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April
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Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« on: December 20, 2010, 03:31:23 AM »

These black marks on her fins are they from ammonia burn from the store or could they be natural colouring? She has been darting around, hiding and banging into the filter intake pipe. Seems very jittery but I've never had a goldfish so young could she still be adjusting to her new home? She eats very well but I'm careful not to overfeed. The water is pristine everything zero and 10 nitrates pH 7.4 as for Tailer, well the Pimafix hasn't made much if any difference. The fungus hasn't progressed on his head but he now has a white cottony ball shaped formation on one of his pectoral fins.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 04:29:23 AM »

Those marks are most likely ammonia burns that are healing, she might have gotten it from shipping or from the shop. But as you can see, there is nothing else on her that would indicate that black would be a natural part of her coloration, so that's not the case.
If you have any treatment in the tank for her, that should be just fine! Those small patches will heal on their own Smiley Something like salt or melafix should be just enough!

I'm a little bit worried about Mr. Tailer though... if he's getting more fungus you should definitely stop the treatment with pimafix! If it's getting worse with one medication, you have to switch immediately. I have a special salt that's called "ectopur" by Sera. Try looking around for that, it treats both fungus and parasite infestations Smiley And the best part, it won't affect the cycled tank at all Smiley
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 05:35:49 AM »

I agree with Nossie, in that you really need to treat Mr. tailers tank with something stronger.
If you see any cottony growths you should treat with a fungus medications asap. Smiley
As for Jilli, yeah probably ammonia burns , looks like it to me.  Her fins aren't ragged or torn so the black means that they are healing at this point.  You can add a bit of melafix to her tank and keep the water pristine and the pH on the side of alkaline. (over 7), if you can. Smiley
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 05:45:41 AM »

I agree with everyone about Jillyfish and melafix should heal it Smiley She is also probably just getting use to her new place, I know some people's fish adjust straight away like Sunshine did for me. However, it took Clementine much longer as we had to deal with the ph issue first and now she is still a little shy  Wink

With Mr. Tailer definitely change treatment, something stronger. Look for medication bar pimafix that treats fungus, I won't recommend anything as I'm not sure what is available to you but there should be a fair few options. Get asap too before the shops close for Christmas.
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Mr. Tailer's tank is sea green after adding medicine.
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 03:47:39 PM »

They didn't have the Jungle fungus eliminator  Roll Eyes so I have treated Tailer with Tetra fungus guard. Dissolved 2.75 tabs in tank water and added back. His world will be viewed thru turquoise coloured glasses for a few days as the water is stained. Also found medicated food by Jungle for internal and external bacterial infections, fin and tail rot and other external infections. So fins crossed that this will work. Picked up a Marineland stealth submersible 100 watt heater - do you think I should use it to warm up the water while treating him? He doesn't look poorly at all but if it will increase effectiveness I will install it for him.

Got some stocking stuffers for the babies too Omega one tubifex worms, some fresh flakes for Jilly since she is so tiny and sweet Smiley More stability and prime, an extra long siphon vacuum and one of those weighted flat disc bubblers. Thanks for your insight on her burnt fin edges. Her tank is sitting at 7.4 pH so everything will be ok.  Added melafix too.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 04:09:56 PM »

April you do a very good job. We all keep the fins crossed
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 05:18:38 PM »

Do you have much fluccuation in temperature in your home or is the temp pretty stable?
I keep a thermometer in my tanks because it is colder at night and my orandas just do better with the same temp all the time. Smiley
If your temperature is pretty stable, then you really don't have to use it to treat fungus or bacterial infections.
It is good for treating other things like ich and dropsy so you might want to keep it on hand, just in case. Wink
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 06:39:16 PM »

Thanks Hanna Wink how is the D.I.Y. under grav filter working? Minde the temp is steady at 70 degrees in the tank. The new led light creates no significant heat when it is on. This is why I picked the heater up, in case I have to deal with anything else over the holidays - thanks for the info  Grin
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 09:41:30 PM »

Hope they both get better soon Smiley Sounds like you have the prober medication and they'll be on the mend by Christmas for a merry one.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 10:24:14 PM »

DIY UG filter is working, but not that good as the proper ones. Bubbles are a bit too big, cannot adjust that but Octavius is doing much better, he's much more alive. Anyway, as we couldn't find any around here in Maroochydore and Sippy I rang Fishchick in Brisbane and they send it to me. How lovely.


