Yes - i have red that some have used it with 0,1 % salt, and it was safe..  But i know that many Koi owners dosnt use it, due to the high price of the fish, compared with most goldfish - better safe then sorry.

I would always take the sick fish out of the tank, and treat that fish only - unless they are all sick.

Your fish obviously need help.  But I do not believe they will receive the help they need until the owners learn to respect all life.  Fish are pets just like any other and depend on you for everything they need.  If you don't want to put the time and effort into keeping your pets healthy and happy, then you should rethink being an owner.  Keeping fish is not a cheap hobby nor is keeping any other pet.  Most of the people giving you advice on this site would probably agree.  If you want to keep healthy and happy fish, then you need to learn everything you can about the subject.  I do not mean to bash but simply to inform.

I agree as well.  If you keep fish in a good tank with good filtration, do regular small water changes, feed them good food in healthy amounts, and, of course, watch and interact with them, they stay fairly healthy and happy.  Fish are an investment, but a worthwhile one.  It's mostly about prevention.  Ours haven't been sick a day since January just because they get a good tank and regular feedings and care.

to the last poster: water has been tested every time by the pet store and they said it is ok - as i don't trust them I am waiting to receive my own test kit - read the whole thread pls.


I agree with you however if you read my posting the fishes are not mine and i am not their owner but i am helping my partner trying to figure this out and yes you did sound harsh.

the new fishes are doing fine and all living happily. there is a part of me that agrees with my hubby that the fishes did arrive diseased/hurt/unwell form the pet shop (the new ones are from a different shop)

on a diff note i do moderate a couple of forums and i know it is hard not to, but newbies come to sites like this to get help and supported in the new skill gathering (in this case) so don't make them feel  bad. i don't particularly even like fishes but like even less to see them dying for no reason, so I am trying to do something right, the last message initial reaction was to just loose the bookmark to this forum - so be gentle with us newbies  

We do have alot of newbies on here but people who do not act in a responsible manner where their fish are concerned are not teaching or helping them to learn the proper care for their fish either.  Getting new fish on your part was totally irresponsible on you and your partners part when you admited that you still had problems in your tank.
I really hope your new fish survive but watch in 2 weeks or so how they are doing.  Some parasites and bacteria have an incubation period and do not show up right away!

Hi Flash, please do not get upset, we know that you didn't, but we like to advise you and you can pass this info on to your hubby.
We are all here to help each other and give some guidance too, I believe this is the reason you joined this forum, like we all did.

If you and your hubby want happy and healthy fish, you should tell him what you learned. You sure do not want tyour fish suffering.

Flash: Don't take any of these things said personally, it's true allover, that a person that doesn't have time for their pets shouldn't even keep them, but none of us were aiming that straight at you!!
So just chill, and keep doing your best to help the fish, and please please please, tell your husband to wait with getting more fish until everything will be ok in your tank in the first place! Introducing possibly sick fish into a possibly diseased tank isn't going to lead to anything good... So just try and treat the ones you've got for now, okay?

thanks Hanna.

could see no point in replying until i did the water tests.

results are all in range except for 7.8ph - but read in book that does not affect goldfish too much as long as stable and as the same result was for tap water i have no reason to think it is the ph... especially as Flash is thriving. and yes the redcap one is not, whilst the black moor i am not sure. the gobi is fine.

going back to ph. read in the book plus on the net that as long as ph is constant fish can cope with ph slightly different from their ideal. also been advised to stay away form playing with ph / trying to change it.

any positive ideas?

Hi Flash,

glad you're back.
Well, I agree with nabi. There's always a pH range. Yours is fine

ok! this is more constructive 

the tank has been put set up and running empty (+2 plants) from 2 weeks before the 24th May on this day we got the original 3 fishes. so been going on for a while... on the 24th May we also got another plant which grows on a woody bit. all from same pet store so far.

I am trying to remember the data for the other test but all i remember (it is an early morning here) was that were fine. the nitrates were below 40ppm more like 20. Nitrites were also fine and ammonia was the lightest colour on the results charts.

no medications have been given except for the ick treatment.

water changes been made and replaced with de-chlorinated water.

could be simply the tank is taking longer to cycle? is then Flash a right tough cookie as he is doing fine and been there from the beginning?

thanks for the help

Your test results sound pretty good to me. I still advise to use detoxyfier from Seachem. It doesn't REMOVE Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrates, but converts them into a non-toxic form for the fishies. And the beneficial bacteria help cycling.
2 goldies should be fine in it ( we do have 5 in 150 l ) ... but now I need to ask: what kind of fish is a gobi?

hello!
this is what our goby looks like:

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(not our just look like it)

well the red cap goldfish and also blackie the 3rd have gone to the pond beyond.

flash has also been caught sitting at bottom of tank but then perked up. but he does not interact with the goby and last time he was alone he did seem to sit about too... hope is not poorly too....

I am off to measure the tank to work out volume for sure.

the fishes at moment are only about 3cm long (+tail)