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4Charlie
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Big Move for Me.
« on: January 23, 2013, 12:08:05 AM »
I am fixing to move a 180gal tank from my one daughters house to mine. I am going to have Goldfish in it I hope. A 55 is the largest I have ever had before. The tank was set up as a coral reef and was a real beauty when it was running. Here's a couple of pictures.. The big day for me will be Thursday... Grin

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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 04:50:03 PM »
That looks like a nice big tank!!
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4Charlie
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 10:15:10 PM »
Yes it's nice and big for sure. I am letting the pros move it as I am in no shape to do it... D-Day for this project starts tomorrow at 08:00hrs. Now if I can just get some sleep... Grin
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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 01:03:54 PM »
noo keep it a saltwater tank
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4Charlie
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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 09:05:20 PM »
Here's a few pictures of it set right up in my home. It's getting filled here. This outfit brings it's own water to set you up with.

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Yuck you can't see anything. It will clear by morning I hope... Grin

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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 10:36:28 AM »
Here's the next morning (Friday).. Now that's a whole lot better. I threw in a few pieces just to get some idea of what I am dealing with here.. Grin

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I changed the prefilter again this morning and they were both filthy. I got 0.25ppm ammonia, 5.0 nitrite, and 0.00 nitrate Huh Does that seem normal for a untreated 24hr old tank Huh I just started some carbon in a box filter.

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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 03:56:13 PM »
it is not really that odd
i have never seen a goldfish tank with a sump
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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2013, 07:17:33 AM »
Glad the move went well  Grin

Those tests are pretty normal, you might also want to test your tap water. Some people have ammonia or high nitrates and it affects how much water conditioner they need Smiley For example my tap water has ammonia and so I have to add 1.5x conditioner dosage to compensate for it, not sure what it would be if you had nitrates though, but I could find out.

What is that stuff on the back of the tank?
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2013, 09:17:15 AM »
Hi Skwishee. As I had it moved by the pro's I didn't get a chance to change the backing. The white looking stuff on the backing is old dead blue sea algae. It is very hard to remove. One of the boys said I could setup with vingar and that would get the most of it. I ask if it would hurt anything and the answer was no. So I just let it stay on. I just don't like the idea of running a acid through the system and then trying to flush it all out... Wink

Cheers, Charlie... Grin
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2013, 07:08:20 PM »
it is a type of algae that grows in a saltwater system. it is mostly made of calcium if u take a metal scraper u might get rid of it but u might make big marks to. vinegar will work but u have to rinse it out of days.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2013, 08:30:47 PM »
Yes Pufferman you are right about the calcium. I have already tried the scraper and I did get a little more off but I am not going to worry about it anymore. As long as I can raise health fish in it I'll be happy... Grin
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 05:30:48 AM »
Ahh okay, if it's just some old algae fair enough, as long as it doesn't affect the water quality Wink But just be aware with goldfish they will attempt to give it a nibble! My goldfish often eats algae that's on the tank glass Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2013, 08:04:30 AM »
It's a dead algae that has left behind this hard calcium deposit. The remains is way to hard for the fish to eat.. I have to get some feeder fish in the tanks and get the nitrogen cycle in check before I get any fancy goldfish... Wink
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2013, 10:29:56 AM »
yes gold fish will be able to suck on it but not get rid the stuff is really hard to get rid of but it can look cool in a tank i wish i had it in my tank  but at the same time i dont
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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 01:51:50 PM »
That tank is going to need a lot of filtration, Goldies are incredibly mucky. Nice size tank, wish I had the room Wink
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2013, 05:05:50 PM »
I am going to get a large canister filter for it also and have a diatom on hand for some of the clean up. With large water changes I hope to stay ahead of the ammonia. The ammonia has measure 0.00ppm the last couple of days but the nitrite is staying up at about 5.00ppm. This tank was setup with water from a RO system.

Our water here is hard, alkaline, with a high PH of about 7.8 +...

Any of you good folks that have any suggestions or advice please feel free to let me read it...

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2013, 05:37:25 AM »
May I ask what would happen to the feeder fish after the tanks done cycling? Unless you're going to re-home them to a pond, perhaps using an alternative method to a cycle a tank would be a good idea?

