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Bubbles, food and water changing...
« on: June 02, 2010, 08:19:48 AM »

Hello,

so, I have lost one goldie recently. And I need to know what went wrong.
One of the reasons of that could be her weak condition yet in petshop. She was obviously less active than another goldfish from the very beginning. But that could be shock as well. So, I have couple of questions.

1. Do I change 10% of water every couple of weeks or 25% as it is recommended on Tetra website? Every time I change the water I must add there a conditioner, right? What is worse - to overdoze or underdoze with that?

2. Couple of days ago I found lots of bubbles around the filter on the surface. It was like a light foam. I took that away but what could that be? I suspect that the level of water was less than usual and the water coming from the filtertop whipped the foam.

3. Is it normal that the fish eats bubbles. It looks very funny - he eats it and then makes some... But is it normal?

4. He lacks couple of scales. I think he had all of them before. He might rubbed them off against the rock, though.

5. And the last question. Menu. Now once a day I give him a pea. He likes it. Second meal is flakes. What else can you recommend  for little red cap oranda? I heard they like orange. And how long can peas stay in fridge? I mean I bought them frozen, then I defrosted some and put it in plastic container with lid. But for how long it is good? Untill it smells okey or just two three days? What kind of worms would you recommend? They did not have any blood-worms in pet-shop.

6. This morning I found a bug swimming on the surface of the tank and my fish making rounds around it. I took the bug away immediately, but I think - could the fish swallow that bug and what would be the consequences?

Sorry for long post. Thank you.
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 09:17:07 AM »

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Hello,

so, I have lost one goldie recently. And I need to know what went wrong.
One of the reasons of that could be her weak condition yet in petshop. She was obviously less active than another goldfish from the very beginning. But that could be shock as well. So, I have couple of questions.

1. Do I change 10% of water every couple of weeks or 25% as it is recommended on Tetra website? Every time I change the water I must add there a conditioner, right? What is worse - to overdoze or underdoze with that?

Test you water for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates once a week and do a water change according to the levels.  If your tank is cycled them you should have zero ammonia and zero nirites, which are both harmful to the fish.  If the nitrates are 40ppm or below then a 10 percent water change is fine...rinse your filter media in tank water that you syphoned from the tank at the time of the water change.  If your nitrates are higher than 40ppmthen you want to do a bigger water change.  Nitrates are not harmful to fish unless they get real high.  If they ever are high you might want to do as much as a 50-75% change.  Always rinse your filter in tank water so as not to disturb the ecosytem of your tank by killing off beneficial bacteria. Yes, you want to add water conditioner with every water change.  You want to add only the amount of water condtioner it says for the new water being added to the tank.  In other words if you take out 10 gallons of water then you want to add water conditioner for ten gallons of water.

2. Couple of days ago I found lots of bubbles around the filter on the surface. It was like a light foam. I took that away but what could that be? I suspect that the level of water was less than usual and the water coming from the filtertop whipped the foam.

Foam might be from the chemistry of your water.  Not sure what it was.  Best to check your water parameters.

3. Is it normal that the fish eats bubbles. It looks very funny - he eats it and then makes some... But is it normal?

Yeah normal!

4. He lacks couple of scales. I think he had all of them before. He might rubbed them off against the rock, though.

Spring is spawning time for fish so he might have rubbed off scales while playing the chase spawning game.  Also, fish will rub on items when they are irratated by the water chemistry being off.

5. And the last question. Menu. Now once a day I give him a pea. He likes it. Second meal is flakes. What else can you recommend  for little red cap oranda? I heard they like orange. And how long can peas stay in fridge? I mean I bought them frozen, then I defrosted some and put it in plastic container with lid. But for how long it is good? Untill it smells okey or just two three days? What kind of worms would you recommend? They did not have any blood-worms in pet-shop.
You can feed him bits of the pulp of the orange.  The peas you can leave in the freezer and only take out a couple that you are going to immediately feed to your fish.  Just run them under water for a few seconds and pop them out of their skin and their good to go.  As far as other foods to feed your fish, look in the dry food section where you buy your flakes for bloodworms, shrimp, tubafix worms and pelleted fish food.  Omega One is a great fish food, and Aqueon also makes a great product...in that they are well balanced. Another food goldfish love is the bottom feeder tablets for algae eaters.  1 would probably be too big for one fish so you could break them in half.

6. This morning I found a bug swimming on the surface of the tank and my fish making rounds around it. I took the bug away immediately, but I think - could the fish swallow that bug and what would be the consequences?

Well probably would also be a tasy snack for your fish.  When I find flies that have snuck in the house I drop them in my tank.  My fish go crazy for them!

