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Summer Time
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automatic medicine dispenser
« on: August 14, 2011, 03:43:28 PM »

Hi guys!  My goldfish seem to have developed fin rot (tail rot) and I want to treat them with Maracyn Two.  I am going to be out of town.  Is there an automatic fish feeder or medicine dispenser that works well, to put in the daily dosage of powder medicine?  Or is there something else that I should do to help them heal?  Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 04:58:14 PM »

How long are you going to be out of town? I wouldn't trust anything that automatically dispense medications into a fish tank. It's hard enough to get the correct dosage when you do it manually.  One thing that is probably an exception is antibiotic fish food, though i don't know if anyone has ever tried putting it into an automatic fish feeder before. 

Are you able to get your hands on some Jungle antibiotic fish food? Walmart carries them i think but you probably have to get them to ship to the store to be picked up or to your home. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

If you're gone for only a few days, do the Maracyn II treatment and feed antibacteria fish food to the fish before you leave and finish the treatment once you get home.  At least this will help delay the infection until you are available.

How severe is the finrot? Is it all the way to the base of the fin or just at the edges?
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2011, 06:04:47 PM »

If you're only gone 2 days or so, just leave it. If not, I agree with nabi.
If it's severe, get a friend or even a trustworthy neighborhood kid (who can read dosages) to help you out and tell you how it's going.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 07:26:21 PM »

another option and one I have had great results with for fin rot is Wardley fungas ade, and you only need to add it every 4 days (like many of these meds), so if your away for longer get someone to add it for you, but give them precise instructions, dont rely on their "commonsense" to do it for you... and remove any carbon media from your filter as it will absob the meds. cheers > Ron
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2011, 07:30:09 PM »

I have some Jungle antibiotic fish food, so I will feed that tonight.  

The fin rot is not severe yet, only on the edges, but is affecting all 3 of my goldfish and is gradually getting worse.  Right now, my work schedule is that I am only home on the weekends.   Sad

Yesterday I did my regular 45% water change, and an extra one today of 35% (just to get the water a little more pristine).

Can you guys help me figure out why they have it?  I think it's something obscure that I'm doing wrong.

I keep the tank very clean, have been doing 40-45% water changes weekly since the tank was set up, water parameters are good, etc.  Same as what I have told you in the past, and you all said it was good.

At first I wasn't keeping up with my filter maintenance like I should, but now I am doing that correctly.  I also had a large hollow decoration that when I turned it over, I saw tons of stuff float out of the bottom of it, so I threw it away.  

I noticed that when I clean my canister filter Fluval 405, every time as soon as I plug it back in, tons of crud spews out of the water outlet into the tank.  I don't know where this crud is coming from, the only place I can think is in the top of the filter where the impeller is.  I haven't taken that apart yet.  Do you all clean that part as part of your routine maintenance?  Or maybe there's some crud in the hoses that lead to the filter?  Am I supposed to be replacing the hoses?

I might have my brother drive over and administer the medicine while I'm gone, but it's a long drive for him.  I'm afraid that a neighbor might forget to do it.

Thanks to you both for your suggestions.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2011, 07:31:27 PM »

Thanks Ron for your idea, too.  You responded while I was typing   Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2011, 07:34:08 PM »

no worries summertime, hope your fish are better soon. Cheers > Ron
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2011, 04:08:18 AM »

I always clean the whole machinery of my Fluval filter, they're really easy to take apart Smiley It's important that you clean the propeller since a lot of sludge is collecting there all the time!

Generally speaking, I would get a medication that can be dosed every few days, depending on how long you'd be gone. Salt would be an option for starters too and then you can bring in the heavy artillery when you come home Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2011, 09:36:32 PM »

That must be where my gunk is coming from.  I will definitely start cleaning the propeller as soon as I can! 

I'll look for the medicine Wardley fungas ade that Ron mentioned, since it only needs to be put in every 4 days.  I have had such good luck with Maracyn Two, but it needs to be put in daily for 5 days.  I also like it because I know it doesn't mess up the biological filter.

Ron, do you remember if Wardley fungas ade messed up your biological filter?

Thanks to you all! Hopefully they will be back to normal soon!
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2011, 10:17:43 PM »

I could not give you a precise answer on that Summer Time, I last used it in my Quarantine tank and that was set up hurriedly, and wasn't cycling properly anyway... I also used it in my outdoor Tub/tank for F.B. when she had growths removed from her tail, but that is more of a small pond environment, but it still all tested ok... my brother used to use it for his fish and he never had any probs... if anybody has had a problem with it I would like to hear about it too. cheers > Ron
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2011, 10:21:23 PM »

OK, I'll read up on it.  If it kills gram-negative bacteria, then it probably won't hurt the biological filter.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 06:33:03 AM »

But... considering that the medicine is called "Fungus aid", it shouldn't have any effect on fin rot, since that's a bacterial infection...?
I don't know the product, maybe it just has a confusing name.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2011, 12:08:27 PM »

I was wondering the same thing but I looked it up and it says it treats fin rot. Maybe it's one of those generic all-around meds.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2011, 07:31:49 PM »

yeah I thought that name was wierd as well Nossie but it says it treats both, I have also in the past used wardley's avian meds with no problems at all... cheers
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 09:09:22 PM »

I cleaned the impeller area and it wasn't that dirty. But I'm glad I did the exercise because it's so easy to take apart.

