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Bumps on body of goldfish
« on: November 25, 2011, 11:26:27 AM »

I have an outside fish pond, approx. 700 gallons. Have had it for several years and the fish therein. There are 7 goldfish and a Koi. One of the goldfish suddenly has developed bumps on it's body - they look like pimples and they are getting more and more numerous. We are in North Carolina and the pond is outside.  Any ideas?  Thanks
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 02:12:27 PM »

Hello Katfish.  Smiley Can you try to describe the bumps a bit more in detail, or better yet, submit some photographs of the problem? Are the bumps clear and filled with fluid, or are they bloody and open like an ulcer? Do they resemble white grains of salt sprinkled on your goldfish, or are they fluffier and protruding like a tumor? When we know more details about the problem, it is easier for us to diagnose it. Either way. The first thing I would do is isolate the sick fish so the illness doesn't spread. Most fish keepers have a quarentine tank - a tank that is pre-cycled and used to heal sick fish in. We also quarentine fish so other fish don't pick on/bully the sick one. Once you have him separated it is easier to take photos. You could also try adding a concentration of salt as a precaution...3 tablespoons per 10 gallons of water. Use a natural, non-iodized sea salt or special aquarium salt and pre-disolve it in a cup of tank water. This will reduce the chance of giving your goldfish burns.

Please give us further details when you can!

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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 02:28:58 PM »

Thanks for your reply. I tried to take a picture, but of course the fish is hiding. Will keep trying.
The bumps look like a pimple and they are random all over the body - seem to be more
each day.

Will try the salt idea. Wish I knew what it was or more importantly if it is contagious. This is a pretty big fish and I don't have a holding tank for it.

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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 04:32:31 PM »

A salt solution of 0.3% should work for most problems, I recently healed some smaller wounds on my moor and they went away in a few days with that dosage Wink One tablespoon per gallon of water. It's quite a lot in a big tank or a pond, which is part of the reason why it's a good idea to keep the fish in a smaller tank, a 20 gallon should be an okay quarantine tank even for bigger fish!

Pimples, you say? Are they sort of whitish? And are they separately and on random places or more like clusters of them?
As soon as you get a photo, please upload Smiley I know it's hard to photograph fish though Wink
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 11:35:17 AM »

Katfish: Glad to hear you are going to dose with salt.  Smiley It really does help many unknown ailments. If you don't have a proper tank, even a large tupperware container would do in the mean-time while you need to medicate. It is essential to isolate sick fish for the very reason - that the illness could very well be contagious.  Undecided

Nossie: I had once read somewhere - and have since always thought - that a .3% salt solution required 3 tablespoons of salt per 10 gallons (hence the 3 in the formula). Just wondering about your input regarding this potentially inacurate information.  Smiley
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 11:48:40 AM »

Went to the place we bought the fish several years ago and he consulted a fish book and
we found a picture that pretty well represents what mine has and it said they were cysts and could not be cured, but they are not contagious. However, if the fish dies you must remove it ASAP before the other fish start chewing on it, or they could possibly get the problem.

He also said that sale in the water was only to get rid of parasites.  Huh

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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 12:44:54 PM »

Goldiegirl: I'm pretty sure that the dosage is correct, I've double and triple checked the book I found it in (the section on treatments is written by a vet, so... Smiley), it say exactly that the dosage is one tablespoon per gallon for the 0.3% solution and 2, 3 tablespoons for .6% respectively .9% Smiley The same dose is also mentioned through the book so I doubt it would be a typo... (However, I am very bad at maths, so I couldn't calculate the correct dosage for you here... xD) It seems to make sense to me though since one US gallon is 3,79 liters and one tablespoon is 15 milliliters?

Katfish: Salt is working like a tonic for goldfish, not only does it kill parasites, but it also protects the gills and the slimecoat of the fish Smiley And as I have mentioned a few times in other threads, I have treated fungus and also added salt while healing wounds on the fish. It simply wouldn't hurt adding the salt Smiley
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 02:25:29 PM »

Yup, Nossie's right. Salt is a wonderful, all-natural healing agent which helps many, many problems.

Nossie: Tanks for that information and clearing that up. Obviously not all information found on random websites is 100% accurate...though I learn much from online sources. A nice goldfish book is a wonderful thing to have on hand I bet! Most of the ones I check out from the library are old and outdated. I'd love to ge a copy of The Fancy Goldfish book. <3
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2011, 04:35:54 AM »

Try! Wink Just now they've lowered the price on it in the shops here, so you might get lucky! Smiley
I've had it for as long as I had my own goldfish, so that's where I learned the proper stocking levels and plenty about parasites etc! Smiley
(But they're not mentioning hydrogen peroxide, which I'd like to learn some more about)
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2011, 12:06:04 PM »

Hmm well there's something I should put on my Christmas list then! The last time I looked online it was about $120...you could buy a whole lotta fish for that kind of money. But the preview I pulled up did look like a pretty amazing book, plus I currently only have fancy goldfish  Wink

Lol now about the peroxide - THAT is a trick I found on some website and improved upon the techniques in my own fishkeeping experience. For those who haven't noticed, I'm really into natural ways of healing various goldfish illnesses...I used to use medications purchased at pet stores and found that many times they only caused more issues by destroying my good bacteria and making my ammonia and nitrite levels sky-rocket...something that was often times fatal to my fish.

