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Kate
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How to help my sick and dying fish
« on: February 19, 2010, 03:38:02 PM »

Hello,
My  3 goldfish developed deadly ick overnight and I am using Maracyn to treat the two sick but living ones.  One died today and I am not sure if i should leave the treated water for 24 hours so  it can do its job or change the water tonight and add salt.  I am increasing the temp gradually, too.  It was awful to see the fish that died this morning.  Its gills were red and swollen and the ick was everywhere.  i blame myself for not noticing and acting yesterday.  Also...should I dispose of my live plants since the ick egg things can stick there?

please help!

Kate
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Mindemae
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2010, 04:24:27 PM »

Ich or white spot disease is the most common affliction that a goldfish can get.  It is easy to treat and diagnose.
Ususally the fish appears to have been sprinkled with salt, which will start in a small area or two and rapidly spread all over the fish's body.  If treated early it is easy to cure.  If allowed to progress, it can be fatal.

For treatment in the early stages, heat and salt will usually prevent the spread of this parasite, so raise the temp of the water to 85 degrees F. and increase aeration and check water chemistry and correct it! The thing with ich is that it seldoms attacks healthy fish but will do so if the fish has been weakened somehow by some environmental condition.
ADDING 1 tsp. of aquarium salt per gallon of water will help get rid of the ich parasite.  Treat the whole tank whether the rest are showing any signs of ich yet!  You can also, in severe cases, treat with medications.  The salt will not interfere with the meds., however, the medications may kill off the good bacteria colonies in your tank!

After treating, clean your tank and clean or replace the gravel, throughly and start with fresh filter media! 
As for the plants, I would throw them out too and start with fresh after you are done with treatment.
Good luck! Smiley
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Kate
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2010, 06:07:26 PM »

Thank you!
We change the water weekly and feed them pellet food and shrimp.  Two of the fish have had swim bladder problems that I successfully treated for months with short fasts and peas, but I then had to give one fish away a month ago  because the swim bladder problems returned so severely.  Then the tank got so cloudy we couldn't see the back of it and no matter what we did.  Last week the tank cleared suddenly and everything seemed good FINALLY.  9 days later all the fish are dead or severely sick with ick.  I have had goldfish throughout my life and haven't screwed up this badly ever.  We really do everything the web and the reputable fish store people tell us, but i don't know.  The water test have shown a low PH of 5.5-6 and some high ammonia levels on occasion, but we use Aqua plus and Ammo-lock with every water change.  The tank is 20 gallons and there were, until yesterday, three 3" goldfish in the tank.

Here's what I plan to do...Permanently remove plants and ornamental rocks, slowly raise temp to 85 degrees, add a teaspoon of salt a day and the maracyn every other day. My only questions are when I should vacuum, and what are your thoughts on what may have compomised these animals to get them so repeatedly sick in the first place.

Thank you so very much.

kate  
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 08:14:15 PM »

First of all cloudy water isn't normal!  Something was wrong chemically with with your water.  Did you do any tests?
Second let's talk about PH.....yours is way too low to keep goldfish! A PH of 6.8 to 7.6 is ideal for goldfish keeping but they can live in water with a PH as high as 8.0 very easily.  Moderately hard water is beneficial to goldfish, although they can live in very soft to very hard water just as well.
Goldfish are very susceptable to ammonia poisoning.  Even a trace of ammonia can burn the gills, body, and fins as well as destroy the kidneys and circulatory system.  This will weaken the fish and make them more susceptable to illnesses such as ich.
If you keep adding ammonia block to every water change then you are not letting your tank cycle like it should.
You should be adding 20 tsps of salt to your tank right away, since you have a 20 gallon tank, to treat the ich.
Also, 20 gallons is the size for two, 3 inch fish to live comfortably...any more than that you need more filtration to keep the water quality where it should be.
Lastly, you should use the medication for ich like the package says or it won't be effective.
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 04:12:09 PM »

Are you doing anything to try to raise your pH from these levels? It's very, very harmful to your fish if you allow it to be this low. Any lower, and they will be getting burns from the acidic water. Get a pH buffer right away, and follow the instructions on the bottle. Try to raise the levels as fast as possible, but not too fast, as it might stress your fish and make it worse. I think your water quality might just be the thing that exposed your fish to this disease in the first place. A fish is always struggling with more or less harmful bacteria, but they won't be affected unless their immune system is weakened from factors such as faulty water parameters, stress, crowded tank, or a diet with insufficient nutrition for example.

