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salty-J
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Angeline is sick, but with what?
« on: January 13, 2011, 01:13:03 PM »

First off a few months back I found her with black spots, rotting away, hiding behind the tank decor. Medi-tank with Melafix saved her life but her left eye is flattened and distorted, giving her that sad look. Also her tail is pretty messed up on the left side as well. The first picture is of her "good side", then the second two are her bad side, hopefully the tail (rot?) is visable. The last picture is what she has been up to for the last few hours, rarely swimming around. Everyone else seems healthy in the tank, the nitrates are testing high @ 160 on the test stick, and I'm going to do another water change and have tried adding some live plants to try and bring down the nitrate levels, but does any one have any thoughts on the nature of Angeline's malady?
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Mindemae
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 01:26:16 PM »

#1 Angeline is a male fish
#2 Nitrates at that level are poisoness
#3 You better get the nitrates down asap and do water changes AND gravel vacuuming every day or every otherday until the nitrates come down to at least 30-40ppm.
You can get a Nitrate absorbing packet at petsmart made by aPI and add it right to your filter.
Nitrates do not become this high overnight but rise slowly over a a period of time.  Your aquarium maintance schedule must be given a close look at.
Is your tank overcrowded?
How often do you do water/gravel vac changes?
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Nossie
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 03:32:09 PM »

How big is the tank and how many fish do you have in it?

Your fish doesn't have fin rot, but it's very common for fish to get ripped fins when the water quality is bad. Which it is, due to the high nitrates. Instead of buying nitrate absorbing products, I'd go to the bottom of the problem, which could be one of the following:
- Too many fish in too small tank
- Too small filter
- Inadequate maintenance
- Overfeeding
...or a combination of them all.

If I were you, I'd try to repair the issues with the water first, as in, doing a huge water change of 75% with thorough gravel cleaning, and start feeding the fish with some medicated anti-bacterial food. Feed that, and only that for 7-10 days or more if needed. As soon as the water is alright again, the fish should get better too Smiley
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 05:43:01 PM »

I agree with both, Minde and Nossie.
You MUST get your water chemistry into a ship shape.
In your case I recommend to do both ASAp, get the Nitrate absorber AND frequent waterchanges, gravel vacum and keep away from test sticks as they are MOST INACCURATE.

We all use the liquid tests ( API MasterTestKit for freshwater: Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, pH )

And Angeline is Angelo or Angelino  Wink Please notice the breeding tubercules on his gill covers... I also can see some on your orange fish in the first pic. Wink
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April
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 06:10:21 PM »

The girls have covered it all above please take care of these beauties of yours immediately to avoid further illness. You have some stunning ryukins it would be a shame to lose them.
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Andrea
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 08:36:03 PM »

Everyone has already covered the most important things so please listen to them in order to save your fish. He is beautiful but looks very very sick in the last photo. I've learnt that nitrates at 40ppm are even dangerous so anything higher than that is definitely deadly especially at 160!!! I'm surprised they are still alive  Undecided

Good luck, alot of action is needed to save them.
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salty-J
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 01:46:21 AM »

well, I cleaned the tank and did @ 2/3 or so water change, some salt, everyone is looking like they are enjoying their freshly cleaned environment. Even "Angeline"  Roll Eyes is a lot more active and is swimming all over the place. I am using the test sticks so the 160 may have been lower in reality...I will check it right now. Testing 40, or in the high "safe" zone, so that's good for whatever it's worth!  Grin   Here are some quick snap shots. It's a 60 gallon tank with 8 fish altogether, so they should be ok for a while yet, I think I put off the cleaning too long, and the nitrates got out of hand. Still don't know what Angeline had in the first place, I hope she, I mean he, will be ok, I read fins are supposed to grow back, but I don't know about eyeballs.  Embarrassed
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 02:07:49 AM »

You have a lovely collection of goldfish Smiley
Remember to do regular water changes, because often that is why problems like this occur Wink
I usually change 20 - 30% of the water weekly, which works well for my tank. But you need to figure out what amount works for yours.
I hope Angeline feels better soon!
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 03:38:32 AM »

salty-J: Long time no hear. Wink
Just follow their golden advice and your beautiful fish will be okay. Smiley
What I do now is change 40-50% of the water twice a week since my goldfish are bigger. Also, I don't have heavily planted tanks. Sad
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 05:07:45 AM »

Your tank is beautiful and your fish are lovely!! Smiley
Please take care of them from now on in regular weekly water changes and regular testing too!
As far as the eye, I'm afraid it is permantly damaged and will stay that way for the rest of his life. Sad
Also, too, remember that your tank is a bit overcrowded so you will need to keep on top of things and make sure your water parameters stay in pristine condtions for your fish to live happy healthy lives. Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 05:52:22 AM »

As Minde said your tank is a bit over crowded so you will have to keep a very close eye on water quality! You may have to do bigger water changes more often. I still believe nitrates are too high at 40, no matter what the test kit says  Wink So maybe you could do another big water change in the next few days to get them lower? With 8 goldfish in a 60 gallon tank this may be hard but worth it for your fishies lives Smiley
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 06:03:51 AM »

Earlier it was believed that goldfish could survive nitrates until they were about 400 ppm. Which they do, but already at 40 it has a severe impact on their immune system, and that is why it's important to keep the nitrates low with water changes Smiley 40-50% a week should do the trick.

You have a gorgeous collection of fish Smiley Do take care of them Wink
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2011, 06:11:27 AM »

Ugh I couldn't imagine that Nossie. It would seem like torture Sad I've seen the difference of how Sunshine and Clementine both act compated to nitrates at 20 to 40. It would be horrible to see them in anything higher!
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2011, 06:14:39 AM »

So do I! Last time I was gone, my little Samantha got fungus and lots of little wounds allover her Sad Tested the water, and the nitrates were 50! Guess who moved her to the hospital orb ASAP and did a huge water change!! :O

She recovered really quickly though Smiley The wounds were gone the next day, and the fungus disappeared within 6 days Smiley
(The last nights I've had nightmares about my fish getting fungus xD)
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2011, 06:21:48 AM »

Aw when did that happen Nossie? Glad she got better Smiley
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 06:22:36 AM »

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Nossie
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Re: Angeline is sick, but with what?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 06:26:12 AM »

Andrea: I moved her back in the beginning of this week, so it was almost two weeks ago now Smiley
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