huuuh according to temp I got a scare the other day as it got up to 32 cels, quickly put those esky elements in they float in the tank. Our Sunshine is a bit bloated on one side, so treating her at this stage, thankies it is not much but my eyes just noticed it straight away. I put it towards the temp reason. Sunshine is acting fine so far, fins all erected, she is hungry... only a tad lobsided at the moment.
I treat with Pimafix, feed peas in GarlicGuard ( which is supposed to act antibacterial )... this is why all Greeks, Spanish, Italians etc eat that much garlic, especially in summer... cannot give her a brandy to kill the bacteria...
well joke aside, I really keep a good eye on our darlings
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 01:15:15 AM »

I am glad to hear he is looking feeling much better. This is a good company Fishchick to do this for you - very nice to hear they take such good care of their clients. I am worried about your Sunshine Hanna, how is she doing after putting frozen bottles of water in the tank. Poor sweet girl, good to hear she is eating. That is very hot and no doubt humid too so it feels even warmer. Must be difficult to sleep in that heat. I saw today at the store different products containing garlic that are for all fish. Personally love the stuff the healing properties of it are amazing. If you ever get a split lip, rub a raw clove directly on it and it'll be healed by morning!

No I don't suppose brandy would work very well for fishies but wishing your pretty girl all the best with her garlic soaked peas. Hope your package arrives quickly for Octavius  Smiley
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 02:27:21 AM »

Thanks April, I will do a waterchange right now, geez was it hot today again, I've got 3 days off work, we cleaned out the garage, got stuff sorted, just had a shower so I smell good again, lol.
Cannot approach fishies tank without having a shower, their faces sure would have turned green, lol
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 03:18:33 AM »

LMAO!!!  Well I hope you can sit down and relax somewhere's in that time off sip a cold one or 15 with your hubby on these days off Grin and for certain I hope all fishies don't feel bad with heat. Seems so weird, you are in sweltering temps and I had to put on down coat and boots to go out and turn off xmas lights! Cool but hot  Grin anyhoo I am rambling, it is late. Got all prezzies wrapped finally so can clean up all the trimmings. When I tucked Mr. Tailer in tonight, I didn't see any change so hopefully by tomorrow we will see some progress. Have a good evening!
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 05:06:15 AM »

Aw I really hope Sunshine is doing ok, she appears to be one always affected by things, poor darling Sad It's hard with the whole temperature thing, it's easy to keep a tank warm but not so easy to keep it cold. I was planning on going away in January just for a few days but I'm scared those days will be really hot and I don't trust anyone to look after the fishies. I don't think they'd do it right or remember  Undecided

I wonder why her side got a bit bloated, does anyone know why? Sounds like it will be fixed quick with your excellent care.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 05:47:07 AM »

Thankies Andrea, she didn't change in shape and same behavoiur, still eating and fins errected... but tomorrow I'll get medication and do like Minde mentioned to do with your Sunshine, soak some food in it. She pooped a long white string >>>> internal bacterial issue. I will look at it under the microscope.

All fishies are a bit slower in warmer temps... see I never experienced summer with fishies, this is the first time...

How is your darling Sunshine going? Hope she's good by now and she can be united with Clementine at Chrissie.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2010, 03:23:11 PM »

April, how is Mr. Tailer and Jilly, the future Mrs. Tailer going?
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2010, 03:31:52 PM »

He is swimming around like normal and behaving as usual. I don't see any change with the tail or spot on his fin. The white patch on his head is better. Jilly is growing, eats very well and loves to zoom around her tank. Her water is perfect and added stability like every day since getting her. I did some research last night and found others who have had these types of symptoms like Mr. Tailer and they haven't sorted it out either. Could be a virus which means he'd have to live with it until it goes away. Looking into getting some huge 20 gallon jugs of spring water to see if that'll help.

