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Sweetie
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Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« on: March 13, 2012, 06:07:03 AM »

Hi everyone, newbies and experts...  Smiley Smiley Smiley
I am a newbie in owning fishes and
I recently got myself a 20 Litres aquariam
fish tank with water filter installed and with gravel below,
I need help from fish expert owners
to tell me what's going on or what more to do to improve things.
Well first of all I was just wondering why does my four fishes like to swim less, they prefer to sit at the bottom of the tank, are they just being lazy or unwell?  Sad
but when I put my net down to see if they are alive than they started swimming frantically to and fro,
when I took the net out they settle down below the tank to sit there while their gills are constantly moving.
Anyways, I just would like to know because I love them so much and wants to give them the best life possible... please tell me what's going on with them.
 I have my email on my profile too if anyone wants to give me a tutorial to upgrade or improve my aquariam for the better LOL   Grin hoping to make friends and networking here as well as learn how to make my fish tank into an ecosystem too. I also am thinking of putting live plants there rather than the plastic ones,
I want them to be happy Smiley  Cool also another thought of adding a water snail like creature to help eat algae and I heard they make one of the good cleaners am I right??
PS: One of my four fishes is pregnant especially the creamy zebra stripped fish, it has a big belly unlike the other blue and silver zebra fish which belly is reasonably flat... hmmm what to do???
Another tank to breed than give away to pet shops???
Can't afford too many, and want all to live and thrive well. ohhhh!!
Now anticipating on hearing some feedbacks...... Kiss thanks  Cheesy
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Skwishee
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 08:12:58 AM »

Hi sweetie and welcome to the forum Smiley

First may I ask what fish you have? You don't really state other than mentioning a zebra stripped fish?
The first fish that comes to mind with your description are Zebra Danio's-

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So if you could let us know what fish you are currently keeping, that would be really helpful.
Also what filtration do you have and how strong is it? I.e. how many litres an hour does it provide?

With regards to the bottom sitting, this is generally a bad sign and indicates something is wrong.
The first thing, I believe could be the issue here, is the water quality, now without knowing what fish and filter you have in that 20 litre tank, I cannot comment on whether it is over stocked, or under filtered.
Did you cycle the tank before adding the fish? When fish are added to a un-cycled tank, this can often cause problems.
If you don't know what cycling a tank means, then please say and myself or one of the other members can explain it you.

So what I suggest is to test your water, you can either buy a test kit to keep at home and do this (I would suggest a liquid test as these last longer than dip tests) or you can take a sample of water to a local fish shop and they will often test the water free for you. The parameters you will want results for are Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and PH.
With these results, we can then gain more an understanding as to what's going on in the tank  Smiley

Do not get a snail or any other inhabitants for the tank, until you've sorted out what's going on with the fish first.

As for the fish being pregnant, I cannot comment on this, without knowing what type of fish they are.

Good luck and let us know how you get on  Smiley
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 12:40:55 PM »

I'm going to assume you mean Zebrafish, commonly sold under the trade-name Zebra Danio. This are schooling fish they need to be kept in groups of six (6,12,18 etc). Also 20 liters is too small of a tank- 40 liters is the minimum to keep 6 Zebrafish. A betta fish is the only fish that can thrive in such a small tank- most the little tiny tropicals need a schoal which means they need a larger tank.
I agree that bottom-sitting is a bad sign. As for their gills constantly moving, these fish breathe very rapidly so don't worry about that. What you need to do right now is change 50% of the water and get your water tested, as Skwishee said.
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 04:51:17 AM »

@Skwishee thank you for giving me a wake-up call about the water quality to condsider,
yes my beginning course at this drama is so daunting, I feel like a failure   Embarrassed but I feel so comforted to know people who cares enough to comment and help.
Yes, I have went back to the pet store and bought a water purifier where you add
some blue like dry stuff into the tank and it eliminates harmful substances in the water,
yes I had washed my cartridge inside the filter, even bought two long live plants.
Now my fishes are thriving... very happy and energetic indeed.
And @cheri_alexander thanks for also adding your comment, well I don't have much zebra fishes only have two in there so you don't have to worry about the amount of space, they have plenty of room.
@Skishwee, as you have asked how many and what types of fishes I have which is four;
two zebra danio (exactly how you descriped) one is blue colour with silver stripes while the other is creamy colour with silver stripes, then I got a white coloured fantail with an orange coloured centre spot on its head sort of like a very cute splodge.
Than I have a tiny little fish creamy colour smaller than the zebra danio fishes I don't know what that little one is called.
Yes they loved the plants and are happy and swimming together and chasing each other's tails.
Now since my water condition is fine, shall I go for water snails? two or three is enough?
Hmmm hoping to soon... Grin Grin Grin Grin
Yes so your right it's all about the water condition.
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Sweetie
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 05:07:41 AM »

 ???Ohhh yeah I forgot how to call the white solid water purifier stone
made in the shape of a goldfish,
I put inside my aquarium and it sanked to the bottom,
it's also good for the water too yeah?
I bought that one it is told to last a few weeks,
than I will have to buy again.
If what I am doing is not good enough please let me know... thank you and much appreciated. Cool
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 05:30:58 AM »

You have a goldfish in the tank?
Okay, put simply you need a bigger tank.

