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lisa
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lazy goldfish?
« on: February 01, 2010, 01:27:39 AM »

Hi all, I am a newbie.

My son has 2 goldfish. I do not know the tech terms but one orange and the other black.

the orange one has been behaving strangely. it is laying on the bottom of the tank. Under the plant. It moves and eats well. Until yesterday it was lively and constantly swimming around the tank.

Any help would be much appreciated. TIA
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Mindemae
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Re: lazy goldfish?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 01:35:55 AM »

First and foremost you need to check your water chemistry.
What is the ammonia, ph, nitrite, and nitrate levels?
What size tank do you have?
How big are your fish?
What kind of filter do you have?
Does your tank have an extra pump with airation?
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Dominic
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 04:47:56 PM »

Hi its me again i lost my last post si im maken a new one. i am making a fish maze for a shience fair project i am not sure what gold fishto ues i wont to have one that is strong, cleans the tank and one you can train with a good memory. i can run out to the pet stor and get one any time so please post me back soon. i'll be on later thanks!        Shocked
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Katarine
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 10:42:06 PM »

Dominic, commons or comets.. or even betas.. theyre pretty smart. its all a matter of preference.
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Nicole
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Re: lazy goldfish?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 01:16:27 PM »

No offense, but you may want to think of another project.  Goldfish are a long-term pet- did you know they can live for over 10 years and grow up to be quite large?  Goldfish need a committed person to take care of them for that long.  They also need a fairly large tank, good filtration, medicine when they get sick, toys and hiding places, and they like to have other goldfish friends to swim with.  When your project is done, you still have to take care of your fish and love it.  It's like adopting a dog or a cat.  I don't know you personally, but if you're just getting one for a school project and then you'll be done, I don't think using a live animal is a good idea.
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sinead
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Re: lazy goldfish?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 03:45:15 PM »

hi my son got a goldfish last wednesday hes only five and its his first pet hes gone to his dads this weekend so its up to me to look after it while hes gone i let him think hes looking after it when hes here the thing is like yours the fish was fine yesterday and today its been floating at the top of the tank every so often it gives a burst and zooms around the tank whilst spinning around and and then sink to the bottom of the tank ive been watching him all day praying he doesnt die this soon my son will be heart broken ive changed his water i dont know what else i can do
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 03:45:59 AM »

sinead: Your fish might just be affected by a change in the pH values... what kind of tank and how big do you have? Good filtration, water stones?
More importantly, buy a test kit for at least pH and KH and check it right away! (pH measures how sour the water is, goldfish want it around 8. And KH is directly connected to the pH, a value of 100 ppm or above will keep the pH stable, and be safer for your fish.)
Get some for nitrite, nitrate and ammonia tests too to see that these levels are alright as well.

Another thing, do you add any kind of water conditioner to your water before adding it to the tank? They take away harmful chlorine and similar from the tap water, making it safer to live in.
Did you let the tank mature before you added the fish? As in, allowed it to stand for at least 24 hours to get the temperature stabilized.
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sinead
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 03:04:01 PM »

hi i went back to the pet shop today to buy water conditioner after remembering i used to use it when i had fish as a child i also asked the advice of the man in the shop and he said it didnt sound good some illness with the word bladder in it i cant think of it now but i had seen the same thing online last nite so i asked him did he think the fish would die he said probably the fish is still alive now but he hasnt much control of his swimming it so sad to look at him
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 03:17:06 AM »

swim bladder disease then? Treat him with a bit of salt. One tablespoon per gallon of water. Until it's a 0.3% solution. Feed him with frozen peas, but thaw them in the microwave and peel them before giving to him! In case he's small, cut them in halves.
Still, is he just hovering by the surface or sitting by the bottom, it's for sure something about your water quality. But if he's floating upside-down or on the side, it's a swim bladder disease.
So please tell me again, how big tank do you have? Filtration?
Did you buy anything to test the water with?
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Katarine
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 03:37:45 AM »

Nossie, it is so NOT one table spoon per gallon, its one tablespoon for FIVE gallons! ahahahahaha in one gallon it would be way too concentrated and might do more damage than good.
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Re: lazy goldfish?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 04:26:24 PM »

hi all thanks for the advice but sadly fred passed away this evening i dont know which my son found more traumatic the fact he died or when i headed for the bath room he couldnt understand how he would get to heaven if i flushed him down the toilet bless him!
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 02:50:26 PM »

