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fantailer
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Rare goldfish
« on: August 07, 2011, 07:08:55 AM »

Could you please list as many rare goldfish as you can.
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 08:22:00 PM »

Wakins are pretty hard to find at a local pet store.
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2011, 11:18:36 PM »

Here is a list of color variations of goldfish breeds that are hard to find.

          o Original red Philadelphia Veiltails
          o English metallic Veiltails
          o Wood and Lenali calico Veiltails
          o Bristol Shubunkins
          o Line-bred Japanese Ranchu
          o Jikins
          o Edonishiki’s
          o Blue and calico Egg- Phoenixes
          o Midnight Shubunkins
          o Lemon yellow Commons

I haven't even heard of some of these breeds.
I found this information from a website.
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Nossie
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2011, 02:49:13 AM »

A lot of Japanese breeds are very expensive and very hard to find even in japan!
Especially the Jikins, the long-bodied goldfish with split tail and that special color. They're supposed to be all white with red fins, lips and gill covers. To get this color, the Japanese breeders are plucking off the red scales from unwanted places, which takes very long, and is a very stressful procedure for the fish.

Next, the Wakins are pretty hard to find in the west, along with many newer, older and even near-extinct Japanese varieties, such as the Muse. Plus a big bunch of others, a special type of ranchu was supposedly eradicated during the world war.
But I can't list them right now since I don't honestly remember them all Sad Them Japanese people have weird names on their fish xD I'll elaborate on this when I'll have access to my memory D:
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2011, 04:26:08 AM »

hey Nossie, if its not too much trouble I would like to ask if you know any more about the type of ranchu was supposedly eradicated during the war?, I also wonder if that was accidental or on purpose?... regards > Ron
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2011, 04:50:28 AM »

Thanks guys! Wink I am doing powerpoint about goldfish for a school project over summer vacation. Here a list of varietys, breeds and types I have got:

Common Goldfish
Comet Goldfish
Shubunkin Goldfish
Fantail Goldfish
Veiltail Goldfish
Celestial Goldfish
Bubble Eye Goldfish
Butterfly Tail Goldfish
Jikin Goldfish
Telescope Eye Goldfish
Ranchu Goldfish
Oranda Goldfish
Lionhead Goldfish
Lionchu Goldfish
Pearlscale Goldfish
Ryukin Goldfish
Wakin Goldfish
Pom Pon Goldfish
Tosakin Goldfish
Black Moor Goldfish
Panda Moor Goldfish
Crown Pearlscale Goldfish
Sarasa Comet Goldfish
Bristol Shubunkin Goldfish
London Shubunkin
Goldfish Albino Doll
Calico Fantail Goldfish
Sarasa Fantail Goldfish
Demekin Goldfish
Eggfish Goldfish
Broadtail Goldfish
Super Dragon Ball Goldfish
Pearlscale Moor Goldfish
Siamese Doll Goldfish
Tasmaba Goldfish
Watonai Goldfish
Froghead Goldfish
Willow Goldfish
Hibuna Goldfish
Shukin Goldfish
Crescent Tail Telescope Eye Goldfish
Goose Head Goldfish
Dragon Back Goldfish
Edonishiki Goldfish
Fringetail Goldfish
Metoer Goldfish
High Head Goldfish
Midnight Shubunkin Goldfish
Tiger Head Goldfish
Long Body Telescope Eye Goldfish
Single Tail Pearlscale Goldfish
3 Goldfish Varieties that don't have Names
Pua'a Goldfish
Double Bubble Eye Goldfish
Pheonix Goldfish
Blue Egg Pheonix Goldfish
Curled Gill Goldfish
Telescope Tosakin Goldfish
Ribbontail Goldfish
British Fantail
Panda Oranda Goldfish
Lemon-Head Oranda Goldfish
Bristol Comet
Short Tailed Ryukin
Telescope Pom Pon Goldfish
Top Veiw Ranchu Goldfish
Japanese/American Shubunkin Goldfish
Side View Ranchu
Philedelphia Veiltail Goldfish
Oriental Twintail Goldfish
Imperial Goldfish
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2011, 03:39:45 PM »

Just remembered the Tosakin variety, they have the body of a ryukin but their tail isn't split, it's like a long skirt Smiley They're bred to live in ponds, so they're extra hardy, and look very beautiful when watching them from above Smiley I'll add a picture.

