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Max B.
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New tank coming...
« on: February 19, 2011, 07:59:47 PM »

Greetings All,

just wanted to share my piece of news - I am getting my second tank next week which will be 35G, I am buying it with all the staff included off a person whom I know and trust. It is a second-hand tank unfortunately but with some proper cleaning it will become a new home for my Kara and some other goldies who will appear later. On Monday I am going to bring it home and start setting it up.

More questions are on their way from my side as there will be some new types of equipment to be used and I am not sure if I am knowledgeable enough about it.
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 12:00:42 AM »

Yay! Congratulations!  Cheesy
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 06:32:14 AM »

I hope you get it running quickly and smoothly oh and congratulations!
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Max B.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 11:05:53 PM »

Thanks OrandaLover & fantailer.

Just to keep up with update I provide a couple of pics and plan to carry on till I have the tank set up.

1 - The filter I got is Eheim 2213 (I need to find some replacements to some parts - mainly pipes andtubing)
2 - And that is stand to be used.
3 - My wife kindly offered me to help with initial cleaning, afterwards it is just me responsible.
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 11:40:17 PM »

Eheim 2213 is a very good canister filter and is also one of the most quite out there when it is running. You can just use bio rings alone in there without carbon, which will allow it to house a lot of the nitrifying bacteria.

The tubings for the canister filter you can find at the Hardware store like Home Depot..etc.. You can replace the green Eheim tubings with the clear tubings at the HD store but make sure to get the tubings with the thick wall - not thin wall . The thick-walled tubing will allow it to handle the pressure from the intake side of the filter, which can collapse the tubing if it's too thin.

Other parts for the Eheim you can find on Ebay or online.

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Max B.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 07:06:25 AM »

I found on ebay most of the parts from a seller and if the shipping would be combined it would turn considerably cheaper then just buying from online pet shop. As for the tubings I definitely need to check HD store.
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 01:01:54 PM »

Congratz on the new tank!  Its going to look great! 
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 02:09:27 PM »

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Congratz on the new tank!  Its going to look great! 

Thanks, slowly I am starting to set it up. Now I am seeking for some parts for 2213 filter and I need to purchase some gravel (this time I want a natural look for my bottom - maybe light brown color).

A question to pros - how much gravel is recommended for a 30G tank?
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2011, 09:45:24 PM »

Well, in case someone is still interested in some more pics on my new tank being setup...

Today my wife and I painted the stand in black (it is rather old and worn) so it looks now fresher and nicer.
I tightened the screws and added 4 triangles at the corners of the stand at the back to reinforce a bit the stand just to give a bit of peace of mind for us to know the stand is up for the job again for another 150 kg.
We placed the new tank instead of our old 10G one.
Just added gravel (light brown coloured - looks similar to the one usually found in the rivers).
Added the water into the tank.

Filter is not connected yet though the parts I have ordered via ebay have already arrived. I will connect the filter tomorrow to the tank and will include a bit of media from the old tank - hopefully it will help with cycling.
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 06:04:06 AM »

Sometimes a new tank feels like a shark getting closer and closer...as the tank is getting closer and closer....to finish.
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 07:15:51 AM »

Nice pictures. The stand is pretty, is it an aquarium stand?

The tank will cycle quickly if you're using things from an established tank. Mine was done under 10 days, I don't know exactly when because I wasn't testing the water in the beginning.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 03:13:21 PM »

Looking good!  Those rocks look like the same ones I mixed with some darker ones in my tank.  Everyone says they are pretty but let me tell you they are a bit hard to keep looking nice and clean.  I put too many rocks in my tank in the beginning so I am taking some out little by little during water changes to make it stay looking nicer a little longer. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2011, 07:17:59 PM »

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Looking good!  Those rocks look like the same ones I mixed with some darker ones in my tank.  Everyone says they are pretty but let me tell you they are a bit hard to keep looking nice and clean.  I put too many rocks in my tank in the beginning so I am taking some out little by little during water changes to make it stay looking nicer a little longer. 

Why do you consider hard to keep it lean and nice? Is it because of algae covering it?
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2011, 07:19:54 PM »

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Nice pictures. The stand is pretty, is it an aquarium stand?

The tank will cycle quickly if you're using things from an established tank. Mine was done under 10 days, I don't know exactly when because I wasn't testing the water in the beginning.

As far as I am aware the stand is an aquarium stand. That's what I have been told by its previous owner. Why do you ask?

As for cycling I am planning to add some media from my 10G tank and I have Nutrafin Cycle as well which I am going to use.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2011, 03:10:57 PM »

Yes it gets algae on the rocks super fast!  Like within a couple days of a gravel vac there is algae again and its not easy to keep the lighter colored ones clean or to get it off in the first place.  I was also finding a lot of gunk within the rocks when using the gravel vac and could not get it all out so I am taking some rocks out little by little and I want to just leave a very thin layer at the bottom in the end.   My tank is in the wall though so my situation is a bit harder to work with getting in the front corners and all.
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 09:51:15 PM »

Ok, I see the problem now. Yes, the gravel is being covered with some algae. There will be always some algae in the fish tank. We decided to what extent it should be there.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2011, 09:54:14 PM »

Update:

Today I finally connected the filter to the tank and switched it on. Though I am a bit disappointed with its flow rate. I think this filter is rather weak for a 30G tank (which is not planted). I might consider buying another one to supplement this one. What would you recommend?
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2011, 08:47:43 PM »

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Update:

Today I finally connected the filter to the tank and switched it on. Though I am a bit disappointed with its flow rate. I think this filter is rather weak for a 30G tank (which is not planted). I might consider buying another one to supplement this one. What would you recommend?

