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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2012, 07:16:18 AM »

I have just done a slight water change to be on the safe side, I just feel doing too many water changes will stress him out?
He does look a little stressed out but I have tested the ammonia and its a light green colour saying 0.25 so that's not too high, I have a rubbish nitrite and nitrate testing kit at the moment, waiting on another to be delivered tomorrow but at the moment it says the levels are fine!
He's just hyper at the moment, the only worrying sign in the veins in the tail, not really displayed anywhere else  Huh hmmmm...
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2012, 07:31:51 AM »

keep up the water changes, as the water impurities will cause more stress than changing the water. You might have to do a partial water change very day at the moment......the rule is check your fish, particularly his fins, if in doubt, do a water change.
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2012, 07:43:46 AM »

Ok thanks! Ill do a 25% water change every day then! I have been but didn't know if this was wrong or not.
Thanks very much for the advice, it's been really helpful!  Cheesy
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2012, 08:10:17 AM »

try 50% every day for the next few days
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2012, 09:35:38 AM »

Will do! Smiley Ill let you know how I get on, thanks!  Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2012, 08:42:16 AM »

Ok so I have been doing to water changes every day, about 25%- 50%. I just feel like I am getting nowhere with this cycling!  Roll Eyes
Here's some more information_ Smiley
Cycling for 15 days- 12 of the days with Carlos in! (isn't this a long time for the tank to still be in first stages of cycling?)
pH- approx. just under 7.5
Tested ammonia was yellow saying 0 until last minute when it indicated just about 0.50mg/l, still...
Nitrite- 0mg/l
Nitrates, is a little confusing, as soon as a added the solutions it was indicating 12.5mg/l straight away?
Temperature- 68 degrees F
Anyone enlighten me on what is going on? I'm a little confused as  to what to do? Carry on with the daily water changes?
Thanks!
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2012, 08:57:35 AM »

once the nitrites appear, you'll know that your're in business ,try cutting back to 50-60%  every other day, but keep a close eye on your fish.
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2012, 09:21:56 AM »

Yeah that's what I have been thinking but it's just being so slow! I leave it today then and change the water tomorrow! Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2012, 05:55:58 AM »

Ah veins in the tail, now that sounds familiar.
I had the exact same thing happen with Lucky.

How many veins are there? Are they very thin like a vein should be, or do they look blotchy? Are the veins in one particular area of the tail?
Keep an eye on it, see if the number of veins increases or if Carlos starts to show any other symptoms.

When Lucky was in the small tank, she had 3 veins appear, I kept an eye on her for around 20 days and concluded it was nothing serious. But interestingly enough since she's been in the bigger tank, they seem to have cleared up by themselves -it's pretty difficult to get a good look at her tail when she won't stay still! But it definitely looks like they aren't there.

Keep up with the water changes until the tanks settled and cycled.
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2012, 03:26:28 PM »

He has a few veins, not in clumps, individual veins?
He's acting normal, I've been keeping an eye on them, they've cleared up now a little. I just thought maybe it was down to the stresses of cycling the tank with him in? He's still his hyper self.  Smiley
Yeah I'm keeping up the water changes don't worry, this cycle seems to be going on forever!
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2012, 05:20:06 PM »

it is a marathon; Not a sprint Grin
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2012, 08:18:46 PM »

Mine always tell me when somethings wrong, they clamp their dorsal fins down. My partner seems to think I am either crazy or physcic.  Grin
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2012, 10:35:54 AM »

Yes for now I would attribute the veins to poor water quality, which cannot be helped with a cycling tank, they should clear up by themselves Smiley You'll know if it's anything more serious going on.
When you say his being his 'hyper' self... If he is still flashing, then that again is probably due to the water quality.

Cycling can take anywhere from 4 - 8 weeks, so just keep going Wink It'll get there eventually Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2012, 10:52:06 AM »

well, I'll be cycling a new 200 next week Wink
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2012, 02:31:16 PM »

Oh good someone is joining me in the cycling marathon! Wink
No Skwishee he is so much better in his new tank, he is just a very fast fish!
Yeah i'm hoping the veins will go away when the water settles and the tank is cycled? At present he isn't displaying any concerning behaviour. Just tired him with Brocolli and he loved it!  Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2012, 09:37:45 AM »

Yeah, he should be fine, as I may have already said, as long as the veins don't increase in number or look blotchy or you know any other symptom from Carlos to indicate something is wrong, they should go away by themselves.

