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4inch oranda
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blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« on: May 25, 2011, 07:48:23 AM »

hi. i have a 70 litre tank.
amonia - 0-0.25
ph-7.4
nitrite- 0
nitrate- 20-40ppm
i have one 4 inch oranda, and 4 one inch orandas in the tank
i have 2 filters, one below water and one above
tank has been set up about a year.
never had any trouble with the fish. all seem happy

yesterday i noticed a small whitish looking blister at the start of his tail(next to body)
he seems happy and acting normal. the other fish are happy.
could somebody help me figure out what it is and how i treat it?
many thanks in advance.
ill try and get a picture of him tonight and post it too.

just read the sticky!
the filters i have are 1) Aqua one 102F -450litres per hour and 2) Fluval mini.
i have no carbon in any of the filters. the mini filter is under water and the big one glides across the top. there is no strong current in the tank.
i do water changes once a week  (20 litres from the 70)
the fish are happy, they are always about the middle of the tank. very rare they go to the top.
they always put on like a dancing show when i come into the room.
the tank is in the corner of the sitting room. not near sunlight or the fire.
ive just done a bit more research. i think its fish lice. could someone tell me if and how do i remove it and what are the causes of fish lice. and will it affect the other fish in the tank?
many thanks
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 10:28:01 AM »

It definately sounds like your fish has a problem! If you could post a photo of the 'blister' that would be nice.

From the information given, the white spot you mentioned does not sound like fish lice to me. Fish lice are green or brown bubble-like paracites that move slowly across the skin's surface; you can see them quite well if you look closely with a magnifying glass.

My best guess (as far as I can tell) is your fish has a spot of ich. Ich usually appears as a white dot around the size of a grain of salt. Sometimes fish just get a speck of it here or there in the beginning, but if the condition continues untreated the white specks will cover your fish and eventually kill it. I would recommend adding a .3% concentration of aquarium salt to the water...3 tablespoons per 10 gallons of water. Pre-disolve the salt in tank water first before adding it in.

You also mentioned that your ammonia level is 0-0.25. If there is a trace ammount of ammonia in the tank, it can cause fish to become more suseptable to disease.

One last thing I would add: according to your info, you have 5 goldfish in an 18 gallon (70 litre) tank. Long term, that is not such a good idea. Goldfish grow quickly and will outgrow the tank. It is recommended to have 10 gallons per goldfish to avoid overcrowding, stress, and too much waste. You may want to consider a larger tank with your goldies best interest in mind.

Hope this helps!
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 03:47:31 PM »

hey, thanks for your help. it was fish lice.
i removed it ten minutes ago with a suction tube. i am now treating the tank with melafix.
he has bit of a mark on his tail where the lice was. it says use it for week so ill see how it goes.
regarding the ich, there is none in the tank. no white spots anywhere.
ammonia is between 0 and 0.25. i also tested my tap water and it reads the same. think it is just the test im using. (API master test, freshwater)
thanks again for your help. much appreciated.
oh yeah, i have all the fish in together for the past year as my other tank split! (dont get me started!lol)
this was my hospital tank. but since the water has been good i havent chaged tanks yet.
im planning on getting a 240 litre tank at christmas so hopefully they wont grow too big in the meantime!
thanks again
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 02:42:47 PM »

Fish lice won't go anywhere if they're treated with Melafix. Melafix is supposed to be "antibacterial". Which it isn't either. If it's actually Argulus, Fish lice, you'll need to treat much more fiercely with a good dose of salt! (Note, iodine free salt)

You're saying that the fish are fine swimming in ammonia? You'll need to start doing bigger water changes more often. You can't keep these poor things in there until christmas!! They'll get stunted, meaning, the fish won't grow, but their internal organs will, you do the maths. Please, please, please, if you can just get the tank already and don't force the fish to stay in that jar :/
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 05:40:08 PM »

