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Pandaa
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Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« on: June 03, 2010, 07:57:24 PM »

hello all,

I have a 30 gallon thank with a good biological penguin 400 filter.  I have 6 oranda goldfish in there.  I know it is alot and plan on getting a bigger thank.

My problem is that I had the tank and the fish for 4 weeks and never cycled.  I changed the water 20% every week. My ammonia level is getting higher to about 4.0ppm and my nitrite and nitrate isn't present.  I also have two biowheels working.

Does anyone recommend me buying any solution to get the bacteria to grow?  Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2010, 08:15:08 PM »

The reason your tank isn't cycling is because you have overstocked your tank and the ammonia eating bacteria cannot keep up with the overload of waste build up.  The best thing to do is to remove some of the goldfish to a different tank.  Otherwise you will have to do water changes daily.  API stresszyme is the bacteria booster I use.
You can add it right to your filter.
Good Luck.
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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2010, 09:54:03 PM »

Thanks for responding Mindemae.   I can't get another tank for another few months until I settled with my new house.

I hope my orandas will survive.  They seem fine now.   I have a gravel tank.  Should I buy something like decorations so the bacteria can grow on them.  I try that stress api and pour in on my biowheel. 

Should I get ammolock or ammochips?

Thanks

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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2010, 10:13:00 PM »

You could try zeolite which will absorb some of the ammonia in the tank.  If you do decide to go with zeolite then do not add any aquarium salt to your water.  Ammonia block is good to use but it will give you a high or "false" reading when you test your water for ammonia presence.  Personally I would add some zeolite to the filter media if you can.
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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 03:57:32 AM »

Remember that the Oranda is one of the biggest varieties in the goldfish world, they easily reach 12 inches in length, so get them a bigger tank as soon as you can! Otherwise you'll be having trouble with sick fish and water quality problems the rest of their shortened lives. Think 20 gallons for the first fish and add 10 for each additional fish, in other words, you need a 70 gallon, or two 30-40 gallon tanks running at once. Maybe you should give some of your fish back to the pet store or to someone else if you're not ready for this?
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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 10:09:57 AM »

Nossie,
Good idea, that's what I was thinking...the part about taking (at least 3 fish) back to the pet shop.  I wish people would cycle  their tanks before adding fish, tho!  It is so stressful to the fish!  Just because they act fine now doesn't mean that the high ammonia hasn't compromised their health that you can't visably see right now.  Like damaged gill and gill function or other internal organs, which will shorten their lives in the long run.  Sad
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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 11:43:31 AM »

Yeah... There's a reason why the grass dies when someone urinates on it d:
It'd be cool if people would bother getting at least half the knowledge about fish that they'd get about dogs for example if they'd get a puppy! Fish need care too, and they can be incredibly rewarding to keep (:

I thought I'd take it rather slow with my tank once it comes, adding a bit of water from their current tanks + fresh tap water and letting it get ready for my fish (: At least past the worst ammonia spikes.
Good thing my fish are still so small though! Cheesy So they won't be putting too much of pressure on the filter.
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Re: Newbie Worried- didn't cycle- have orandas in there for three weeks :(
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 10:09:42 PM »

I agree, I learned here too, that it is so much different to keep goldfish.
Not like they advise in pet stores... I think I mentioned when we got Hump and Hep, they said they'll be fine in a 5 l tank, this is about 1 gallon to keep it simple.
After 3 days the water was murky brown and cloudy. Immediately I reacted, we got the tank we have now, kept an eye on water quality all the time.

I do use API Stresszyme too. And very important ( as mentioned before in other threads for many times ) good filtration and aeration.
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