Now how is your beloved Sunshine doing today? Everyone else ok too?
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2010, 03:49:21 PM »

Haven't seen them yet, they are stil asleep in their fishy beds, lol. I'll sneek back to bed too, it is abit early especially if it is another day off

Yesterday she was gulping the garlic soaked peas like everybody else. Picked up a piece of her poo wanna have a look at it under the microscope.
Regardless, I'll get meds today for the fishies and myself
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2010, 03:59:40 PM »

If the patches are fuzzy, it's most definitely a fungus, but sadly there are strange viruses that can attack goldfish, as you know, and cause all kinds of strange growths. I'm sure he'll be fine either way Smiley

Good luck with Sunshine, Hanna!! Smiley Hope you won't find anything bad in the microscope...
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2010, 06:34:34 PM »

Hi Nossie, I had hoped to see some change in those patches on the tail and the one on the fin. It's been close to 36 hrs since starting treatment, so it could be too early to tell yet Wink I think that is so cool that you have a microscope Hanna Cheesy I was wondering if goldies ever throw up. I gave Jilly her first taste of tubifex worms- just a tiny morsel and she eagerly munched on it and appeared to be enjoying it until a few minutes later she upchucked it all  Lips sealed maybe I should not feed that to her yet.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2010, 01:49:08 AM »

I always forget how new to fish keeping you are Hanna, you've come so far so quickly both with knowledge and how many tanks/fish you have Cheesy

Sunshine is doing great, thanks for asking Smiley Last day of treatment was on Monday, I did a big water change yesterday and added some carbon to the filter, will remove that tomorrow. I will also do a water test later, I hope I don't see traces of ammonia or nitrites. I'm going to add stability every day for 7 days, the treatment I used was pretty strong. I'm soo happy it all worked out, I was so sad and stressed out Sad But all good now.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2010, 05:08:26 AM »

April: That's usually how they react on those worms the first times Wink But she'll eat them like crazy real soon Smiley
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2010, 07:19:08 PM »

Good to know Nossie thank you Smiley
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2010, 08:28:35 PM »

April, yep fish do it sometimes, they pass wind the longer or the shorter way out and they also perk up a bit. Seen it with ours too and they quickly re ate it before someone else did, lol

Andrea, so happy to hear that your Sunshine is doing so well, what do you think will Sunshine and Clementine be together by Xmas? This would be so nice

My Sunshine is not worse, may be a tad better, there was nothing alarming in her white poop and yesterday she had multicoloured  poopy according to the food intake, Brian said we should call the girl "Xmaslights". poor little Sunshine... lol
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2010, 08:46:56 PM »

LMAO!!! aww that is one way to claim their food ahahaha oh, my sides Hanna Wink as for your Sunshine I'm glad that she is a 'tad' better sweet little monkey ♥ she is her own candy cane (or in this case - cable) maker! Hope your Sunshine will be with Clementine by xmas too Andrea  Grin Jilly is growing and starting to trust me when I sit next to her tank. She's not a fan of the camera however - I think it frightens her even though I don't use the flash  Undecided
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2010, 09:07:10 PM »

It is looking like Clementine will be with Sunshine by Christmas or maybe the day after Cheesy Best wishes for your Sunshine Hanna, keep us updated.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2010, 09:35:11 PM »

How wonderful Andrea! Hoping for healthy fishies all around ♥ Tailer's fungus on his head is gone. One more day of treatment left. The ragged tail and white spot on the pectoral fin remains (perhaps it is a parasite  Undecided ) in which case I will do a huge water change, gravel cleaning and head out to get more freaking meds to try to help him. I gotta say, this has taught me patience or maybe it was the wine...
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2010, 09:37:48 PM »

Yay about the fungus Cheesy Have you tried treating with aquarium salt? It should kill most parasites. I don't know much about parasites to help Sad Maybe you could post a close up photo and hopefully Nossie or Minde might be able to head you in the right direction of what medication to use.
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2010, 09:46:53 PM »

Short of hauling the sweet fat boy out of the tank and holding his fin under a magnifying glass (in this case it would be awesome to have you Hanna as a neighbour with your microscope) Cheesy , I have no clue. He is awesome otherwise but this needs to be sorted before wee Jillybean goes on her first date! In the meantime I'm gonna feed her well and get her a little bigger than her tiny self now Wink
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Re: Black marks on Jillyfish's fins
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2010, 10:40:57 PM »

April, do you have a petsmart by you?
Are you feeding him an antibiotic fish food?
Petsmart carries it.  It's by the fish food.
Anyway, what is the active ingredients in the medicine you are using.
you might want to switch to something that has nitrofurazone and furizolidone and potassium dichromate.
I would add aquarium salt, 1 tsp per gallon for now, until you can get another medicine. Smiley
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