I know Lucky had 3 veins in her tail, I'm not even sure when they healed, it's only recently I've gone to check on them and couldn't see anything XD

Lucky loves brocolli too  Smiley Have you considered giving Courgette a try? I occasionally have it in the house for meals and always cut a slice or two, to cook for Lucky  Wink
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2012, 12:37:41 PM »

Yeah thanks I will keep on eye on the veins, I always know when there's something wrong with, like we were saying it's like they tell you! Smiley
No I haven't actually I might give that a try thanks!  Wink He liked the brocolli but it was a bit messy! Also, do you know if you can give sweetcorn? I read somewhere you can but I don't trust it!  Roll Eyes
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2012, 04:25:25 AM »

Hi Cdale, interesting discovery yesterday.

It was really sunny yesterday and while I was changing the water, with the water level being low, Lucky was swimming quite casually and in the sun light, I spotted the veins. So it would appear she still has them, they just aren't as noticeable like they were before Wink

As for the sweet corn, I'm not sure Undecided I've heard it's bad for fish -although I must admit I've not looked into it at all- I've just never fed it.
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2012, 05:00:19 AM »

my fish enjoy sweetcorn once in a while Grin Grin
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2012, 05:26:55 PM »

Hi Skwishee,
It doesn't appear to be doing any harm to lucky though does it? Very strange how there's so much posted about veins in the tails being a sign or illness or stress and lucky is fine, and hopefully, fingers crossed my Carlos too. He isn't acting any different!? Strangeee!
I might try Carlos with a bit of sweetcorn at some point if you've tried it Scrivens! Smiley
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2012, 03:11:06 PM »

Yes I've been confused with Lucky, she is a very odd fish.
I have some concerns over her currently, but I don't think the veins are too do with it?
I tried looking for them today and couldn't see them, because she doesn't keep still long enough for me to have a look....

Hmmm.... Keep an eye on him anyway, hopefully it won't be anything to worry about.
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2012, 05:53:56 PM »

Yeah will do thanks! Yes, Carlos is a very strange one! He's recently had an accident and is wounded! Sad poor thing!
What's wrong is lucky? Hope she's ok?
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2012, 06:01:47 AM »

Aww sorry to hear about Carlos! I hope he gets better!

Lucky's gasping behaviour is a little out of sorts, it's possible the veins in her tail are connected.
But I'm not sure about the cause yet, seeing as this started back in October, I thought I'd wait and see how she got on in the bigger tank first as there was no real indicator at the time as to what I was dealing with. So I'm pretty sure if it was a bacterial infection or something like that, I would have known about it by now.

Beginning to suspect she may have had gill flukes all this time, but again, surely she'd be acting up more? The only way to even diagnose gill flukes properly is with a microscope though. So I'm going to try and look into things a bit more, see if I can find someone with a microscope XD

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Cdale, quick question, does Carlos gasp at the surface of the tank often?
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2012, 05:42:47 PM »

Thanks!
Oh no sorry to hear about this Schwishee! I hope you find out what is actually wrong with her! Yeah would she not be acting up more and have more indicators?
Well, I have been looking for gasping and no he doesn't really, the only time he does go to the surface, which I thought to gasp is to play with bubbles I think? He doesn't do it often and when he does he is chasing the bubbles! He's a character!  Cheesy
Also, yes I didn't think it would take so long for more symptoms to show on Lucky? It's difficult when you don't know what it is  Huh
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2012, 03:24:39 PM »

I asked about the gasping, because I've actually gotten to the bottom of things.

I believe Lucky has ammonia poisoning, hence the gasping all this time and I wouldn't be surprised if the veins in her tail would be related either Undecided I could kick myself for thinking it was my test giving off readings. I had my water tested at the LFS at the beginning of all this -October last year- to double check against my testing and they said ammonia was 0ppm, so I thought my test was being off -having had the tank set up for around a month at that point, with nitrates showing, I believed it to be cycled-. But now I'm beginning to think maybe it was their test that was being off and not mine.
So this entire time I didn't think the water quality was to blame, which would explain why I couldn't figure out what bacteria or parasite I was dealing with >.<

I am in great suspect of the tap water for ammonia to have been present this ENTIRE time, will test it tomorrow morning.
So I'm now cutting down on food to reduce the amount of her waste, will have to up the water changes again and see how things go.....

Well either way, it's good to hear Carlos' isn't gasping! Lucky does it quite frequently and I thought originally it was just the small tank causing issues that she was in before...... I only hope she'll get better and there's no lasting damage. How on earth she's survived my n00b care I have absolutely no idea.