Sorry for long post. Thank you.
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 04:41:32 PM »

That is an answer! Thank you. Love the part about flies.
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 04:46:24 PM »

I forgot to ask one thing, not the last, I am sure.
Last time (and it was first time) when I used siphon to take water off the tank I was concerned not to suck the fish into the open end. Shall I take the fish off the tank while that procedure?

And another question... When the tank lid is on a condensation appears on its inner side. It is very warm outside. I keep it off most of the time, but do I have any risk that the fish can jump out?
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 05:13:46 PM »

I think it would be more stressful to the fish to take them out of the tank every time you clean it.  Point your syphon end into the gravel.  That way when you lift the other end out and into the bucket it will vacuum your gravel.  Fish wastes will accumilate under the gravel so you need to stir it up a bit as you syphon water out of your tank and get the pieces of waste out.   As you "vacuum you shouldn't have any worries that you will suck up a fish.
There is a danger of fish jumping out with the lid off your tank.  the condesation is actually good and will actually help cool the water as it drips back into the tank.  When you clean the tank once a week also clean off the lid of the tank inside.  That will make sure that it is clear so that the light can easily get to the plants growing in the tank.
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 09:40:37 PM »

Thank you again, Mindemae!
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 09:54:43 PM »

Oh you are most welcome! Smiley
Also, save the water that you syphon out of your tank and water your flowers, plants, shrubs with it.  The water is rich in nitrates which plants love!  Free fertilizer manufactured by your fish friends! Wink
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 12:33:48 AM »

Mindemae: You feed your fish flies??? I have never thought of that, bet the fish like it but poor fly Tongue I have a Venus Fly Trap to do that anyway. But it sounds like a good idea.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 01:52:59 AM »

There's another reason it would be good to save some of the tank water, rinsing the filter media can and should only be done with dechlorinated tank water! Otherwise, the beneficial bacteria may be disturbed.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 07:32:51 AM »

Andrea,
LOL! yes, I do feed them flies.  It's a special treat and they love it.
You say poor flies that the fish eat, well what about the venus fly trap?  What would be the difference between a fish and plant eating flies? Wink
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 07:39:00 AM »

Igor,
You know what is another great treat for goldfish? Earthworms!!  You can dig them up in your yard, look for them under rocks etc.  You need to rinse them off real well before feeding to the goldfish.  If your fish is too small to handle a whole worm you may need to chop it up a bit.  The best part is that it is free food and good for the fish too! Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 11:57:00 AM »

I don't think I'd personally feel comfortable feeding my fishies bugs because so many people around here use pesticides, and who knows what the bugs have gotten into.  But peas, lettuce (they eat what they can and rip up the rest for later!) and shredded carrots are favorites.  They were eyeing some parsley I was chopping, but I don't know if they can eat that.
Mindemae, I'm glad you have a strong enough stomach to chop up worms! Wink  I'm sure they love it, but I personally had enough of worm dissection in high school!
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 02:54:43 PM »

I fed some banana to my fish recently, they seemed to enjoy it. They were tearing it like hungry dogs.

I wouldn't mind trying to feed my fish some earthworms or something, but I'm a bit worried about illness (:
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 10:21:38 PM »

Whow! Guys. I didn't even suspect that this little fish is such a glutton. He just swallowed a fly in one bite. Funny. It gives my fish more... I don't know, aliveness, you know.  Great. I will definitely look for some earthworms, Mindemae. Thank you for advice. 
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 05:22:02 AM »

Mindemae: Nothing Tongue Haha poor fly in both situations. But with the Venus Fly Trap I'm not physically catching the fly, it's up to the plant to it's own dirty work.
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2010, 05:45:11 AM »

Igor:: I would actually suggest that you'd wait a bit with the earth worms until you'll be more experienced with your fish, just so that you could easily spot illness or other problems that may be caused by live foods that have been caught in your yard. There's always the risk that they'd carry something harmful, and you need to stay alert if that's the case!
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2010, 08:38:36 AM »

Make sense!
Even without earthworms I learned here enough alternative food for my fish. So to summarize the list. Besides normal (from Pet Shop) fool like flakes or pellets gold fish will love to have:
- peas
- orange
- bananas
- flies 
- earthworms (with some caution)

Anything else?
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2010, 09:39:42 AM »

Here are some more fine foods to try on your fish!

Chopped fine:

califlower
Spinach
Broccoli
Red Leaf Lettuce
soft semi cooked carrots
cooked beans (grean, navy, pinto, etc.)  high in protein and the fish love them
shrimp (frozen or canned)
clams (frozen or canned)
mussels (frozen or canned)
fish
lobster
crabmeat
oysters
ground beef (raw)
beef heart or liver ( raw, not too often and not too much)
potato (cooked)
egg yolk (cooked)

Any frozen herbivore or carnivore cube packets from your aquatic supply store.




