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Max B.
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Any ideas how to plant elodea
« on: October 14, 2010, 09:37:37 AM »

I have recently purchased a few elodea plants and since then I am struggling to keep them rooted at the bottom. I have a pea-sized gravel, no big pebbles. Any ideas how to keep it there as the gravel does not help. In addition my goldie just destroys these plants by trying to feed on them. :-(
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2010, 02:56:39 PM »

Elodea are plants that WILL be eaten by your goldfish, no matter what you try d: They seem to be really tasty Smiley
But if you want to keep them, you'll have to exchange them form time to time, meaning that it'll get expensive in the long run unless you'll have a few plants separately in a small tank/container to grow them yourself.
For weighing them down you could buy some small metal weights from a hardware store or simply tie the plants to some driftwood or rock work with fishing line Smiley

I would suggest some other plants for your tank though, look for some Anubias and Java Fern! These are very strong plants that won't be bothered by your fish at all! The goldfish don't like the taste of them, and the Anubias have really thick and waxy leaves, very beautiful plants Smiley Here are some pics, just in case:

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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2010, 03:36:19 PM »

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I would suggest some other plants for your tank though, look for some Anubias and Java Fern! These are very strong plants that won't be bothered by your fish at all! The goldfish don't like the taste of them, and the Anubias have really thick and waxy leaves, very beautiful plants Smiley Here are some pics, just in case:

Actually I do recall you mentioning these plants in another post. So I'll try them as well very soon (as my goldie is gluttonous) and it will take no time to bring some new ones. As for the metal hardware - is it safe for fish to put into the tank?
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2010, 03:44:38 PM »

Lots of people use it, me included Smiley But the plants I bought (I'm really sorry, I can't remember their names... I'd recommend them to you otherwise!!) already had some small metal rings around the lower parts of the stems so they were really easy to plant Smiley
You could always ask in the shop in case there would be any chemicals coming off the metals, if you know what I mean. But remember to always rinse whatever you'll put into the tank in running water or a bucket of tank water, just to be safe Wink
Hanna should have some more advice probably! She bought her weights herself, so she probably knows more about it Smiley
(She is in general much more knowledgable than me when it comes to plants xD)
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2010, 04:47:30 PM »

Thank you for reply, I will be looking forward to reading what Hanna has (if she has) to say on this issue.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 03:48:55 AM »

I brought some of this plastic hooks from the fish shop so you could see if you can get them. If you live in NSW, Australia by any chance you can get them from strictly aquariums which is a chain fish shop where I got them from. They just big into the gravel that bit more while holding onto the plant.

I had the floating plants problem too but these have been a great help. But there is some plants which you just can't stop your fish from eating and digging up such as one of my plants which was destroyed in a matter of days by one comet!
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 04:31:57 AM »

Hi guys,

haven't posted much lately, as I had the biggest fright in my fishlife a few days ago... just saved Barbarossa.

Yes, I wouldn't go for fishing line in a goldie tank as they just explore everything, I'd be scared they choke on it.

The little metal rings are lead rings, but not heavy enough to keep the plants down.
I bought the heavy spoon-lead sinkers from the fishing store and attached them to the plants, also you need quite deep gravel to hide and cover them. No chance to be uprooted.
Our goldies used to nibble on the Elodea all the time untill I got them their V.I.A.G.R.A.  Grin These are small green Spirulina pellets, about half pea size. They go crazy after them and start playing with each other while munching them, LOL
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 06:24:37 AM »

Ok, I see, next time I'm in a fishing store I'll check for the things you have mentioned.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 06:38:35 AM »

No worries Max, anyway, I should have said it first: WELCOME to the forum.

Can you post some pics? And how do you call your goldie ?
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 03:16:41 AM »

Fishing line is perfectly safe in a tank! As long as you tie it tightly around the driftwood/rock work. It's a little technique that's rather popular in my books and around other forums Smiley
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 03:19:42 AM »

I also used rubber elastic bands to keep them together to add to those metal rings.

Hanna, I dunno if you have said this anywhere else (ignore it if you have) but what happened to Barbarossa??
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 03:21:52 AM »

Andrea: I found the story in the photo section on her Barbarossa-thread Smiley
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2010, 07:53:40 PM »

Rubber band is good too, they use it here in the pet stores. I prefer the lead sinkers burried in the gravel, lol.

Yes, thanks Nossie, posted under Barbarossas's thread.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2010, 05:50:54 PM »

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No worries Max, anyway, I should have said it first: WELCOME to the forum.

Can you post some pics? And how do you call your goldie ?
Hanna, I'll do pics later, as for the name of the goldie - I kept it simple - it's a common goldfish - Karas' (the accent falling on the second syllable).
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 05:59:44 PM »

Today I finally reached a fishing department in a CanadianTire store and bought a thin fishing line to tie the plants to an "unknown-to-me-piece-of-fishing-hardware-of-oval-shape-with-two-holes-on-both-sides". I did a bit of gravel cleaning, a thorough plant review and planted it back. I do recall buying two big bushes of Elodea, now I am having just only one big and one small. With this speed in a couple of weeks I'll have to buy the other plants mentioned here. :-) My Karas' is really demonic to this Elodea - it feeds the whole day on the poor plant.

