie...I don't use easy balance until my tank is fully cycled, the bacteria need as much food as possible to build an adequate colony.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 10:46:29 AM »

Oh thanks for telling me Nossie, youve scared me though haha! Dont want to use it if its useless I suppose...
I use beneficial bacteria when I clean the tank I was just using the ammo when the ammonia levels has risen! Smiley Hope that's ok?
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 10:52:13 AM »

I am pretty sure that Ammo will slow down the cycle.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 10:55:22 AM »

Ok I will probably stop using it then, it just says on the bottle it protects the fish from the ammonia? So I added for anything to protect my little fishy! Smiley
I'll just carry on using the bacteria  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 02:14:48 PM »

Then of course it may be beneficial to the fish, but on the other hand, if it slows down the cycle in the process, he'll have to be stressed about it for longer :/ Anyhow, let us know how it goes Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2012, 02:16:05 PM »

Yeah so maybe Ill just not use it, it doesn't say the ammonia level is too harmful at the moment anyway!
Thanks, will do! Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 02:30:53 PM »

 doing a cycle with the fish in is hard work, but it sounds as if you are on top of it
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 03:24:02 PM »

Yeah I started the cycle for 4 days before I put him in and its been going fine for the last two weeks and now ive noticed this, so hopefully with my knowledge gained on here, ill be fine? 
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2012, 03:54:54 AM »

Sure you will! Smiley I introduced a few of my fish to this tank after about 4 days as well and it cycled within ten days Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2012, 06:01:40 AM »

Thanks! That's made me feel much better! Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2012, 06:06:14 AM »

My tank cycled with Lucky in it Smiley It took around 3 weeks for me, but I did cheat and used old filter media/gravel for a bit of help.
So my tank didn't really cycle properly (it was a bit weird).
I did cycle the smaller tank with her in it as well (poor fish she's been through so much), I think that one took around 2 - 3 weeks to cycle properly as well.

As long as you keep up with regular tests and water changes, Carlos will be fine Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2012, 06:09:11 AM »

Thanks Skwishee! I think my cycle will be more like yours! The gravel and filter were new so I expect it to take longer, but yeah I'm a little obsessed with testing the water!  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2012, 12:26:01 PM »

I used water and gravel from the old tank when I set the new one up. I think it really helped leaving it with some slightly dirty water for the first few days for a kick start... Smiley

But whateverrrr Grin I hope the cycling will go well from now on! Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2012, 01:03:43 PM »

Yeah I couldn't use any gravel because the biorb has special stuff that I sold :/ However I did use some old water Wink
Thanks, Nossie!
I'm getting slightly worried because the test kit detects a rise in ammonia but my ammonia alert in the tank says 'safe'? I am doing a little water change every day because im scared its building up too much? Is that wrong? Should I be leaving it to every other day? Or doesn't it really matter? Roll Eyes
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2012, 01:57:36 PM »

Every other day should be fine, you need a rise in ammonia to grow the bacteria.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2012, 02:29:49 PM »

Yeah thought so I just thought it would be bad for the fish?
Im like a little worried Mother  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2012, 04:21:50 PM »

Nah, just take out maybe half the water when you do Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2012, 06:31:02 PM »

Ok thanks Nossie!  Cool
I found the cycle quite confusing to be honest, but Ive been reading around and find it easier to understand now, I get that the fish tank need the ammonia in the cycling process...  Roll Eyes
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2012, 04:28:07 AM »

What ammonia alert do you have cdale?
I would personally go by what the test kit says.

Also ammonia is harmful to fish, but as long as you stay on top of things, Carlos should be okay.
Once the ammonia goes down, the nitrites will begin to appear, this again is something that is harmful to fish and should be dealt with. I had a horrible nitrite spike in the 21 litre tank and had to resort to doing daily water changes because it was literally off the chart, being well over 5ppm.

So should anything sky rocket like it did with me, do not hesitate to do large water changes daily for a while.
I did daily water changes for a week and eventually the Nitrite went  Grin
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2012, 05:56:45 AM »

Well yeah that's the thing, my ammonia alert in the tank says safe but the test said in between 0.25 and 0.50. So not too bad but it freaked me out, I did a water change but that didn't do anything, and have done a few since but doesn't seem to have done anything?  I'm leaving it today for the bacteria to get to work and then Ill do a 50% water change tomorrow, that should be alright shouldn't it?
I just worry because Carlos has visible veins in this tail, he's acting himself, apart from sleeping alot on a morning, think I just worry too much!  Roll Eyes Could this just be due to the stress of cycling the tank with him in?

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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2012, 06:00:28 AM »

Oh and I'd like to mention, he has been fine with the lights for the past week and a bit now, but this morning the light is freaking him out and he's looking distressed!  Huh I have one strange fishy with the whole light issues!  Undecided
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2012, 06:52:15 AM »

time for a water change?
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2012, 06:55:18 AM »

Well I changed some yesterday? Would I need to do it again? Ammonia levels are still the same, if anything going down slowly!
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2012, 07:06:46 AM »

funnily enough I did my weekly water change on Saturday, on Sunday I noticed one of my fish looked grumpy. So I tested the water and found my tap-safe additive levels were a little low.

If you observe your fish, he'll tell you when something is off.

check your water parameters, again.
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