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OrandaLover
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Black Moor Help!
« on: August 17, 2010, 10:19:21 AM »

My Black Moor goldfish ( Batal ) is having trouble getting to the food, I think because of his eyes. I feed all of my goldfish (three of them) with these:

-Frozen bloodworms
-TetraColor Goldfish pelets
-Occasional frozen/thawed peas (without the shells)

I feed my goldfish just enough so they can finish it in 5 minutes or so, and twice a day, but my Black Moor hasn't been able to get at any. I tried using a straw to feed him, which worked, but every year I leave the country and my dad has to feed them and he won't have time to do much except drop some food in twice a day. What should I do? I'm really worried about Batal not getting enough food!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 11:10:56 AM »

How long will you be gone?

A strong healthy goldfish can go without food for a week or more just fine.  If the moor is able to get a tiny bit of food each time, it can hang on for a long time till you come back.

If you're gone for only 2 weeks or less, i wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 03:21:28 PM »

Ok, thanks. I leave twice a year - one for two weeks and one for a month. I think he'll do okay
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2010, 03:23:43 AM »

It'd be fine even if your dad would feed them once a week while you'd be gone Smiley Just do a large water change before you leave!

And about the moor, is it that he won't really come up to the surface while eating? Because that's just a matter of him getting used to where the food comes Smiley My moor had the same thing, but then I introduced a friend to him, and he started imitating her during the feeding hours Wink And how he's very able to even compete with my orandas for food! Just be patient, and see to it that he at least tries to eat Wink
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 09:08:09 AM »

Okay, thanks Nossie!

Batal (My Moor) actually follows the other two goldfish around (I actually think both of them are females) and focuses on them most of the time, chasing them around and then when he gets to the food, the others have already eaten it. I've hand-fed him a couple times, as he seems to like me and is very comfortable with coming up and nibbling food from my fingers occasionally, even though I got him only just 3 days ago.
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 02:21:21 PM »

Aww, that's really nice Smiley But there's no need to worry! I think he's just busy with getting to know his friends, sooner or later he'll catch up when he'll notice when it's feeding time.
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 11:05:02 AM »

That's a relief!
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 06:55:41 PM »

he's starting to catch up - when I fed him just a few hours ago he swam around picking up pellets!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 09:55:00 PM »

Aw that's very good to hear Smiley Does he like the peas aswell?
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 02:43:03 AM »

Good to hear! Only one thing to point out (unless I did already), don't bother thinking "they have to eat it in 2-5 minutes", because this is a very abstract limit for feeding. It depends a lot on how fast each fish is with eating, so if you're feeding them enough to eat in 5 mins, most of the fish have probably already overeaten, while some have barely started.
Try feeding a pinch of food for the first fish that arrive to the feeding-corner, and give the other pinch when the moor gets there Smiley That way all should get some, and you won't be over feeding Smiley (It's of course different with the peas, I use to give one pea per fish d: )
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 04:37:51 PM »

Thanks guys -

Andrea - they LOVE the peas! Batal my moor has been obsessed with them. He usually hogs the peas  Wink

Nossie - thanks, I'll try that. You're right, because usually by the time my moor reaches the feeding space, the other two have taken most of the food. I give them a pinch more, but that's usually too much, so now I've been fasting my fish once every week or two!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 02:51:16 AM »

I see, I've got a similar problem now that the tank is a whole lot bigger than they're used to! My moors don't really notice when it's time for feeding, so I usually wait with giving the fish anything until the moors reach the feeding corner Smiley
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 06:15:05 AM »

You've got them in with fantails? One thing I've noticed about them is that they are the greediest goldfish Tongue They can swim quite fast especially when it comes to food and they have a normal mouth so nothing stops them lol.
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2010, 05:10:23 PM »

lol, you're right. I got some new goldfish and they're all really greedy!  Tongue I ended up handfeeding my moor because he couldn't get to the food fast enough!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 07:06:34 PM »

Yay! Batal is doing much better - he recognizes where the food came from. It just took a couple of my new goldfish swimming to the top to figure it out!  Grin

My six goldfish now live in a really really long 20 gallon long tank with frequent water changes! I checked with my fish store people - I think the tank will be the right size. If not, then I have a friend who's willing to take one or two goldfish!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 02:43:44 AM »