Fancy goldfish can grow very large, usually around 6 - 8 inches, for stocking one fantail it needs at least 20 gallons/80 litres (the actual stocking rule is 20 gallons/80 litres for the first fish and 10 gallons/40 litres for each additional fish).
The reason for this, is because goldfish produce a large amount of waste and as such, if kept in tanks that are too small and not properly filtered, they are pretty much living in their own toilet. This is why it is important to carry out regular water changes -at least 50% a week- and in addition to this to clean the gravel with a gravel vacuum.

With filtration the filter needs to be 10x the tank size, so in a 40 litre tank, you need a filter that can do 400 litres per hour.

Also in some cases, when goldfish have grown, there is the risk that they will eat smaller fish in the tanks. So there is a chance that later on any small fish you have in the tank with the goldfish, it may eat it.

So I would advise, looking into a larger tank, you cannot keep that goldfish in a 20 litre tank, it will out grow it.
Believe me I had a goldfish in a 21 litre tank, in fact I originally had two and lost one because of the water quality. I then got a bigger tank as soon as I could for my remaining goldfish where she is now doing much better than she ever was in the tiny 21 litre tank I had her in originally as that tank caused my fish to not only have her growth affected (when kept in small aquaria for too long some fish can become stunted, which leads to ill health and in some cases shortens their life span) but she also had ammonia poisoning, because it was too small and the water quality -despite my best efforts- was difficult to maintain.
She now lives happily in a 3 foot/90 litre tank Smiley

So I completely understand the situation you are in, have a look around for larger tanks, you will want one that is at least 80 litres, but to be honest, the bigger the tank you can get, the better. As water quality is more stable in larger tanks.

If you wanted, you could go for something like a 120 litre, where you could happily house 2 or 3 fantail goldfish.
The water would be pretty stable once the tank had cycled and you would need filtration that could do around 1200 L/H, so an external filter would be good as it would provide lots of media for the bacteria to grow on.
Maintenance as already mentioned would be 50% water changes each week and vacuuming the gravel  Smiley

There are lots of options with tanks, such as buying second hand, which can often work out a lot cheaper than buying brand new. Or you can look around for containers, like rubbermaid's and using these as a temporary set up, while you find something (although be careful as you fill them for the first time as they may bow slightly from the pressure, this can be helped with a wooden support around the tub).

I'm not even sure what you mean by a purifier stone, I personally use Stress Coat which is a water conditioner and I use it to treat any water before adding it to the tank during my water changes.

Have you been using a water conditioner to remove chlorine from the tap water?

I personally don't trust products that say they can 'clean' the water or keep it clean for a long period of time. I would rather do a water change and know I've gotten rid of some pollutants rather than adding chemicals to the water.
But that's just my opinion with regards to that.

I know this must all be a lot to take in XD If there is anything at all you don't understand or are un-sure on, then please just say and I will happily explain  Smiley
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 06:57:24 AM »

Wow your so wonderful in detailed explanation, your must be one of the experts at this.
Thank you so much on theses details yes I will think of getting a bigger tank.
 Yes, of course I will also buy a vacuum pump ASAP to clean the gravel as you have mentioned.
Learning here is of great help, especially you have took time to explain so thoroughly, I really appreciate this.  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 06:58:33 AM »

@Skwishee looks like your so passionate about fishes your here to inform others to protect them well...
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 05:38:34 PM »

Oh gosh, I wouldn't consider myself an expert in anyway, but thank you  Smiley

Good luck with finding a bigger tank, oh one option you could try, is looking for an Aquarist Society in your area, basically like a fish club, people there can often have spare tanks and may be able to give you one for free or at least give you one for a reasonable price. If you are based in the UK I know of a few Aquarist Societies around, or could at least help you to find one near your local area (I'm sure some members on one of the other forums I belong to, would know of some).

So remember in summary, a large tank (80 litres for the first fish, 40 litres for each additional fish) with lots of filtration (10x the aquarium size), good water quality maintained with adequate water changes/cleaning and a varied diet Smiley

There is a thread on feeding vegetables to goldfish, that may interest you, so be sure to check out some of the threads in the general discussion area  Smiley

Were you able to get your water tested? Cleaning the gravel will help loads with the water quality too, you would be surprised with how much gunk can build up sometimes! I have one goldfish and I'm amazed how much dirt I dig up when cleaning the gravel, I have no idea how one fish can make so much mess!

Also just to check, apart from the water purifier, have you been using a tap water conditioner and doing regular water changes?
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 05:43:08 PM »

As I said- the Zebrafish need to be kept in a group of six or more. They will not be healthy or happy in a group of two.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 05:46:35 PM »

Yes you are right Cheri, sorry, I was rambling away about goldfish XD

Do you think she would be okay to keep a small shoal if she was able to get a larger tank for the goldfish? Or would it be best to suggest two tanks? One for the danio's and one for the goldfish?

I'm really not too sure on the compatability, as I've heard a mixture of stories, maybe we could ask Mearwynna as she has White Cloud Minnows in with her goldfish....
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 05:53:37 PM »

I've always read that 40 liters in the minimum...with extra filtration they would probably be ok though- in my experience they don't need a lot of space but they just like to hang around together. The guidelines on shoals are quite important though. If you have 6 fish and one dies you need to replace it- six is ok but not five, lol.
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Re: Are mine being Lazy or not??? LOL
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 05:56:25 PM »

Ah thanks for the info, I've learnt something new about Danio's today Grin
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