To help your fish recover faster, you should try to get the water quality as close to ideal conditions as possible, test it, and repair if necessary.
It would also be easier to keep the salt solution constant if you'd do a pretty big water change before starting the treatment. About a 50% water change should do it, then add the salt and keep an eye on your water parameters! Observing your fishes' recovery is half the battle (:
When finally adding the medicine, ALWAYS follow the directions on the bottle! A bigger amount than recommended would do more harm than good, and too little dose would not be effective.
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 05:05:18 AM »

can any one help my gold fish has brown patches on him and seems poorly?Huh?
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 06:48:32 AM »

Ammonia burns? A bigger water change should do the trick C: And maybe a dose of salt of one teaspoon per 5 gallons. But remove the live plants if you have any before treating with salt!

But then it also depends a lot on your tank and its conditions, if you want to avoid too high ammonia levels in future you should consider whether you have sufficient space and filtration for your fish. And if your tank has cycled long enough before you added the fish. The ammonia should be gone once the beneficial bacteria in the filter are established. This could be speeded up by "borrowing" bacteria from an already cycled tank, or by adding a bio-filter booster. I would recommend the booster in this case d:
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 03:02:26 PM »

thank you so much for the information about my fish re; brown patches ive changed the water and hope fully this will help keep you posted lol
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 03:30:15 PM »

Yeah, but to make sure you should buy an ammonia test and see if this is really the case. Keep a good eye on your fish, if it's acting differently, being less active, eating less... anything! It might be some bacterial infection as well.
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 04:08:05 PM »

I have ten goldfish that are 1 to 2 yrs old.  I brought live tank plants from walmart 2 weeks ago.  The last couple of days they are all staying at the bottom and look like the have a film on them.  Several of their bellies have turned red and their top fins are lying flat on the backs.  Any help?
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 09:17:19 AM »

If their bellies are red they are suffering from a SEVERE internal infection. The condition is most probably terminal, but you could try treating them with some medicated food, normal medicines or possibly injections.
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Hanna
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2010, 07:04:45 PM »

We bought our little goldfish last week, since yesterday I realised some scales missing. Bacterial infection???
I did change 30%of the tank water, cleaned the glass and filter, cleaned the plants and added Vitapet Multicure (Malachit Green).
Can anybody give us some ideas what coan cause loss of scales?

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Hanna
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 03:26:03 AM »

The lost scales could have fallen off during transport or handling of the fish, or simply by trauma. As in: Another fish at the petshop tore them off.

Unless your fish shows discomfort in any other way, you don't have to worry, the scales will grow back.
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Hanna
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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 05:01:42 PM »

THANK YOU Nossie,

this is a big relief, my husband and I got really worried about this as we never had goldfish before. We also bought a bigger tank and we will move Humphrey and Hepsiba tonight, after water,etc is settled.

No, they do not show any other discomfort, they swim arround, up and down, and chase each other. And they want to eat ALL the time, but we feed them once a day only. Fins look very healthy.

I also hope that KATE's goldfish are getting better. There is  many information on the net. You can google "The Goldfish Sanctuary"there is a lot to read  about our goldfish health. Good luck, Kate!

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Re: How to help my sick and dying fish
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2010, 11:08:02 AM »

Great (: Remember to leave the light off for a couple of hours after they move to their new tank. It's very stressful for fish to move to a new home! (It would be good if you'd move them in the evening and leave the light off for night and then feed them in the morning.)
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