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totaqui
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Concerned about my Pearlscale
« on: February 10, 2010, 07:49:08 PM »

I seem to be having a problem with my pearlscale goldfish. There are some red ulcer-like growths on his face. This is the second I've seen this happen. The last time it showed, I poured a small amount of salt solution into the tank through the filter. By the next day, it cleared up. But it has come up again; I repeated the same action I took last time and nothing seems to be working. I have attached a video to show the problem. Can someone help me?
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 08:34:43 PM »

Is it red ulcers or red sores? Does the area seem to be bleeding at all? Are there any other red area like that anywhere else like at the end of the tail. It looks like red sores from the picture.  Red sores are often indicative of a bacterial infection that can be caused by the bacteria Columnaris or Aeromonas and can be treated with a salt dip followed by treatment with antibacterial medication.
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totaqui
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 08:58:24 PM »

Hi, thank you for replying. I wasn't too sure what they were so thats why I called them "ulcer-like". But in my view, yes they look like sores. Its like a bump with redness around it. There is no other red area like that anywhere else on his body. There have been no bleeding at all. They had appeared once before and all in the same area; on his head. I did give a treatment of salt solution earlier today so I'll just have to wait and see. But my question to you is, can it also affect the other fish? He is the only on e I've seen with the problem. I've posted another pic, I hope it helps to see the problem a bit more clearly. And in case you're wondering what types of fish I have, there is a black moor, oranda, fantail, female beta, pleco and the pearlscale; all totalling six. I had another female beta, but she died last week.
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 09:30:53 PM »

Bacterial infection, which this could be the case, can be transmitted to other fish if their immune system is comprised by stress (i.e. overcrowding, poor water conditions, etc..).  If you're afraid your pearlscale could infect your other fish, you can try isolating it and treating it in a separate hospital tank.
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 10:06:12 PM »

I've been using a product called "Stress Zyme" by API in the tank. I started using it after the first incident with the sores breakout. If so, then I could possible say that it is poor water quality. I've also been using a tap water conditioner every time I change the water, so what could it be in the water that is making him sick?
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 11:24:37 PM »

Have you checked the levels of ammonia, nitrite, nitrates, and the ph and hardness of your water lately?
The red sores could be from high ammonia levels.  Also, just curious how big is your tank? For 6 fancy goldfish you need a minium of 10 gallons per fish.
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 11:33:40 PM »

I'm kinda new to the whole taking care of fish thing, so can you give me an example of how to check for the pH levels etc? Plus, the tank is a 5 1/2 gallon tank and there are six of them in the tank as I mentioned earlier. But they are all small fish; the biggest, which is the black moor, is about 3 inches.
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010, 12:05:43 AM »

First of all your accomodations for your fish are way too small! Shocked
Goldfish give off alot of ammonia just breathing.  If ammonia levels are high it can actually damage your goldfish's gills and also physically burn them.  If I had to guess I would say your water conditions are poor and your goldfish is suffering from that!  You can get a water test kit at your favorite aquatic pet store.  You might want to think of upgrading to a bigger tank.  Those fish at 3 inches are pretty big and will grow even larger!
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 04:47:18 AM »

Buy a test kit first, and test everything to see if it's okay. Treat the sick fish with salt or medicines for this kind of wounds.
I have a few pieces of advice for you on how to keep your water quality as good as possible!

pH and KH is adjusted with a kind of pH-KH buffer. Don't know if you have them combined in America, but I'm using one as of now. If you don't have, just buy one of each. KH is important because it will keep the pH stable for a longer period!

Nitrites can be taken care of through a water change (of 70% of the water), by getting some live plants or by adding some chemicals against that too. I'm using something called "Nitrivec" (sera) everytime I change the water. It contains beneficial bacteria that take care of the harmful nitrites. Or a salt bath. 1 teaspoon per gallon split in three doses given one  in 12 hour intervals. This will reach a concentration of 0.3%. However, this won't help in the long term (unlike plants or buffers) but it will help your fish get through a rise of nitrites.

Nitrates can be taken care of with a water change, but it's usually in aquariums without live plants to consume the nitrate. So getting a few live plants might help here as well!

Ammonia is usually present in new aquariums where the beneficial bacteria still hasn't been established. It can cause ammonia burns, wounds and blackness on the fish's skin. This can be dealt with by frequent water changes (70% of the water), by feeding sparingly and by decreasing the fish population a bit. Make sure that your biological filter is working correctly so it can remove ammonia and other harmful things in the water.

And I think ammonia might be your problem. Small tank + lots of fish + overfeeding = too much ammonia.
But as adviced earlier, test your water and see for sure what might be the problem! If you want to know more about either of these parameters, just ask (: (about symptoms on the fish, reasons, how to get rid of it)
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 09:20:56 AM »

change your water.. and put some rock salt.. and take off the pebbles. the parasite and bacteria can be hide in your pebbles
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010, 04:12:45 PM »

It could be hole in the head disease.. Thats just my theory though. I read somewhere that ulcers can form prior to the infection getting byond control.... Ill try and find that article again...
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 04:11:20 AM »

I've read about hole in the head as well! Fish with headgrowth are most prone to it, such as orandas, ranchus, lionheads...
But I didn't read that much in detail about it. Wasn't it some parasites involved?
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 10:38:35 AM »

This is what it says on here about hole in the head disease.

Hole in the Head Disease


This disease often starts as small sores on the head around the eye area. These sores than later develop into tubular eruptions that has a yellow or cream-colored mucus. One of the causes of this disease is thought to be poor water quality, so it is important to perform regular water changes.
 
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 03:17:42 PM »

There we go. How long have these sores been there?
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totaqui
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2010, 12:03:18 PM »

Hi, the sores were there only for about two to three days or so. Acutally, I took some of the advice that I was receiving on this blog and I'm glad to say that Bubba is better now. I posted a pic below to show you. I placed him in a separate tank and I had went out and bought some meds by the name of "Melafix" and treat him for a few days with it. I also treated the other fish too. Although I'm now getting into this, I now realize I have alot to learn about them; its more to it than just feeding them and watching them grow. My pleco "George" died the following day after I posted my first blog. I later found out that he doesn't tolerate salt; so basically I killed him in the process of trying to treat my pearlscale with the salt solution. I cleaned tank and filter THROUGHLY; even the gravel that I was advised about and I am trying to see if I can get a bigger tank soon. He is back to behaving just as bad like the rest of my goldfishes, especially when its feeding time. I'll post a video soon to show you. I thank you guys for your support. I'll try to keep you posted on my progress.
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Re: Concerned about my Pearlscale
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2010, 11:27:13 PM »

Im glad to hear your fish is better, and im sorry to hear your fish died. for future reference, goldfish are freshwater fish, but just a LITTLE aquarium salt helps gill function (1 tsp for 5 gal of water i believe). only tropical fish can tolerate high concentrations of salt. Smiley
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