Now, about the goldfish varieties lost in the war:
It was of course not intentional, but in the bombings the cities and the goldfish industry along with them were destroyed. Very sad. And there aren't that many people in the end that are trying to get these breeds back, but I hope that the few who try will succeed!
There was this long tail variety of ranchu that they were breeding in the early 1900 called Shukin, these were never too poular in the first place though :/ Among many more that I don't know the names of, sorry :'D
While we're talking about history, I could add that at one point during the Edo period, the Japanese government made it illegal to keep goldfish, they thought it was a kind of luxury, and so they confiscated every goldfish they could find.

Fantailer: Many of the fish you chose are only different colors of the same variety, you could remove a few of them to make the list less heavy for the presentation, such as:
Lionchu Goldfish (A hybrid)
Panda Moor Goldfish (Just a color.)
Sarasa Comet Goldfish (Just a color.)
Goldfish Albino Doll (Just a color.)
Calico Fantail Goldfish (Just a color.)
Sarasa Fantail Goldfish (There is no such thing as a Sarasa fantail)
Demekin Goldfish (This is just the Japanese name of Telescope eye goldfish. The chinese call them Dragon eyes for instance)
Pearlscale Moor Goldfish (This is just a hybrid, adding those would make your list a pain)
Siamese Doll Goldfish (Just a color)
Tasmaba Goldfish (Do YOU know what this is? Never heard of it)
Watonai Goldfish (This is sort of a long-tailed variety of the wakin, to be exact, a cross between this and a ryukin)
Froghead Goldfish (This is a bubble eye with smaller eye sacs)
Willow Goldfish (Basically a fantail)
Hibuna Goldfish (Common goldfish)
Shukin Goldfish (This is a long-tailed ranchu)
Crescent Tail Telescope Eye Goldfish (This is just a different tail shape)
Goose Head Goldfish (This is a high headgrowth, usually seen on red cap orandas and pearl scales)
Dragon Back Goldfish (This is a term for the ranchu's or lionhead's back...)
Edonishiki Goldfish (This is a calico ranchu in Japan)
High Head Goldfish (Again, a name for a head growth concentrated to the top of the goldfishes' head)
Midnight Shubunkin Goldfish (Just a color variety of the shubunkin)
Tiger Head Goldfish (This is a chinese name for lion head)
Long Body Telescope Eye Goldfish (This is a cross between a common/comet and a telescope)
Single Tail Pearlscale Goldfish (This is not exactly necessary to add since this is just a Pearl scale that doesn't follow the "double-tail" standard)
Pua'a Goldfish (No, this is again a cross that makes a chubbier common goldfish)
Double Bubble Eye Goldfish (I assume this is a bubble eye with slightly "split-looking" eye sacs)
Pheonix Goldfish (This is an egg fish with long tail)
Blue Egg Pheonix Goldfish (Another color)
Curled Gill Goldfish (This is a genetic defect that people figured would look cool)
Telescope Tosakin Goldfish (Another hybrid)
Ribbontail Goldfish (A kind of tail that both fantails and ryukins can have)
British Fantail (No.)
Panda Oranda Goldfish (A color)
Lemon-Head Oranda Goldfish (A color)
Bristol Comet (Never mind)
Short Tailed Ryukin ( This is just a tail variety)
Telescope Pom Pon Goldfish (Another hybrid)
Top Veiw Ranchu Goldfish (This is just a ranchu that happens to be especially pretty)
Japanese/American Shubunkin Goldfish (Noooo, you already mentioned all the shubunkins needed)
Side View Ranchu ( This is another ranchu, just a ranchu, not a variety)
Philedelphia Veiltail Goldfish (This is considered a "true" veiltail, so you can just skip the "Philadelphia" part)
Oriental Twintail Goldfish (Basically a ryukin-type fish bred in China)
Imperial Goldfish (Oranda with bigger headgrowth, no)
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2011, 09:59:11 AM »