Actually what I want to say I bought this Elodea to fight the green water (algae apparently) and I must admit it did work indeed (with some other tricks as well). But I have noticed that there are a lot of debris remaining after these plants. I wonder if my filter does a proper job in my fishtank.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2010, 06:11:12 PM »

 Grin Lol, Max, this sounds like a sinker to me  Grin
Karas is a cute name, is he a he or a she? I think I mentioned it before, ours ate the Elodea in no time too, until I bought veggie pellets too to feed. I also feed fresh veggies and fruit and they leave the Elodea allone, now it grows and grows, some oieces are about 70cm long, and hopefully they will function soon like a spawning mop  Cheesy
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2010, 06:11:46 PM »

What kind of filter do you have?
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2010, 04:17:24 AM »

Hanna already mentioned the vegetable supplement Wink I've bought some dried seaweed that I use to feed my fish at least once a week, and I havent' seen them nibbling the plants other that some algae that was growing on the leaves! So you could try getting something like that! Or planting some lettuce in the substrate for your fish to eat Smiley You should remove the lettuce after at most 24 hours though.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2010, 10:34:42 AM »

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What kind of filter do you have?

It's a Cascade 300 Submersible filter. As fas as I understand, it has the power for 75 G/h, which to my mind is a bit less than recommended. I know already that the filter should be of 10 times more that the tank it is supposed to be in.


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Grin Lol, Max, this sounds like a sinker to me  Grin
Karas is a cute name, is he a he or a she?

Actually, I am not knowledgeable about deciding the gender of the fish yet. :-) To me it looks like a male. By the way how one can figure what's the gender. There should be something about fins...
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2010, 11:46:09 AM »

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Hanna already mentioned the vegetable supplement Wink I've bought some dried seaweed that I use to feed my fish at least once a week, and I havent' seen them nibbling the plants other that some algae that was growing on the leaves! So you could try getting something like that! Or planting some lettuce in the substrate for your fish to eat Smiley You should remove the lettuce after at most 24 hours though.

I'll have a look at the dried seaweed as a veggie supplement but with lettuce ... it sounds too fussy to me as I'm trying to get my hands into the water as rarely as possible. :-)
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2010, 01:33:08 PM »

You can also buy a clip with a suction cup and attach it on the wall of the tank with lettuce in it, it's all about being creative Wink
I've been looking allover the place for something like that, but I just can't seem to find it! D:

And about goldfishes' genders, you can see it on a goldfish easiest while it's in spawning mood Wink The males will develop small white pimples on their gill covers and front ray of the pectoral fins Smiley While the female will stay completely smooth and instead fill up with eggs and get rounder by the back of her belly Smiley
You can also see it when looking at the shape of their vents, males have a konvex and oval vent while females have it rounder and slightly protruding Smiley
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2010, 11:00:41 PM »

I have elodea planted successfully in my 30 gallon tank and the goldfish seem to nibble at it but it grows pretty fast.
And I like to keep it in the aquariums because I go on vacation now and then for a weekend.  It is a sure thing that when fish get hungry they will have at least that to eat! Wink
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2010, 01:22:23 PM »

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I have elodea planted successfully in my 30 gallon tank and the goldfish seem to nibble at it but it grows pretty fast.
And I like to keep it in the aquariums because I go on vacation now and then for a weekend.  It is a sure thing that when fish get hungry they will have at least that to eat! Wink

Well, that's a smart way of making sure the fish would not starve to death by not having anything to nibble at. I'll try to preserve my Elodea, but I'll definitely add a few more plants like anubias and java fern as recommended here.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2010, 01:26:36 PM »

As for the gender, Karas is my only common goldfish so I have to go to a shop for observation.
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2010, 01:35:02 PM »

Oh yeah, for sure have more than one kind of plant in the aquarium so it will look nicer than just chewed elodea  Cheesy
If you look at your fish with a magnifyer at an angle you might see the breeding tubercules even if it's not breeding season.  If the gill plate observed at the angle is smooth then it is a female.  Most females will have a bit rounder body shape even if they are a slim bodied fish, because of carrying all those eggs. Smiley
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2010, 04:49:59 PM »

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As for the gender, Karas is my only common goldfish so I have to go to a shop for observation.


Max, here is another link to a thread on this forum.
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I was right with my observations, Humphrey and Skippy ARE boys, the have breeding stars now  Grin and Hepsiba, Matilda and Sunshine ARE girls Grin
Some pics may help, lol
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2010, 10:00:41 AM »

Ok, thank you, I'll check the link you've provided.  Smiley
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2010, 10:16:08 AM »

By the way, here I go with video introduction to my goldie - ladies & gentlemen - Karas:

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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2010, 10:25:35 AM »

Aww, Karas is beautiful! Smiley
So healthy looking!  What beautiful fins your comet has!
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Re: Any ideas how to plant elodea
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2010, 01:30:29 PM »

Really lovely! And a very interesting name! Smiley
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