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boogah
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Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« on: May 05, 2012, 04:55:00 AM »

Hi there, I really need some help.

I recently adopted 7 fish and I have never had fish before.

1. How big is your tank:  Gal / litres   10gal

2. For how long has the tank been set up:one week

3. How many fish: there was 7. I found one gold fish floating =/ so 6

4. What kinf of fish: sucker cleaning fish, 2 tropical freshwater fish, 2 goldfish, 1 black moor


10. Symptoms your fish is showing:I came into my room and noticed the black moor named Boogah was hopelessly trapped in the filtration system i bought at walmart.  I turned it off right away and he escaped. So I turned it back on....just a few seconds later he was again caught in the pull of the filtration. His fins are very damaged

11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms: 1.5 hour.

12. How is the normal behaviour of your fish:goofy swimmer I could tell when I got him he was not the strongest swimmer

13. How do the other fish behave:When Boogah got weaker due to his lack of fins i moved him into a recovery tank so the other healthy fish would not hurt him. used the same water, put 2 smooth largeish pebbles on the bottom and fed him.

14. Post pics of the sick fish:I am new to this forum and have no clue how =/

15. Do you have a filter on your tank, what kind, how big (gallons per hour)apparently one that is not so sensitive to my Boogah as he got sucked into it.


So the questions I could not answer at this time I have deleted.  This is all the information I have.  I need to know if epsom salt, or malafix or p-fix will help him??? Anything I can do to nurse him back to health.

Please be honest my fish experts, if there a chance I can save him or is he miserable?  I am so sensitive to my fishhy....I just need to try. anything helps.

THANK YOU KINDLY
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fantailer
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 05:31:37 AM »

Okay I would add get aquarium salt and add it to the tank by the instructions on the back. Or you could use Melafix.

After he is all healthy you have to get a bigger tank. Goldfish grow to 12 inches and live 10 years and cant live with tropical fish! Your black moor and the rest of your goldfish will need to be seperated to a new tank that is at least 30 gallons. But your tropical fish and sucker fish can live in the 10 gallon tank.
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 06:02:05 AM »

Thank you for replying.

He is so small and I am simply worried that his fins are passed the point of recovery. What do you think? have you heard or seen fish like this survive with all fins injured?  There are also no Petco's open for at least 4 more hours and I don't have aquarium salt or M-fix...what about epsom salt?
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 06:14:44 AM »

Hi boogah and welcome to the forum, (firstly let me warn you this is rather long, so please take your time)

What type of filter do you have? Is it an internal filter or external filter?
It can be possible to cover the inlet on some filters, to lower the current, certain sponges can be used or covering the inlet with a material such as the foot end of a tight, these tactics are used in shrimp tanks and fry tanks, to stop them from being sucked in to the filter, so could help out with your situation.

How badly damaged are the fins? Could you describe it in further detail? Do you have a filter in the hospital tank?
Sometimes depending on the damage, fish can heal themselves as long as the water quality is good. You will want to keep an eye on things and make sure no secondary infections occur, such as fin rot.

When I say 'good water quality', you may wonder what that means, so I'll explain briefly.
In an aquarium there are 3 main elements that have to be considered; Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate.
When you first set up a tank, there is a process called 'cycling', simply where bacteria develops in the tank and filter, so that the harmful substances of ammonia is converted to nitrite and then more develop to convert the nitrite into nitrate.
So in a cycling tank you see ammonia levels rise, and then begin to fall, followed by nitrite levels rising and then beginning to fall, which is lastly followed by nitrate levels which begin to rise.
Ammonia and Nitrite are extremely bad news for fish and can cause illness as well as death, if not taken care of.
Nitrates however aren't as bad, as long as the concentration is below 40ppm. Weekly water changes, keep's the nitrates under control.

So as fish keepers, we use test kits to monitor these elements and re act accordingly. Ideally in a fully cycled system Ammonia and Nitrites will be 0ppm and Nitrates will be below 40ppm.

As Fantailer has said, tropical fish -depending on what they are- generally aren't compatible. Often tropical fish have different requirements in terms of PH and temperature, do you know what breed of fish they are? That would be helpful Smiley

Also when you describe your other fish as 'sucker cleaning fish' I am going to assume you mean a pleco of some kind. Again knowing the breed would be helpful, sometimes pleco's can be kept with goldfish, but there have been cases of the pleco sucking the slime coat from a goldfish. I'm not sure how common this situation can be, but it's something to be aware of. And also depending on the breed, will affect it's suitability for your 10 gallon tank, as some pleco's can grow to huge sizes.