Every fish needs 10 gallons, in other words, a 20 gallons are only enough for two fish. So you'd have to give away four, unless you're intending to upgrade to a 60 gallon anytime soon c: (They will easily survive for a couple of months in your tank if you change the water like you mentioned Smiley so there's still some time for you to think about it)
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 03:39:35 AM »

 Sad Heavily overstocked  Sad
Unfortunately many staff at the stores know nothing about proper fish keeping and they are interested in the almighty dollar.
It is hard to find staff they are interested in the fishes welfare as well... most times you won't find them in chain stores (sometimes you do, but you must be very lucky)

The real good people you will find in small stores which they may own and are interested in their good reputation as well. Those people ask you about what tank size you've got, how long the tank has been cycled, they ask about your intentions how to stock. They also will advise against your plans if it is not right or maybe sometimes refuse to sell because you simply are about to do the wrong things. And they will teach you what is right and what is wrong. They will do everything to have you as a happy long term customer with giving you the right advise, even if it is sometimes to refuse a sale to you.

six goldfish in a 20 gal tank, I am sorry to say, are punished Sad
They are pets like a dog or a cat , etc and they deserve to be kept properly, to be happy. This should be the first thing to think about it ALL the time, before thinking to please the own desire just to have six because they look so nice. Soon they won't because they'll get stressed out and become sick and will die. Sad
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 05:19:41 AM »

Hanna is right! And I'd even dare to say that the people at bigger shops, even if they know the basics about fish keeping and how to stock a tank, they have no idea how to stock a tank with GOLDFISH. As they're not aware of how big they will grow, or long they can live if properly cared for! So really, do be careful with listening to their advice, try to learn as much as you can on your own, first hand!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2010, 06:04:38 PM »

Alright guys, thanks so much. I totally needed that pep talk!  Smiley

I'll think about it - I have a friend willing to take in a goldfish I think, and it really depends on how much my goldfish grow. So I'll give it some thought
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2010, 06:05:49 PM »

Oh , by the way, it's technically a 25 gallon. (not that it makes much difference, but it's a twenty gallon long, so they have more room to swim)
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2010, 03:06:50 AM »

It doesn't depend at all on how much your goldfish grow, in fact, being squeezed into a crowded tank will stunt them and keep them from reaching their full potential :/
So really, if you can, give away four of your fish OR get yourself a 60 gallon. (Alternatively, give away a few goldfish and get an appropriate tank, counting 10 gallons per fish)
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2010, 10:00:31 PM »

ok, thanks for letting me know!  Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2010, 10:14:17 PM »

Thanks for accepting the advice,  Wink
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 05:06:45 PM »

Yup  -  I might be letting one or two of 'em be my school classroom pets (not sure of tank yet, or anything)
And I'm trying to convince my parents to let me get another 15 or 20 gallon.


Quick question: This may seem silly, but I was wondering if goldfish hold grudges. Like, if I accidentally hurt it, (I haven't, don't worry) would it forgive?
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2010, 07:28:55 PM »

I don't think they would hold grudges because I don't think their wee brain is big enough to remember being hurt! Cheesy
Another thing which I do for my big fat orandas is put a suctioned feeding ring in their tank at feeding time.  I put the food in the ring and when the pieces start to float down the bigger more greedy fish swim after to the bottom and that leaves some food in the ring at the top for the slower fishes. Wink
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2010, 07:31:38 PM »

Ok, thanks!
That might do the trick... I'll see if I can get a feeding ring.

One more question: If my parents let me get another 15 or 20 gallon, will it work for me to keep two or three goldfish in my original 20 gallon and the other two or three in a new tank? Will that give them sufficient space?
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2010, 07:39:55 PM »

The rule of thumb and the healthiest environment would be 1 round bodied fish per 10 gallons of water.  So a 20 gallon would only allow enough room for 2 egg bodied goldfish. Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2010, 09:05:05 PM »

Alright. I might have to squeeze in one more per tank, but I'm sure they'll be fine if I take good care of them and change the water freguently - I just changed the water in my current goldfish tank an hour ago!!!

Right now the tank is a 20 gallon long, but I'm BEGGING my parents for another one! Grin
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2010, 09:26:42 PM »

Actually, scratch that. I just talked with my dad, and he's going to talk with my mom about getting rid of my 20 gallon and replacing it with a 50 or 60 gallon!!!!!!  Cool I suggested that, so I hope it'll work!
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Re: Black Moor Help!
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2010, 10:29:52 PM »

Wow! That's great! Smiley
You have a nice dad! Wink
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