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Nossie
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #120 on: November 07, 2010, 06:45:25 AM »

But during spawning, at least as far as I know, the goldfish aren't meant to bite one another! At least when my Mr. Big was in the mood he was just nudging Berry's belly with his nose Smiley
Horus, on the other hand, who wasn't in spawning mood, was aggressively going for their fins and bellies while trying to bite them! In short, it's a no no >>

Besides, even if it is spawning behavior, it might be good to separate Amber if he/she is being too aggressive. None of us want our (or anyone else's) fishes to get hurt!
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #121 on: November 07, 2010, 10:25:19 AM »

No, she is not a he. She is a she. No breeding tubercles, and another way I can tell is she is kinda pudgy and also her anal opening is larger than most. That is how I know. Opal is the one with the breeding tubercles Tongue lol! Yes, Amber is not doing "nudging" or even just "chasing around". Horus' behavior sounds exactly like Amber's. She was practically trying to bite off their heads!!! On one occurance she actually got Opal's fin in her mouth and tried to pull it off. I don't want anyone to get hurt. Not to mention something - if Amber actually WAS a boy why would he be chasing Opal (who we know for sure is a male fishy) around??? I thought the boys chased the girls, not other boys.

After she did some time in jail, I decided to let her back in to the tank. But she went right back to her old habits in about a quarter of an hour.

Just a little idea: I got bored of having no aquarium background for my tank but don't want to spend money on something storebought (which I don't care for anyway). I decided to use some wrapping paper I had on hand to decorate. Will post photos when done Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #122 on: November 07, 2010, 02:49:28 PM »

May I suggest using a tank divider for your "naughty fish" Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #123 on: November 08, 2010, 05:03:48 AM »

Goldiegirl: If the separation method won't work, maybe you should consider a divider like pappy-fish suggested? It may be rather unsightly but... I'm afraid it would be needed. Unless you'd get another fish that can put Amber in her place! That's how I dealt with Horus Wink I got the bigger, older moor by the name of Mr. Big, and he bit right back when Horus tried to mess with him. BUT, Mr. Big on the other hand wasn't messing with anybody, only defending himself and others Smiley

You could of course move her to a smaller tank of her own?
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #124 on: November 08, 2010, 12:40:45 PM »

Yes I have a tank dividor but it is rather unattractive...however if it works it's worth a try. It would be awesome to get a larger fish, but any bigger and it would eat my Panda Puff. Sad I got Amber with the intent that she would put OPAL in his place. Now I need someone to do the same for her XD lol. Several of my fish are wounded now thanks to her! Opal has a large gash in his lovely tail, and my Blue oranda had half of one of his anal fins chomped off. Jade (aka Panda) stays in hiding most of the time. I may end up giving her own place to live. I was thinking about passing her on to my sister, who has wanted a goldie for a long time but was too consumed with bettas to have enough time on her hands. Now that she only has one betta left (the others passed through old age) maybe she could care for Amber in her unused 10 gallon...
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #125 on: November 08, 2010, 12:53:19 PM »

That would always be an idea! Smiley Letting your sister car for her would probably be the best thing to do since she's got experience Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #126 on: November 09, 2010, 10:29:23 AM »

Aghhhhhh!!!! This morning Citrine is hurt! She is floating at the top and can't move! She seems really depressed and keeps getting picked on. Opal is trying to defend her, but he is too small against Amber! And even worse....Amber has breeding tubercles.  Angry

Now this all makes sense. Amber keeps chasing around my girl fishes because he wants to spawn...he must have bred with Citrine and damaged her swim bladder...there are no eggs left because my goldies are such sharks they eat everything. Opal doesn't want Amber to breed with any of "his" girls, and that's why they keeep getting into scuffles. This must be the millionth time I have guessed wrong on the gender of a goldfish...first Opie, then Amber.... Roll Eyes

But what to do for Citrine??? My lovely baby can't even swim! Ugh!  Shocked Well first thing is Amber's getting out for good. I'll talk to my sister see if she wants him. Hopefully she will be willing to...she adores watching my tank Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #127 on: November 09, 2010, 01:34:10 PM »

That's terrible! Angry Poor Citrine!!
You need to give her some rest really, and separate Amber asap!! D:
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #128 on: November 09, 2010, 04:15:41 PM »

So Amber is a rowdy male! Smiley
Well that figures with all the chasing.
Spawning can be quite violent to watch.
I'm always sure someone is gonna get killed!
but they always fair alright in the end. Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #129 on: November 11, 2010, 09:00:27 PM »

Will Citrine's condition get better? It has been two days and she still shows no signs of improvement. I hope and pray it won't be another issue like Topaz's...

My sister is unwilling to take the fish. She says she doesn't want to get addicted like me and end up doing a ton of work Tongue That still leaves me with an aggressive male who is traumatizing fish land. My only choice is leave him in the main tank, isolate him for a while, or take him back. Advice?
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #130 on: November 11, 2010, 09:22:50 PM »

Awww, I would take him if we lived closer. Smiley
I'm up north Michigan!