May I also ask what type of goldfish the other two are?
Are they fantails or another fancy goldfish type, OR are they single tailed such as a common goldfish or shubunkin?

If you're not sure, you could always look things up on google images Smiley

In general for goldfish (as fantailer has already said) they grow pretty big and are extremely messy fish, excreting a lot of waste through poop and their gills give some off as well. As a result they need a lot of tank space.
The minimum stocking rule for fancy goldfish types, is 20 gallons for the first fish and then 10 gallons for each additional fish. So assuming your other two goldfish are fancy, you would need a 40 gallon tank, minimum. To successfully keep the goldfish.

If the other two goldfish are single tailed, then it's an entirely different situation.
As single tailed and fancy goldfish should never be mixed, as the single tailed fish are much quicker and can out compete the fancy varieties for food as well as potentially stressing them out, by being such agile and quick movers.
As a result of their active behaviour, single tailed fish are more suited to large aquaria (with a length being a minimum of 6 foot) or even better, a decent sized pond of around 1000 litres or more.

So it all depends on what types of fish you have Smiley

If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask, how is the Moor doing?
Is he eating? Are there any more symptoms physically you can see asides from the fins? Or is he acting oddly, such as bottom sitting?
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 06:27:30 AM »

HI!

I will have to get all the information about the other fishies at a later time. Right now my main concern is my black moor his name is actually Boogah. 

so to describe him:

Yes, he is bottom sitting.
He is also opening his mouth a lot more frequently, which may be bad because oxygen filling his lungs.
The food I have is floating at the top.
He cant swim too well as he is missing most of his fins...sadly he looks like half the fish I adopted.
I dont have a water kit tester or access to a store that would carry melafix right now.

despite all of this, he is still moving around the slightest bit, it appears he kind of has too because when he doesnt he floats up....

also hes is mostly wiggling a lot to swim...

I feel terrible that my crappy internal filter caused this...

I bought a started kit 10 gal aquarium at wallmart. it came with lights, filter, chlorine clarifying agent, and food.

I hope little Boogah has got enough drive to wait for the melafix...even so, is this medicine powerful enoguh and is it even possible for him to re grow or heal his fins? From what I have read about it most people use it for a single tear....this is much worse than just one tear..

I am sorry I am so scattered right now..but also what does it mean that he is bottom dwelling?

you are so helpful I hope this scattered post of mine is okay..
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 06:28:51 AM »

I feel like I can see it in his eyes that he is sad...  Cry
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 06:41:18 AM »

Hi Boogah,

With bottom sitting, it's generally a sign that something is wrong, fish often do it if they are stressed or un well.

If your moor is opening his mouth, do you mean his yawning? Is it at all possible that his gills were affected by the filter?
It's natural for a fish to yawn occasionally, but if it's a very frequent behaviour then it means something else could be wrong.

What type of food do you have, for it to be floating on the top?
It might be an idea, to soak the food in some aquarium water first (I often scoop up a little in a plastic tub I use only for the aquarium and soak food that way) then you could hand feed it or put it somewhere near little Boogah so he can easily reach it  Smiley

I think it's possible for fish to heal their fins, I've not had experience with it myself, but I have heard of fins healing. I'm not too sure about multiple wounds on fins, but I'm sure it's possible with time, that it could heal up.

I know some of the members here have used different treatments for treating damaged fins, so hopefully they'll be here soon, to give some further advice  Smiley
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 06:46:59 AM »

I am using Tetramin tropical flakes.  they are all floating on top... is there something safe i can use to sink the flakes with?
Also, I mean I cannot tell if his gills are hurt..it seems to me as though he has always had that kind of bottom sitting opening mouth a lot looking in the rocks for food kinda personality, but i have only had him for 1 week.

so priority- getting the food near him....any ideas?
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 06:49:39 AM »

I just improvised and attempted to use the back of my fish net tool to push the food down.
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2012, 06:55:48 AM »

oh darn, well it appears to me even with the flakes floating towards the bottom boogah isn't even attempting to eat them and just chilling on the bottom of the tank by a pebble.