I've heard of people using house hold ammonia, or squeezes from mature media Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 07:10:46 AM »
If I was to go with the feeder fish method I have a friend who would take them as he has a nice size pond out at his place in the country. I think I will try the feeding method as it don't involve fish. I have put some bacteria boast in it twice now and it did knockout the ammonia. I am just trying to get the nitrite down as it is 5.0ppm.

Going to the fish shop today to get some more supplies. Hard to believe how much prices have gone up on things.. Shocked

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2013, 02:40:25 PM »
Ah fair enough Cheesy

I think using the feeder fish method would be more work as you'd have to keep up with water changes, but at least with using house hold ammonia or similar, you wouldn't have to do water changes as you'd have no little critters to worry about Smiley

This thread on another forum I belong too, talks about using house hold ammonia Smiley (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 10:09:30 AM »
We made a command decision yesterday evening as we are going to get some store bought little fellows and keep them. I am to old to think about getting back into breeding and such and these little fellows need a good home too. I am going to try some live plants at a later date.

This large tank and a sump system really works good so far. I think all is about ready for the fish. The ammonia (0.00ppm) & nitrite (0.25ppm) are in line enough to start with the fish.

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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Re: Big Move for Me.
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2013, 06:01:39 AM »
What breed of goldfish are you going to get? Smiley

I would perhaps wait until nitrates show up before adding fish? How has the tank been cycling until now, what have you been using?

You may get a mini cycle with the fish being there, so keep an eye on it with a liquid tester and daily water changes of around 50% if that happens. Sometimes ammonia or nitrite will spike, so you want to be on top of things to stop that from happening Smiley

Good luck! Those fish are very lucky Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 09:24:29 AM »
Well we went and got eight little fellows. All are very small. They are kind of like the mutts from the dog pound. Here's a list of what I think they are.
1. 2-gold fantails
2. 2-red caps
3. 3-calico
4. 1-blk moor
I am also going to add about a 12 cory cats just because I like them... Grin

That will be all for the tank. So far all water test are good and I will be keeping a close eye on it.

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2013, 11:49:54 AM »
I had no idea corydora's could be kept in a fancy goldfish set up? Is the tank heated then with a fine gravel substrate?

Maybe give the goldfish and the water some time to settle, at least 4 weeks, just in case you get a spike of ammonia or nitrites within the next few weeks, before adding more stock.
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2013, 05:31:51 PM »
The tank Temp looks to be holding at 72 degrees and that may be a little on the warm side for Goldie's but it's fine for Cory's. So far the nitrite is holding at 0.25ppm and nitrate is 40ppm.  I changed about 30gals of water to day...

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2013, 04:28:32 PM »
Ohhh nice, yeah I'd wait for the nitrites to drop and nitrates to appear before adding any more stock Smiley Maybe just do a little research on goldfish compatibility with corys in the mean time as I personally don't know about them Wink

Perhaps small daily water changes would be good for a while at least until the nitrites decrease and you see some nitrates appear. How are the goldies settling in? Have they been named yet? Would love to see photos Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2013, 12:19:41 AM »
So far everything going along OK. I would take some pictures but it seems my grand daughter borrowed my camara. I don't have a movie outfit or I would post some of them. No names for this crew yet. So far as the little Cory's will be just fine with the Goldfish.

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2013, 04:09:26 PM »
if you have a sump with some sort of bio filtration dont buy a canister filter people around here dont believe me but most fish that live in a reef are way more messy than goldfish. just stick with what u have and dont spent more if there is no need to

what would be the point of just throwing your money out for something that wont do anything
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2013, 12:59:02 AM »
Hi Mr Pufferman. The diatom filter would be just part of my maintenance tools and would not be used all the time.
I believe what you said about a reef tank as there is a lot of critters on a reef.

Cheers, Charlie... Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2013, 05:29:33 AM »
Soooo what's a diatom filter? Cheesy

Puffer I'd agree a sump filter is fine as it holds lots of media Cheesy I also think that comparing a reef set up to a goldfish set up in terms of how messy it can get, would depend on how many inhabitants there were Smiley But personally having never had a reef set up or know much about them, I wouldn't say I don't believe you, I just never thought about it Wink
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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2013, 08:39:35 AM »
a  diatom filter is basically a filter for the ugly brown(diatom) algae it works like carbon but only take out diatom algae. in a marine system after the cycle a lot of people get a diatom bloom

i never though of using it in a freshwater system but it would work perfect

you are going to have a nice and clean system. is it the same lights that were in the reef
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