Tap water can have ammonia in it as well. I learned that the hard way. You HAVE to get the proper water treatment and do some more water changes. Prime or Amquel works great; regular dechlorinator will not get rid of ammonia. That stuff is fish poison!
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 07:29:48 PM »

ok firstly the ammonia. thats always been there. its the test kit (API MASTER TEST). i do water changes every week sometimes 50% and its still there so im not worrying about it. ive had these fish for well over a year and ive had no problems.
secondly, it WAS FISHLICE. i think id know when i took it off! im not adding salt as it takes the oxygen out of the tank. the melafix is to help heal the wound.
and finally, its not a jar! the fish are quite happy in that TANK.
i have been keeping fish for years and i think i know a little bit about keeping them.
All i asked was for help on the lice/blister situation, not a lecture nossie.
thanks goldiegirl
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 07:52:30 AM »

They are happy for now but soon you will need a 50 gallon tank. the overcrowded tank is causing the ammonia and the ammonia is causing the blisters.
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2011, 08:26:18 AM »

i see you havent read all the messages!
it was lice!!
the ammonia is in my tap water!! nothing to do with overcrowding!
god!! give me strength!
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2011, 02:39:06 PM »

Hey, it's ok, 4inch oranda! Don't get upset!  Sad It sounds like you have ammonia in your tap water to start before you even add it to the tank. That's the way it is where I live - our water is deadly to fish. I'm only saying maybe you should add a water conditioner to get that stuff out of there? It will make your water just pristine for your little friends! Plus, the better your water quality, the faster he'll heal. I'm not trying to lecture you or boss you around...only have your fishies' best interest in mind.  Wink And if I were you (which I'm not, but still) I would add some salt to that tank. It will help your fish heal after all that's happened, and it will not harm your fish so long as you have adiquate oxygenation. I use salt ALL THE TIME for mine, and I wouldn't recommend it if I thought it would hurt your fish.

We're only trying to help you, so please don't get angry. Remember, nobody is forcing you to listen to our advice. We come on here if we need help for some reason, and believe it or not there's usualy room for improvement for all fish keepers. Our passion is to help  others for the sake of their pets.  Smiley

So good luck!
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 05:40:06 PM »

i only wanted advice on the blister situation. why are you giving me advice on ammonia?
just because i get reading of ammonia doesn't mean i dont detoxify it. i use API ammo lock. and i also use salt.
how do i delete my original question? all i asked for was advice on blisters. i know how to keep a fish tank. ive kept it for years.
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2011, 09:21:34 PM »

It's nice to hear that you have experience! Then you should know that the reason ammonia is a concern is because it causes vulnerability to illness and prohibits goldfish from recovering faster. Not to mention it can be deadly even in small quantities. Premium water conditions will help your goldfish heal quickly. That's what you want, right?

Well it's nice you are using the ammo lock. You didn't mention it before, so we couldn't really know... Roll Eyes and plus you made it sound like you were against the salt.  Undecided

Sorry, you can't delete your original question. And in case you forgot, regarding the blister, the advice I gave you (and Nossie as well, who knows a thing or two about fish) was to add some salt to treat the blister and the parasites, BUT...you refused to. So what more do you want to know?  Huh
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ok firstly the ammonia. thats always been there. its the test kit (API MASTER TEST). i do water changes every week sometimes 50% and its still there so im not worrying about it. ive had these fish for well over a year and ive had no problems.
secondly, it WAS FISHLICE. i think id know when i took it off! im not adding salt as it takes the oxygen out of the tank. the melafix is to help heal the wound.
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2011, 03:57:56 AM »

Sorry 4 in oranda

I went to this website and it said that you can use a medicine called Dimlin with mutipule treatments to get rid of eggs and lice.
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Re: blisters(i think) on my four inch oranda
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 07:44:18 AM »

Sorry, man. But the ammonia isn't only from the tap water, if you've kept fish for years, you should know that they need space.
The water gets polluted too fast, and having such a small tank with far too little filtration for 5 goldfish won't cope with all the waste.

Chill out by the way, we're just trying to help.
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