I inspected further and the gunk that was coming out was from the foam. I had only replaced half of the foam before, so half of it had been in there since I set it up last January.  I have now replaced it and it made a huge difference.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2011, 06:46:31 AM »

Nice! Smiley But you're usually rinsing the foam etc in tank water every two weeks, right?
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2011, 05:34:59 PM »

Yes, sometimes every week.

When you change the carbon in a larger canister filter, do you change all the carbon at one time or just 1/2?
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2011, 07:21:48 PM »

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Yes, sometimes every week.

When you change the carbon in a larger canister filter, do you change all the carbon at one time or just 1/2?

If you have other biological media in there like bio rings ,  than you can change all the carbon or half of it , whichever is more convenient for you.  Beneficial bacteria colonies can occur on old carbon media the same way they colonize the bio rings , but changing all of it shouldn't really have much of an impact on the biological filtration system.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2011, 04:36:46 AM »

All the carbon, carbon loses it's efficiency after a while, and no bacteria live in it, so just change all of it at once.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2011, 09:32:26 PM »

well...ok...  Grin   thank you both for your answers.  I think I read somewhere that beneficial bacteria can grow on carbon too, but it probably won't until the carbon is old and no longer active.

Since it needs to be replaced monthly, I was thinking I would replace 1/2 one week, then 1/2 two weeks later, then I'd be on a schedule of changing 1/2 every two weeks.

I thought it would be better this way, because then you will have some newly activated carbon every 2 weeks. Then I thought maybe you need the full amount of activated carbon all at one time, to handle the full volume of water. 

...maybe I'm over thinking this Grin
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2011, 02:11:32 PM »

If you have two filters go ahead and rotate changing the carbon.

Bacteria will indeed grow on your carbon, if it is left in there long enough that is. However, changing the carbon won't have a dramatic effect on your bacteria bed.

The most important thing as far as bacteria is to not clean the ceramic rings/tubes with tap water. I even use the garden hose on my sponges. It will kill whatever bacteria is in the sponge, but I have plenty of ceramic bio media so it isn't a problem.
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Re: automatic medicine dispenser
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2011, 02:30:41 PM »

Melafix has always been one of my favorite medications.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2011, 10:01:12 PM »

Melafix - you've had luck with that?  I have a bottle of Melafix and a bottle of Pimafix.  I only used them once but my goldfish died.  She may have been too ill at the time.

I don't know if they work or not.  I have read so many reports on these 2 meds that range from it being great... to people saying it does absolutely nothing.  So I haven't used them any more.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2011, 09:27:29 AM »

It has been a while since I have used it, but yeah. Back when I did it worked great.
I wonder if they did anything to change the formula.
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2011, 02:47:56 AM »

I would actually use them only in a quarantine system, provided that the fish aren't showing any obvious symptoms! A small wound or a little bit ragged fins is all I'd even attempt to treat with it Tongue
Since it doesn't kill bacteria, it's possible it wouldn't even help the fish, but rather strengthen the bacteria in some cases! So in that respect it's not very safe to use. It's not even properly tested by the labs manufacturing it... :/ (There's an article about that online, but it's a long time ago that I found it....)
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2011, 09:42:28 PM »

Well, I cleaned the hoses on my Fluval 405 (canister) this weekend and oh my, the stuff that came out of there.  It looks the same as the stuff that accumulates in the intake tubes.  If there's anyone on this forum who hasn't cleaned their hoses yet, I recommend it.  The water flow on the filter improved too.   Cool

So sorry to my fish for having let this go so long.  I think I found the source of some of my problems, like the slight fishy smell and fin rot.  I think I finally have it all covered now, don't think there's any other spots that bad things could be hiding in, at least I hope not...   Grin

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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2011, 03:34:00 AM »

Still looking around for one of them brushes to rinse it with... >>

At least I know what I'm looking forward to! Wink
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2011, 08:31:25 AM »

I just saw one of the brushes in the clearance basket at Petco the day before yesterday. I thought about ya'll when I saw it there.
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2011, 01:10:14 PM »

Success!  After cleaning my hoses, the slight fishy smell is gone!  Thanks to everyone for helping   Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2011, 03:12:40 PM »

Yay! That's great! Cheesy
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