I guess rule of thumb is feed only as a treat when you have any of this for your own meal, (with the exception of the frozen food cubes from the aquatic store, LOL!  Cheesy),  but BEFORE adding any spices!!!  Keep it plain and natural and rinse first before feeding, please! Wink 
Goldfish eat just about anything but feed in extremely small amounts.  
If a mosquito lands on my arm, I swat it and throw it to the fish... they LOVE those too! Smiley

I have fish that are over 11 years old now and they enjoy a variety of food.  I have always believed in supplimenting their diet with "natural" food options.  Don't try anythig your uncomfortable with and do not over feed with any of these foods.  You know how big the fly was that your fish ate?  Well that is the size of any of these new foods to feed.  Just a bite or two as a treat!  Any uneaten natural foods left in the tank will foul the water.  I usually hand feed my fish which I taught with bits of oranges.  Now they take anything out of my finger tips.  I feel feeding natural treats gives a fish more vibrance in life and color.  As long as you monitor your water quality really well, feeding any of these foods should not be a problem.  Have fun! Smiley

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2010, 10:01:23 AM »

Nicole,
If your fish are 6 inches or more they probably could handle a whole earthworm and you wouldn't have to chop it up. Grin
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2010, 10:04:51 AM »

Thank you for your time and very helpful advices. I like that forum!
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Re: Bubbles, food and water changing...
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2010, 04:33:03 AM »

HI GUYS,

I am a bit slow lately, but ours they LOVE     W A T E R M E L O N.  Will try strawberries too.  Wink

But I get goosebumps thinking of flies and earthworms....... iiiiiiiiyuckiiiii  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2010, 08:35:23 AM »

Hi Hanna!
Where ya been?  How's Hump and Hesp doing?
We miss you! Smiley

I forgot to add cucumber and zucchini.  My fish do not care for these two but I've heard other peoples fish just love them!  I've also heard people feeding finely chopped apple but I never have tried that.  Watermelon and strawberries sounds delicious!  What fish could resist all that sweetness.  Wonder if high fructose fruit would make them gain weight?  Probably for fish it might be like us eating candy?  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2010, 07:11:07 PM »

Yeah, missed you all too  Wink
been soooo busy at the shop that when I came home I started to cook with already my eyes shut and sleeping, lol....
.... 2 weeks ago we had a record week with over $ 60.000 sales..... Tongue

Humpsi and Hepsi are doing well, as I mentioned a few days ago, I put them on a diet, not too much food and they just are crazy wiggling and looking at me ALL day when I am home, trying to suck me in and giving more, LOL Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2010, 07:16:13 PM »

Well, I believe because they are swimming all day it shouldn,t affect them too much as they do not get it every day.
Hump and Hep do not fancy zucchini and cucumbers too much, but they eat it because its green, lol.  Grin

They also teared apart the Aluminium Plant I bought 3-4 weeks ago. The only plant they leave alone is the Dwarf Anubias on the pot.

..... see the 10 Goldfish Rules...
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2010, 10:52:22 PM »

Wow! congrats on the great sales!  What kind of shop is it?  I can't remember if you mentioned it before?

Yeah, I know about fish eating plants!! My lilies are up and growing in the big pond and I think I see some nibbles out of the leaves already! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2010, 03:31:24 AM »

Thanks, it is an Optometry practice: Specsavers.

Just unwinding now with a few pumpkin-scones and a stubbie. Should have seen our fishies eyeing those scons, lol.
Wonder if they would eat pumpkin?
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2010, 04:01:16 AM »

I tried cucumber once too, but they didn't care for it in the least! d: They just went right back to bother the poor plant... xD I removed it months ago since it was nothing but a stick standing out of the gravel! D:

Hanna, did you try banana? Cheesy Mine were tearing those just like the plant! xD
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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 06:20:44 AM »

Nossie, I didn't but I will.
Will keep you updated how they like that one,  Cheesy
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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2010, 09:48:44 AM »

Hanna,
Yum! Pumpkin scones you say?  I'm drooling here with my sad little cup of tea! Grin
I LOVE scones!  Blueberry are good too!  But what is a "stubbie"?  Cheesy
At the moment I'm attempting to make strawberry rhubarb crisp. 

It is so strange now only having the one oranda tank.  The big empty tank in the living room is bare Sad
I actually walked over there to feed the fish today! LOL!  Then remembered they were out in the pond.
Everyone seems to be adjusting to pond living really well now. Wink
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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2010, 01:24:26 PM »

Mine love cucumber.  I put a slice in the fish clip and they go nuts!  Mostly they eat out the squishy middle. Smiley
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