Katerine: Sweetie (: Dr. Richard E. Hess would beg to differ. On page 64 in his book (Fancy Goldfish, A complete Guide for Care and Collection) you can read about dosing salt in a bath treatment:
"To produce a 0.3% solution, use 1 tablespoon per gallon. This is the concentration used to control most protozoan parasites. To produce a 0.6% solution, use 2 tablespoons per gallon. This is the concentration for salt-resistant Trichodina. To produce a 0.9% solution [...] use 3 tablespoons per gallon."
Earlier in the book as he describes quarantine (both for sick fish, and new fish) he says that the 0.3% solution should be desired. Obviously to kill parasites. Not to mention in another section about wounds and other bacterial infections, he advices you to inject the fish with antibiotics and keep them in a salt bath (:

Finally, it should be done gradually, you should divide the 1 teaspoon/gallon dose in three parts, and add each with 12 hours between to allow the fish to get used to it.

There's more knowledge between my ears than you might think.
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fifi
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 05:07:18 PM »

hi guys - i lost my fish  tonight to swim bladder i had tried evrything you suggested above before  i found this site but he still died, it all happend very quickly - he was fine at dinner time and by tea time he lost his balance and looked very bloated and within 2 hours had died even after the peas and salt. my water was tested a few days ago and was fine, i dont over feed them and the other fish i have all seem happy enough and im keen to keep it this way, is there any preventative measures i can take e.g is there a type of food that is better? i thought i had done everything to keep him healthy - he looked like a lionchu and had the cutest little face, he was about 1 year old when we got him and was quite big so was quite sad to see him go. any help or advice would be appreciated!
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Mindemae
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 05:43:06 PM »

Sorry your fish died... Cry
There may have been something internal going on with him.  Almost sounds like organ failure of some kind...possibly kidneys or liver?
When fish have dropsy they tend to look bloated too and it can be caused by a bacterial infection and must be treated as soon as possible.  There is medicated food you can use.  Check where you purchase you aquatic supplies.  As the condition advances the fish become so bloated the scales pop out hence being called pine cone disease.
One other treatment that will work in some cases is to add 250 mg of Furanace to 1 gallon of water.  Put the fish in this bath for 1 hour and repeat once daily for 2 more days.  Furanace is one of the few medications that can be absorbed through the skin.
It could also be that your fish genetically so to speak was unsound or that he might have sustained some type of internal injury, while rare, it does occur.
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Katarine
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 07:17:36 PM »

I'm sorry to hear your fish died, fifi. My sincerest condolences Smiley
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Katarine
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2010, 12:58:03 AM »

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Katerine: Sweetie (: Dr. Richard E. Hess would beg to differ. On page 64 in his book (Fancy Goldfish, A complete Guide for Care and Collection) you can read about dosing salt in a bath treatment:
"To produce a 0.3% solution, use 1 tablespoon per gallon. This is the concentration used to control most protozoan parasites. To produce a 0.6% solution, use 2 tablespoons per gallon. This is the concentration for salt-resistant Trichodina. To produce a 0.9% solution [...] use 3 tablespoons per gallon."
Earlier in the book as he describes quarantine (both for sick fish, and new fish) he says that the 0.3% solution should be desired. Obviously to kill parasites. Not to mention in another section about wounds and other bacterial infections, he advices you to inject the fish with antibiotics and keep them in a salt bath (:

Finally, it should be done gradually, you should divide the 1 teaspoon/gallon dose in three parts, and add each with 12 hours between to allow the fish to get used to it.

There's more knowledge between my ears than you might think.

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me princess! (sorry.. video game reference), How about this... READ THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE BOX!! Smiley Easiest thing in the world. The box can tell you better than anyone!
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Nossie
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Re: lazy goldfish?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 04:26:43 AM »

I'm not a princess...

And of course! If there are instructions on the pack of medicine or salt or whatever you should follow that as the first thing!
But... umm... why are you acting like this? What did I ever do to you?
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