How's the ammonia looking in your tank? I imagine Carlos will be absolutley fine, so please do not feel worried by what I've had happen, you have caught this much earlier than myself Wink I am sure once the tank is fully cycled, that Carlos will be absolutley fine Smiley
If there is still ammonia you could possibly cut down on his feeding too?
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2012, 07:41:30 PM »

Oh no I am sorry to hear this!
Will this resolve over time then? I do very frequent water changes, gone to every other day because I still have ammonia present, only a little which seems from my test today that is slowly going down, eventually! He still has the veins but I know the ammonia will be a problem till the tank is cycled I suppose so its something I have to deal with by sticking to the regular water changes and cleans of the gravel and ornaments.
Yeah since he moved tanks I haven't fed him as much knowing it contributes to the ammonia, I feed him a varied diet so one day ill feed him a few peas which don't leave mess, another day blood worms, flakes and I have some pellets etc which also don't leave mess so im hoping these don't pollute the tank so much?
Lucky is one lucky trooper, I hope she gets better, once you do a few water changes and the ammonia lowers she should perk up a bit!
That is shocking what happened with the tests though, it shouldn't be wrong after all this time too! :/
Also, I've had a break through (little of topic) but thought I would tell you cos I got excited, I have managed to tame Carlos and he now feeds out of my hand! Smiley This is from the fish that never used to even come to my face at the tank! :O Awwh! He follows my hand around the tank when I clean it, so also can be slightly annoying sometimes!  Grin
Does Lucky do this?
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2012, 08:21:15 AM »

Well once I've figured out if the tap water is the culprit -currently in the process of doing that- then I'll know where to go from there.

Hopefully it will resolve itself, I'm not sure about any long last damage, but I personally thought if anything, it would have lowered her immune system and she would have gotten sick with something, as this is usually what happens with poor water quality. Well I suppose no other fish is quite like my little Lucky! She is a tough old boot!

A varied diet sounds good. I fed daphnia to Lucky once and when it came to gravel cleaning, my word, there were bit's of it everywhere XD So in case you are worried somethings not been eaten just give the gravel a quick hoover Smiley

Awww its so lovely to hear that about Carlos!
I was super excited when I finally got Lucky to eat from my hands, now she nibbles my fingers whenever their in the tank, even if I'm cleaning or filling a test tube for water testing, she always checks my fingers or any other hand that goes in the tank for food XD

She also nibbles my arm from time to time if it's in the water and always swims in the same spot when I'm hoovering the gravel, which is a pain when I get to that area, because I give her a gentle nudge to move her out of the way and she just swims back to the same spot XD
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2012, 02:32:59 PM »

She sounds just like Carlos, now he has figured I feed him out of my hand he is always nibbling me and like you said, I get the same with the test tubes when I dip them in for water he pecks! Theyre so cute arent they! Smiley

Lucky is definately one lucky fish, lives up to her name! Smiley Bless her! Yeah if she hasn't got anything I'm sure she'll be fine! Smiley Just keep an eye on her. I think when you know more about fishy illnesses though it makes you more paranoid! Don't know about you but I'm a hypocondreact (or however you spell it?!) for my fish ha!  Grin Sometimes not a good thing though I'm always looking out for things!

Yeah thats a good thing about hoovering the gravel after a messy meal, when I fed Carlos the brocolli it was everywhere too, hoovered loads up!
Sounds silly but I didn't know the water out of the tap could be the culprit! Thats scary when you think about it!  Undecided
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2012, 04:57:54 AM »

Oh yes, I was a fish hypochondriac too, when I first spotted the veins, you should have seen the illnesses I thought Lucky had Roll Eyes

Well I found that the tap water does have a trace of ammonia, but the Stress Coat should be dealing with that, so it is probably a case of letting the tank cycle, evidently it's not done yet.
The previous water conditioner I had, didn't however deal with the ammonia, so it is possible, that there was always a trace of the stuff, because when ever I changed the water, I'd be adding some in. Or it was just a case of the tank being too small for the fish I had in there, that the water quality was never perfect. It's hard to know really Undecided

Do you have a sea weed clip cdale? I use that to feed Lucky brocolli, so she can just nibble bits off herself and I rarely have it going everywhere in the tank. I have one like this, that I got at my LFS quite cheap;

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Just clip on the brocolli and stick it in the tank  Cheesy
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Re: Ammonia spike! advice..?
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2012, 05:48:34 AM »

Oh right I never knew that tap water could have ammonia in!
Yeah cycling is such a long process, mines nearly 4 weeks and still not even nearly there!  Roll Eyes But im sticking at it, worth it in the end! Smiley
Thanks for the picture Schwishee but yeah I have one of those! Smiley the first time I gave him brocolli though I didn't so that must be why he went everywhere!  Grin
Now youve said that I am going to be checking out my water condition now!
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