I think this was the website where I found info about the peroxide, but maybe not. Either way it has great info regarding the use of natural means to heal goldfish (i.e. salt, peroxide, garlic, etc...)
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2011, 04:24:19 PM »

I got it for about 30 and now they lowered it to 26 if I remember it correctly Smiley It's definitely a useful book, very in-depth and has tons of new information even after years of fish-keeping Smiley I sometimes flip through mine and read a chapter or two and I understand them in a completely different way now that I know better how everything works Cheesy

I'll definitely check that site out! I'm a lot more interested in using the same kind of medications as well since I've noticed what a wonder-tonic salt is! Cheesy And I also find that the medicines at pet shops generally could do more harm than good.. In one of my books they mentioned that there are newer strains of pathogens that are immune to some of the stronger antibiotics, and they will increase if people will keep dumping medicines into tanks the way they do.
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2011, 04:54:47 AM »

I found the Fancy Goldfish book on Amazon from other sellers for 20, I intend to buy it as soon as I have some extra cash Grin

It's not too pricey on the American site either (I think your in the USA Goldie?)
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Thanks for the website too GoldieGirl! I think natural healing is the way to go, before shoving any medicines in the water Smiley
I did buy this stuff called 'Fish Safe' in the beginning, which your supposed to use in-between water changes (their suggestion was a water change once every two weeks >.>) it apparently "Treats the goldfish's water to keep it healthy by removing ammonia and adding a tonic salt that also acts as a pH buffer. Comes complete with a measuring cap and pipette, plus a comprehensive guide on caring for your goldfish." but I stopped using it.
I didn't see what good adding chemicals to the water would do, when surely just doing a water change instead would be so much better!  Cheesy (I should also scan their so called 'comprehensive' guide, it's pretty un-helpful XD)

Plus how good are these 'prevent your fish becoming ill' products anyway? Surely their un-needed?
In fact it's pretty much summed up in this phrase I came across once 'If you take care of the water, the water will take care of your fish'  Smiley
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2011, 05:47:38 AM »

I'd love to laugh at the Comprehensive goldfish guide Grin Scan it! Grin

Preventive chemicals will do close to nothing, and the ones that work usually contains more natural ingredients anyway! There's nothing a bottle of crap can do that a water change can't! The most important part of keeping fish is to keep the water quality good and provide enough space for them to swim and grow, but most people overlook that fact and think that somehow feeding them is most important, according to keeping other animals I guess. All you need to do to keep a cat is to feed it, for instance. (Cleaning the litter box is too obvious, you can't see the dirt in the water at all.)

I'm pretty amazed how fast you're learning, Skwishee! It's really nice to see someone so interested and passionate about their fish Wink
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2011, 06:31:07 AM »

Aww thank you Nossie, that's so kind of you to say!

But really most of what I've learnt in the past 3 months, has been learning from you guys and typing things endlessly into Google! I read what people put here, then I go and look things up on other websites. I feel it's important to get my knowledge from multiple sources, to not only listen to peoples experience but to research things myself and see what I think about them Smiley

I've always been pretty passionate about animals, I would literally own a petting zoo if I could! But since learning about marine animals over the past few years (fish cropped up a lot in my illustration projects) I just enjoy learning about goldfish!

My partner would like Ferrets some day, so I was like 'I could research them like I have for goldfish!' but I got pretty bored after one website and went back to learning about fish  Cheesy
I'm easily addicted to things, so I tend to get a little obsessed sometimes XD

You should see the word document I made for my Goldfish Haven Project! Haha I spent ages researching and making that! Maybe I'll post it sometime, if anyone wants to see an endless list of aquariums and filters, decoration ideas, stocking.... XD

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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2011, 06:39:04 AM »

That sounds pretty awesome! I never collected information on goldfish on a paper, I just remember it myself OR I memorize where to find it Wink

I'd kill for a guinea pig.... as soon as I have the space.. as soon as I have the space... *__*
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2011, 06:51:27 AM »

Agh I want a guinea pig too! But my partner thinks their boring XD

I used to have hamsters when I was little, so a guinea pig to me is like a giant hamster that lives longer Cheesy
Maybe when I have the money and space I shall have two little guinea pigs!

Plus I found it easier to put everything in Word, otherwise stuff floats in my brain too much, so easier to have my thoughts on paper, so I can day dream about other things  Grin
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2011, 07:31:07 AM »

You know of course that the Guinea Pig was domesticated as a food source  Tongue
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2011, 07:44:50 AM »

Skwishee: They're all BUT boring! Grin Ours were climbing the cage whenever I approached with a carrot or some other edibles Wink And they run so fast! In the end, they're much like goldfish, messy, compact cuties that can end up pretty big and live only to eat Grin (I'm starting to see a pattern here...)