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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #131 on: November 12, 2010, 02:50:26 AM »

I'd say... maybe you should take him back? Hopefully Topaz will be happier and nicer after being put in his place Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #132 on: November 12, 2010, 09:34:17 PM »

Ahhg thanks guys... Smiley I do really love Amber so much but I simply can't have anybody tormenting the others; it's not fair. At least once he's amung fish his own age & size he should get along.  Cry
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #133 on: November 13, 2010, 04:39:24 AM »

I know, it's really sad Sad But sometimes you have to think more about the rest of the fishes than one :C
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #134 on: November 13, 2010, 09:19:53 AM »

I know, that is sad!
I would probably keep him and put him in a tank by himself.
there goes my MTS kicking in! Roll Eyes
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #135 on: November 13, 2010, 02:58:50 PM »

It's true. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one for the good of all. I don't want my fishies to be stressed or unhappy - they all deserve a good quality life Smiley

btw Citrine's swim bladder problem is all better!!!!!!  Cheesy  Grin
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #136 on: November 14, 2010, 04:40:18 AM »

Great! Smiley I bet she'll be just fine Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2010, 10:05:23 AM »

I did a water change the other day, and last night Amber went belistic. He shredded Opal's tail, nipped at my blue oranda's tail, attacked Panda Puff, and most of all was determined to show his dominance towards Citrine. Poor girl was so swollen in the belly (I have a suspicion it's eggs) she could barely waddle. Amber has a hive of breeding tubercles, as well as Opal. I couldn't watch anymore. I netted him out and put him in a gallon jar. Today I will take him back to the store  Cry That fish was becoming my favorite, but I won't have him tormenting the others. It will be hard for me to do because I am so attatched to him, but what must be done must be done....  Undecided
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #138 on: November 16, 2010, 11:28:10 AM »

I'm really sorry Sad
But at least we can hope that he'll find a new, good home Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2010, 06:54:40 PM »

So I took Amber back to Petsmart and they wouldn't take him, but they told me to go to some specialty store a million miles away. SO I went. Drove for about half an hour, but when I got there they put him in a tank with a ton of fishies all his age Smiley now I know he will go to a good home. So long Amber I love you!!! <3
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2010, 10:53:08 AM »

That's lovely!! I'm glad he got to a good shop Wink Bet that's a good start already! Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2010, 07:11:02 PM »

Opal has reasserted his domination in the tank. Though he has come out of this mess as a stronger, tougher fish, his tail is a bit shredded and he can be a bit skittish.

Citrine's swim bladder was acting up again, and I tried something totally new I heard of. I held her at 45 degree angle and held her up against the wall of the tank with one hand. Using my right hand, I gently stroked the area by her anal fin with the grain of the scales. This is much like the way some goldfish breeders (including me) attempt to hand spawn. Suddenly I felt air hiss out from her body, and she began to wriggle free. I believe she had a problem with gas inside her intestinal tract. Ever since then she hasn't had an issue with it!

Onyx my poor baby had a spot of ich on his head from all this stress with a jumbo fish picking on him, so I medicated with salt and now he's all better Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2010, 09:04:01 PM »

Wow, I'm impressed! I'm a newbie, so the thought of doing what you did feels like the borders of new frontier for me. Neat to here about this story. You guys are great.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #143 on: November 20, 2010, 12:42:13 PM »

Thank you trft! To be honest I found it intimidating to attempt the proceedure - my hands wouldn't stop shaking! But it was all worth it to see my friend happy and able to swim properly again.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #144 on: November 20, 2010, 01:07:19 PM »

Maybe it would be a good idea to feed Citrine and the other fish more dense pellets or soaked food? Just to make sure no air would get in her way anymore Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2010, 02:17:46 PM »

Yes, I soak the food beforehand every time and feed peas at least once every week to avoid those problems. I would feed pellets but they're too big for my fishies to fit in their tiny mouths! Cheesy hee hee poor Panda of the tiny mouth couldn't even get a hold of it. I don't think Citrine's issue was dietary related...I think it was Amber bumping into her and perhaps even spawning with her, causing her swim bladder to get messed up.

But now that Ambers gone Citrine has made herself queen of the tank, and Opal thinks he's the king. I think they feel a bit puffed up now that no one's there to boss them around. But Opal isn't mean anymore to the others, I think he's learned a lesson.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #146 on: November 20, 2010, 02:25:27 PM »

I'm glad Opal is finally acting nice Smiley It's so great to notice such an advance Cheesy

Anyway, I have a very small pellet food, it's like 1.5 millimeters across, and I'm sure it'd fit into even the smaller goldfishes' mouths Smiley It's the staple pellet by Hikari, you could look out for it unless you haven't already! Cheesy
I'd really recommend it Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2010, 12:39:53 PM »

I'm thrilled he's finally learned to get along.

Hmmmm I'll look for it...my LFS doesn't care Hikari, I've tried to find the wen growth formula you recommended but it wasn't there.

However a new store just opened up (all fishies Cheesy) and I could check there. I want to start giving my fishies a more nutritious diet, perhaps with a high protien pellet food, a wen formula food, and more carrot XD  

The comet/common goldfish at my LFS were super small at the store yesterday, and I bought a teeny tiny yellow and white comet with blue eyes. Named him Whisp because he is so small, and he hasn't yet come out of hiding. I'm afraid he might end up lunch for my other fish, but he's super fast so perhaps he can survive. Really cute and apparently healthy - I shall post pictures when my camera is charged.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2010, 02:09:12 PM »

You could always order the Hikari food online Smiley I'm sure some shop there has it in stock! Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #149 on: November 27, 2010, 04:17:04 PM »

That's a very good idea! I shall try that. Thanks!!

Just as an update: Citrine's swim bladder still acts up every once in a while, but it typically goes away. Onyx's eye is very strange though...he has a small black bump growing off the "stem" of it. Keeping an eye on it, and treating the tank with salt just in case. It seems to be shrinking...no idea what it could be.
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