Thanks Nossie. If you go to raingarden.com they breed shukin goldfish.
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2011, 12:56:09 PM »

They have a whole lot of things on Raingarden.com Tongue I wouldn't take them as any official varieties or anything, considering that most of them are only different hybrids of various types. (Not to mention that most goldfish have different names in Japan only because of their color while they still belong to the same variety)

Especially if you're going to do this presentation with pictures, and to a group that isn't involved in fish-keeping, I suggest you stick to the basic ones but you can mention shortly that there are different kinds of shubunkins for instance, these are usually mentioned in books as well. For someone that isn't interested in a certain subject, it's not necessary to go into the more subtle and complicated details.
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 01:27:49 PM »

I think jikins are the rarest, right? Nossie..I wanna  see the Tosakin!
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2011, 02:28:04 PM »

Okay Nossie Thanks! Wink
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 03:16:05 AM »

Ah, right! I got so sleepy by the time I was done with list that I forgot the pic! Tongue
(Otherwise you could just google it too you know...)

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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 05:21:58 AM »

wow Nossie that Tosakin variety is amazing and thanks for the history info...  and fantailer what a great array of goldfish varieties there are, hope your presentation goes well, here's a tip for you... one of the golden rules for presentations is to use no more than 5 bullet points per page, otherwise you lose their interest a bit... well done Nossie on the edit and karma and thanks to both of you for publishing the list. > Ron
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 05:47:50 AM »

Thanks, Ron Smiley

I'd suggest not putting any text on the pages at all aside from the names of the fish, that way you'll be telling them more about what it is instead of the audience only reading the points and not listening to you.
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 06:12:25 AM »

yeah you may be right but consider that we are visual creatures... I thought the text and bullet points would only be goldfish names or varieties anyway... and considering the age of fantailers target audience, less could be better... also us "boys" only have small attention spans apparently Wink and I know we tend to turn off and focus elsewhere when someone is going on with the blah blah blah, especially when you have to sit through quite a few presentations in a row... cheers > Ron
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 01:58:25 AM »

Lol, Ron, been there done that!! xD I usually sit and ignore presentations that aren't interesting for me Tongue So making some beautiful layout and lovely pictures would easily catch my attention Wink
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 05:12:28 AM »

The powerpoint has tons of pictures but I didn't take any of them. So I can't post them on the forum.
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2011, 12:12:25 PM »

Hope your presentation goes well, fantailer! I wish I could be there to watch - I'm sure you'd hold my attention longer than 5 minutes.  Wink
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 03:10:03 PM »

Thanks Golddiegirl and everyone else for help. I'm not sure the presintation will hold my attention.  Cheesy
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 11:31:52 PM »

fantailer you cracked me up again  Cheesy ... and good luck fella, Smiley hope it goes well... and Nossie, presentations are not on my list of fun things to do either, even worse if you have to present them Tongue ...
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2011, 04:56:53 AM »

You just stand there and say umm well blah blash blah blah blah blah blah blah the end!
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2011, 12:01:20 PM »

Pretty much Tongue I usually like improvising a lot. Like I only have the main headlines of what to talk about, and then I let the imagination do the rest Wink
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Re: Rare goldfish
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2011, 06:48:21 PM »

I do something very similar, I make up some small cards for reference, main heading, couple of bullet points, and then on with the the blah blah blah and show your stuff... Im pretty much on pain medication a lot of the time, so sometimes my mind "fogs up" a bit, so the cards for reference are a good safety net for me... cheers all hope you had a good weekend.
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