Are you looking to buy another canister filter or a hob filter?  For canister type filters, the Rena Filstar Canister Filter series and  Hagen Fluval canister series are very good for goldfish tanks and any other messy aquatic pets.

With the eheim canister filter, their stated 116 gph  is usually with the filter media in place while other filters show their inflated  gph without the filter media in there. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2011, 02:25:17 PM »

I have an Eheim 2217 in my 83 gallon, supported by a Fluval 4 canister filter on the inside Smiley I think the Fluval 4 on it's own would take good care of your tank though, so you may want a smaller size, like 3. That's what mom runs in her 20 gallon tank, so combining it with the external filter should be fine! I don't remember the exact flow rate of the 2213, but mine is filtering about 1500L/h.

In short, any internal canister filter would be fine, aim for one that is the appropriate size for the tank, it's always good with a small overkill when it comes to filtration for goldfish, especially since yours is a thinner-bodied type Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2011, 03:19:13 PM »

As a matter of fact I have been thinking of adding an internal one like Penn-Plax Cascade 400 or 600 to have it inside. I have no experience on any HOB filter though. I do not intend to have another canister filter. In general I would be adding a proper aeration system as I am not convinced with having just the bubbles from the filter, a powerhead to increase a bit of water flow inside the tank (to boost the filtration) and an internal or HOB filter.
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM »

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Update:

Today I finally connected the filter to the tank and switched it on. Though I am a bit disappointed with its flow rate. I think this filter is rather weak for a 30G tank (which is not planted). I might consider buying another one to supplement this one. What would you recommend?

Are you looking to buy another canister filter or a hob filter?  For canister type filters, the Rena Filstar Canister Filter series and  Hagen Fluval canister series are very good for goldfish tanks and any other messy aquatic pets.

With the eheim canister filter, their stated 116 gph  is usually with the filter media in place while other filters show their inflated  gph without the filter media in there. 

Thank you for the recommendation. I will be looking into an internal filter to suppliment Eheim filter.
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2011, 03:37:44 PM »

Yesterday after the routine water testing the new tank showed its readiness for its inhabitant. Yes!, the cycle is over, today I changed ~60% of water. (Actually ammonia disappeared long ago, Ni have just recently) As usually water conditioner into the water per instructions and Kara placed into a buffer packet with the water from the 10G tank. I floated the plastic sack for about 20 min inside the new tank and voila. My Comet lady is in her new home (which is spacious for her as no neighbours are still present in the same tank... though...).

Photo is included.

Today with all my family I went to a LFS, purchased two more Anubias and a small cute and quick shubunkin. The old 10G tank becomes a quarantine tank for a month untill Shubunkin shows no traces of bacteria infection or parasites and it will be added into the new tank. A photo of him/her is still to be taken as I have no wish to bother the fish today.

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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2011, 04:22:47 PM »

How lovely! That picture is so cute Smiley She looks so small and curious Wink Can't wait to see the new fish there later!
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2011, 06:52:37 PM »

The Shubunkin is in quarantine now. I have done a water change before releasing it into the tank. No feeding today, tomorrow I will start feeding it a bit of medicated food (anti-bacteria) for 5 days plus I have added Melafix per instructions as at home I noticed its anal fin a bit torn. I guess it would be beneficial to him/her (still have to see what gender the fish is). I hope  it does not carry any disease so it will join in a month time Kara.
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2011, 12:00:52 AM »

Kara looks great, and I love shubunkins! Good luck with them Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2011, 05:51:18 AM »

I bet she'll be very happy in there!
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2011, 07:37:03 PM »

Today I have finally added a bubble wall powered by Tetra 40 air pump. I must say I really like it now - it's becoming beautiful and cozy for the fish. Because the pump is rather strong (up to 40G tanks) I plan to add anothe bubble wall.
In the video I show some driftwood - one piece is being aged atm. On the back wall there are first traces of algae. There are two bushes of anubias and they look really nice in the tank.

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2011, 03:41:12 PM »

It's all starting to come together! How nice it looks with the wood and all Smiley
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Re: New tank coming...
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2011, 05:03:38 PM »

Max, Eheim Classics are some of the best filters ever made. Hands down. They are the oldest design on the market that is still in production for a reason... they work!

When set up properly it will be the only filter that you need. You should have the intake located in one corner in the lower half of the tank. The return should be located on the same end of the tank at the top and use a spray bar. The spray bar should be located right under the waters surface with a slight angle up on the jets. This will cause a ripple effect across the top of the tank. The water will travel to the other end, hit the wall and then be pushed back to the return along the bottom.
No air is needed. I have fought against that bit of misinformation for years in the hobby. The transfer of gas (oxygenation) occurs at the surface between the water and the air. Surface disturbance is what helps it along, not so much the bubbles, but the action of the bubble popping at the surface. When using a canister filter you get plenty of surface movement and therefore do not need an air pump. You can have one if you like, but you don't "need" it. I have run salt water tanks with bio loads that will look goldfish look like guppies and never once dropped an air stone in them. In fact, you don't want an air stone in a marine tank. It causes salt creep.
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This isn't my tank, but as you can see, it ripples the surface very well.
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If you would like I could show how to pack one properly. I had the 2217 for 15 years and tried many different set ups until I found what worked the best.  Smiley
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