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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2010, 02:54:19 PM »

Here is the web site that has been most helpful to me:

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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2010, 07:36:01 PM »

Well, another 15% water change. (That's the easiest size for me to change. Otherwise I would have to triple up on the bucket parade.) One difference, I'm not a mad scientist. Not yet. st*pid? Yes. I read the directions for the aquarium salt wrong and added way too little last time. Unfortunately, now Bubba and Patrick look bad, but I think as per my understanding from the help I've received here, I will wait a few days before I do anything else. Maybe do some more research and less mucking about. Heck, my fish are probably stressed from the 24" gravel cleaner sucking water out every other day. I would be.

Thanks really to everyone.... of course.... I really do mean really.  Smiley
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2010, 03:50:05 AM »

So you didn't test the water yet at all, did you? Wink
That is what you need to do to know when you have to change the water! Now you skip in there with the gravel cleaner now and then, stressing the fish while a simple water test will decide for you exactly when the water changes need be Smiley So really, get that done, as soon as you can, please!!
Not  to mention that 15% now and then is nothing but stress to the fish, it makes no difference whatsoever in the tank. At least 30 or even 50% each time you do it!! But first, test the water to see if it's even needed. Okay?
And if you dosed the salt wrong, don't wait, but do a large water change and add a new, correct dose! These fish of yours are pretty sick, and the longer you wait with treating, the harder it'll be to get them healthy again Undecided
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2010, 04:16:57 AM »

GEEZ trft, P L E A S E    TEST THIS WATER OF YOURS ASAP
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2010, 11:15:11 AM »

Hi trft,

Mad scientist.  Yeah, you start to feel like Doc in Back to the Future playing with plutonium, and you just wanted a couple goldfish.  That's how I felt too, especially with everyone giving me advice and telling me what to do, and I had no idea what I was doing, and couldn't reason this stuff out on my own and had to rely on this forum.  I have since done some reading, mostly on the internet, and feel like I have a sense of control again.  I have also cured TWO of my goldfish in the past 4 months, and am so happy that they are living a happy peaceful life again.

You really need to do more with your water changes.  I know it seems like a lot of work, but once you start to see your fish getting better, it's a much better feeling than having to flush poor little Bubba or Patrick.  The feeling of success after your fish recover is a great feeling.  You will also start to learn how all this stuff ties in together.

Then once you get your tank in balance again, you won't have to go thru all this work, just a weekly cleaning.

The reason you want to test the water is so that you know how serious the situation is, and how big of a % you need to change.  If you don't have a test kit, here's my advice:  change 60%, fill your tank to 80% full, then do another 50% right away, and fill the tank up to the full line.  And realize that this is not the same as changing 75% of your water in one shot, which would be harmful to your fish.


I got that advice from the web site I mentioned earlier, which will lower nitrates and ammonia, etc. all at one time.  Here's the exact quote:

"Here are a few basics for removal/ prevention of nitrates (I will add to this list over time too)
Water changes; for high nitrate levels changing as much as 60% then filling the aquarium only 80% (this cuts the nitrates in half), followed by a 50% change again which will then have an over all reduction of 75%."


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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2010, 12:25:31 PM »

Unfortunately, I lost one goldish (Patrick) last night. I've raised the temp.  And this afternoon I will raise it again. I will go to the store and buy some melafix, but imo the is no "mela" to fix. I see nothing wrong with my goldfish other than indication of stress with clamped fins. That's enough, I think, presuming that they have been stressed for a week. I have changed water, approx 15%, three recorded times since 11-14. Maybe more. The next change I will change 50%. I've tested the water 7 times since I initially posted. Nitrates continue to be a problem.

I dissected the deceased goldfish. I saw no wiggling parasites, and I did take pictures. I do not know if it is appropriate to put the pictures up here. I searched the site for autopsy and found nothing.

I know I am being defensive here. I think that is guilt/reaction to losing one of my goldfish.