my other fish in the 10 gal tank were swimming to the top a lot maybe for oxygen so i turned the filter on. but I am so scared it will damage my other fish...
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2012, 06:57:08 AM »

apologies for all these posts of scattered thoughts and questions.... would it be okay for me to leave in on for a few mins and then turn it off...?
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2012, 07:00:28 AM »

Boogah's left gill is opening farther than the right.  The left side of his body if where the filter trapped him.
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2012, 07:21:31 AM »

It's okay, firstly please put the filter back on!!
Cover the inlet with something, like using some tights, I am sure the rest of the fish will be okay.

The filter is important as it holds all the beneficial bacteria that takes care of the ammonia/nitrites that I mentioned before, so it should be on 24/7 and only turned off when doing water changes and general maintenance of the tank.

If the flakes aren't sinking by using the net, then hand feed them to the goldfish. Simply hold some between your thumb and fore finger, soak them in the water and drop them near the moor. It takes a while for fish to feed from your hand, so just dropping them near him should do for now. Or another option you could try, is feeding some peas. If you take a pea out of the freezer, allow it to defrost and then take the pea shell off, split the pea into little pieces and drop them near the moor so he can reach it.

If his gill is slightly damaged from the filter, that could explain the yawning.

The fish gasping in the 10 gallon could mean lack of oxygen, or an issue with the water quality -probably from having the filter switched off- so simply cover the in let and turn it back on  Smiley

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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2012, 07:25:04 AM »

ON IT! wow you have been so helpful. i want to thank you again
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2012, 11:27:13 AM »

Fish don't actually have lungs Tongue The gills distribute oxygen directly in their blood Smiley

In any case, I'm a little concerned what it is you're keeping the moor in while attempting to heal him. Is it actually a tank, as you say (minimum 10 gallons) or is it a bowl? It's always better to keep weak fish in proper tanks with cycled filters to keep ammonia from weakening them.

Are you planning at all to get a bigger tank?
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2012, 11:31:45 AM »

Oh sorry, I didn't see that bit about lungs XD Thanks for picking up on that Noss!
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2012, 02:29:56 PM »

I would really like too get him another tank i wish i could have him in the proper living environment but the truth is i cant afford it.....
i am keeping him in a little bowl......it a mini tish tank...
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2012, 04:13:48 PM »

If you can't afford a tank, ypou can buy a large plastic storage box

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2012, 04:55:11 PM »

Thank you so much for that inovative idea!
I have some good news! Grin  My friend has given me a brand new 1 gallon tank with a filter. I am going to use this as the new hospital tank and I am installing it now, or trying to figure out how to install it.  Anyways...

ADVICE to gently move Boogah into the new tank???

And how long should I let the water sit before I more him into new fresh clean water?
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2012, 05:07:03 PM »

One more thing....so this tank has a bottom filter I lined it in a thin nylon I had.  I dont have plants or very many soft rocks to line it with.....what if he gets caught in the suction of this filter too?? should i take some gravel rocks out of the other aquarium to weigh down the plastic filter lining the bottom?
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2012, 05:47:34 AM »

I would move Boogah with a net if the trip is short to the tank. If its long just scoop him up with a small container but make sure you left water from Boogahs tank in the container so he can swim and breath.

Per every gallon or every 4 liters you'd let the water sit out for a day. So if your tank is 20 liters or 5 gallons you'd let the water sit out for 5 days.

For your bottom filter I would cover the bottom with a 1/2 inch layer of gravel that is about the size of a pea.
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Re: Black moor's fin got caught in filter. How can I heal him??
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2012, 07:33:41 AM »

An undergravel filter (i assume that's what you're talking about) is awfully weak, there is no way the goldfish would get caught in this, and if he would, he would most likely be dead or very close to dying either way.

Try looking for used tanks! 30 and 40 gallon tanks are pretty common, it's possible you could find someone that even wants to give it away for free Smiley If you wouldn't, sad truth is that you'll have to watch your fish get sucked into the filters, becoming sick from parasites and bacterial infections and dying one by one because of the poor living conditions.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2012, 10:33:33 AM »

Boogah, it might be an idea, once you have your moor in his hospital tank, to start looking up what the other fish are that you currently have Smiley
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