I make lists all the time! Even if my handwriting is bad, I love to write xD When I'm bored I write nonsense Tongue

scrivens: Why of course! Cheesy But I for example don't like rabbit meat at all, so I feel that a guinea pig would taste about the same and be as bony. I prefer eating bigger things c:
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2011, 08:32:51 AM »

Aww well when I have money I want to buy a nice big hutch for them and an outside run  Cheesy
I'd be quite happy to make an indoor room 'guinea pig' proof, that they could run around in during the winter Grin

Pets At Home do fairly reasonable 'bundle' packages, where you can buy a hutch with bedding/food along with them. So maybe one day....

My partner has more interest in Ferrets though, so I wouldn't mind if he had one, but I don't think guinea pigs and ferrets would get along, so we'd have to keep them seperatley... but this is all in a very far away time when we have more space and money  Roll Eyes

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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 09:54:20 AM »

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But I for example don't like rabbit meat at all, so I feel that a guinea pig would taste about the same and be as bony. I prefer eating bigger things c:
haha good point there nossie  Tongue i would never eat a cat or guinea pig or something, but for the people who do, i always think it must be pretty stringy and bony..
and skwishee they are indeed anything but boring lol. they're such adorable little bouncy, talkative creatures, and they love to cuddle <3
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2011, 02:27:27 PM »

Lauren you pretty much said the reason's why I want one XD Something warm and squishy to cuddle on my lap and talk to Cheesy
I imagine it would be like having a miniature dog, only you don't have to walk it....
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2011, 02:43:33 PM »

We made sauce out of my pet bunnies when I was little. And dad is a hunter so every once in a while he brings home a rabbit Tongue But I do prefer moose c:

I used to keep the guinea pigs outside in a bigger cage without bottom on the lawn, they did enjoy munching that grass Wink They wouldn't do much else while they were out really... xD When I went to catch them, they sometimes slipped out of my hands and ran away, seemingly wanting to munch more grass... >>
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2011, 02:47:06 PM »

What would you do for the guinea pigs in the winter Noss?
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2011, 07:16:31 PM »

Skwishee: Thanks for the link to that website with the fancy goldfish book! I think it was another shop online that wanted way more for it, I was all "what! that's crazy!" but the $30 price seems way more reasonable. Again, Christmas, Christmas lol...

And cool about the guinea pigs Cheesy My friend has a few she keeps in a large plastic baby pool inside their house year-round. It's lined with newspaper and playtoys and those things are HUGE! Much like Nossie said...fuzzy goldfish XD

Another friend of mine once had 2 bunnies named Mischief and Peanut. She'd take them on walks with a little harness which I thought so cute.  Grin She thought they were both males but one day Mischief had a litter of baby bunnies. However, she ate all but one and the last one died on its own.  Sad I never knew they would do that.
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 05:39:51 AM »

Ah, forgot to add that I kept them outside during summers only Wink
I always took them inside over nights Smiley It could get very cold, and we have such a load of mosquitoes around here (lots of forests, ditches and swamps for them to thrive in), so I wouldn't leave them outside to get eaten D:
During winters we were being very careful not to let any draft get to the guineas, they get infected lungs very easily.

My bunnies had babies all the time! At one point there was one baby she didn't want (my black girl was called Petra) and we were feeding it with some warm milk and kept it wrapped in towels :'3 But I can't remember if the poor little one died in the end or not Sad
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2011, 06:04:50 AM »

Awww we had a pet rabbit once, it was a very frisky thing and tried to have fun with a football Wink
Being a child at the time I just thought it liked playing football XD

We named it Polly but later realised it was a boy Cheesy

Interesting about the rabbit eating babies? I knew they'd re absorb their kittens before birth, if there wasn't enough food in the warren or it was over populated... at least that's what Watership Down taught me XD
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2011, 07:56:30 PM »

Skwishee: You did change its name to Paul, right?  Cheesy And I'd heard that before about the reabsorbing of the babies. Most unusual...O.o
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2011, 07:09:01 PM »

No it remained as Polly Cheesy
He was such a funny rabbit, sometimes if the gate on the patio was left open, he'd always run out and just sit under this particular bush at the end of the garden XD

I think the point behind them re-absorbing kittens, is purely a survival instinct? So if there is only enough food for just the one rabbit, it's not really going to want to share with a litter of babies XD
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 12:54:04 PM »

Haha cuuute. Funny bunny!  Tongue

Hmm maybe so about the survival instincts...goldfish will eat theirs regardless of whether they have enough food or no...
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Re: Bumps on body of goldfish
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 04:25:26 PM »

Yeah... but rabbits have a true stomach, so can tell when they've had enough  Tongue

Goldfish survival, to me at least, seems to be the rule of - just eat anything that looks like food-regardless if it's something that they've just pooped or given birth to XD
(I say 'given birth' in a very loose term, as I believe goldfish lay eggs rather than birth live young?)
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