Numbers today before adding Nitraban:

nitrate  40
nitrite     0
GH      soft
CHO       0
KH       200
PH          8
Am         0

These are dry strip numbers, and they will have to do until the Freshwater Master Test Kit arrives.

Sorry for such a downer.
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2010, 12:37:57 PM »

Why are you raising the temp on your tank?  What exactly is the temperature in the tank?
I would increase aeration if possible.  I seriously think your nitrates got too high and might have been poisoning the fish.
Remember that goldfish are coldwater fish and prefer a temperature of 65F-70F.  Although I keep my orandas at 72F.
Remember also that warmer water has less dissolved oxygen in it than cooler water so if you raise the temperature you have to increase aeration via an air pump with an air stone, bubbler, wand of some kind. Smiley
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2010, 01:46:56 PM »

First thanks. The reason I decided to raise the tank temperature is (1) because I read somewhere on the internet it would be good for sick goldfish (2) And I need to find out if raising the heater will effect my temperature. I think my room temp is having a bigger affect than my heater. My thermometer in the tank is reading 65.  So it's just another factor that I need to understand in my setting.

You brought up aeration. My three remaining gold fish spend most of there time on the side of the tank away from the Emperor 400 filter that makes plenty of bubbles top down. (Also I should note the quiet side is generally where I feed them.) Should I get an air pump and an aerator for the other side? OR do Gold fish need some place in the tank where things are still?

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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2010, 01:55:20 PM »

I keep my water at 77F, but really, nothing higher unless you have good filtration and aeration in your tank! I'm running two filters and a big air stone in my tank to make sure they get enough oxygen Smiley
You really shouldn't meddle with the temperature unless it's absolutely necessary, that will only stress the fish! Sad
And if you have 40ppm of nitrates, you should really change more! 15% won't do anything! At least 50%, since water changes are diluting the nitrates. Think of them as red liquid, the more fresh water you add, the thinner will the red liquid be Wink

Add: It is good for sick fish with warmer water, BUT warmer water will carry less oxygen at the same time as the fish will need more oxygen, in other words, pretty bad when it comes to sick fish. If you don't have an air stone, you really shouldn't go and heat the water too much.

An air stone won't be creating currents in the tank, but surface agitation, which will make for more oxygen in the water. Not to mention that air stones, tubing and air pumps are very cheap Wink A good investment when it comes to goldfish!!
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2010, 01:58:38 PM »

I have two filters running and a big bubble wand or stone in the tank also.
Goldfish use up alot of oxygen especially in an overcrowded tank.
You want to create a greater gas exchange by moving water at the surface of the tank, where the gas exchange takes place.
I wouldn't worry too much about the turbulence.  Goldfish seem to love the bubbles!
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2010, 03:20:33 PM »

Turns out it wasn't that hard, and I did a 50% water change. I added some aquarium salt and some Nitraban. I'm out of chemical test strips, except for ammonia (currently 0), and have the Freshwater Master Test Kit shipping today. My fish look great! I waiting back from a friend of mine who's company Limnetics specializes in aeration.  And certainly I would like to find a test kit for how much oxygen is in the water, that is, if it is not too expensive.

Ahhh, the good life of happy fish!
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2010, 04:16:38 PM »

That's great news!  Congratulations, and keep it up  Grin
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2010, 04:47:50 PM »

There are oxygen tests available, but if I remember it right, it's a kind of "machine". So yes, it's expensive, and really not useful for anything than curing curiosity Wink There will be enough oxygen in the water if you have good circulation provided by filters and air stones Smiley One or two should be enough Cheesy
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2010, 05:26:23 PM »

Yea, I looked. They're expensive indeed. I think another filter, probably the Emperor 200 or 400 and bubbler will do.  Smiley
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Re: Bubba - a 6" goldfish
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2010, 10:32:41 AM »

Most likely! Smiley
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