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Goldiegirl
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2010, 10:27:39 AM »

Of course Tongue No more peroxide. And actually it seems to be much better today (meaning his condition). Got some photos if yer curious Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2010, 10:29:47 AM »

This one got a glare from the camera...dang, would have been the best of all (don't you hate those moments).
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2010, 10:31:57 AM »

And it's my PRECIOUS PANDA PUFF!!! Just thought I'd throw this one in Tongue
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2010, 10:34:32 AM »

*Sigh* happy fish moment...
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2010, 10:39:17 AM »

Just love how his eyes just "pop" out at you...note his flowing tail and paired anal fins. At first glance his nostrils (I know there's a technical fish name for them) seem to be almost like that of a pompom...but no he is 100% oranda. (I like to think of large nostrils in a fishy as long eyelashes on a human, or maybe I'm just kooky like that.)
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2010, 10:42:06 AM »

Here is one of Citrine...her color has really lightened up, but she is always happy to come in for the winter and see all her friends.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2010, 10:45:40 AM »

They sure are cute! Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #67 on: October 21, 2010, 11:05:00 AM »

Awww! They're just precious Smiley How  beautiful they are Smiley

Mom's fantail has really big nasal "lids" as well, they look like flowers on his nose Wink But he's ooold d:
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2010, 06:52:08 AM »

Goldiegirl, those photos are amazing and your fishies so cute, so beautiful Grin
Love how Nossie describes the nostrils: like flowers on his nose, lol... it is so true.

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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2010, 11:51:16 AM »

Thanks all for the compliments; will be sure to pass them on to my lovely finned friends! I love the description of the nasal lids being flowers; I call his flower buds. <3 The dot on his wen is officially gone now, and his behavior seems somewhat back to normal (even though Opal really does pick on him alot. I'm half tempted to return him Sad sad but I can't have my fish being miserable and bullied...)
My blue oranda seems to have gotten much thinner. I'm afraid he isn't getting enough to eat because he stays in hiding so much...
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2010, 04:05:54 AM »

You should really do something about Opal, I say you should separate him for now in a big basket or something, that way he can stay in the tank (unless you can move him to another tank) while you think more about giving him away or not... you can't let him stress the other fishes so much Sad
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2010, 03:00:12 PM »

That's a really good idea I think I shall. Poor opal...:{ he just loves playing king of the tank. But I don't want a dictator lol Tongue

Random yes, but I wish we had goldfish shows out where I live I think it would be so awesome to enter my blue oranda in sometime  Roll Eyes he meets the standards lol. But first he must get fatter; I don't like my goldfish 2 dimentional.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2010, 01:57:57 AM »

I just want to say thanks;  no-one I asked in any pet-shop or aquaria has ever mentioned feeding mashed raw peas to my fish.  They are in a large outdoor pond, and I don't feed them because they have plenty of natural stuff to live on. 

It's been raining a lot lately, and I run the hose into the pond for half a day during drought, but I have had a 'sideways floater' since the spring, and this is the first useful info. I've seen;  I wish I'd thought to check sooner;  I'm worried the coming frosts will kill her otherwise.  She's one of six in the pond, and none of the others have the condition.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2010, 03:26:47 AM »

Goldiegirl: Lol, no dictators are usually pretty bad... xD They may start off alright, but after a while they go nuts and start killing people, usually from paranoia d: But that separation method worked for Horus, so maybe it'll work for Opal? Smiley Always worth a try!!

Horse: You could also try feeding some worms or shrimp, especially freeze-dried shrimp are high in fibers so they should help as well! And if that won't work, separating the fish and keeping it in a salt bath with Epsom salts would be relaxing for their muscles and should also have a good effect Smiley By the way, I'd advice that you'd actually feed your fish in the summers at least when they're most active! Some pellets would be fine, or if you prefer that, vegetables would be good too! In goldfish staple foods there are all the vitamins that a goldfish needs, so it might be an idea to get that Smiley And avoid flakes, they're usually far too small to be enough for a fish bigger than 2 inches!
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2010, 10:59:20 AM »

Nossie: Very true!!! Haha that made me laugh. Yes, Opal hates being alone...perhaps he misses having someone to beat up.

Btw I was thinking about getting a pearlscale goldfish - they recently got some at the store, and though i've always longed for one they were never made personally available. Have any info (care wise) you think would be helpful for someone who has never owned one before incase I decide to get it?

Horse: Funny how the pet shop people never know the simplest of helpful info, no? I agree with Nossie: you really should feed your pond fishes in the summer. Although insects provide ample protein and will keep them alive, they do not provide all the nutritional needs of your pets! Specialty foods will help to promote good coloring and a healthy fish. They will also help them to grow big and strong. It sounds like your fish is having a swim bladder issue as well, though because she is eating only live (or dead) foods that should NOT cause this condition. Swim bladder is typically diet related, usually comes from feeding a non-varied diet like ONLY flakes or ONLY pellets for a long time. Try feeding some dethawed frozen peas and if that helps, great. If not, it sounds like a condition that is genetic to your fish. This means that it will not get better no matter what you feed it unless you perform some sort of an operation which you should not attempt to do unless a pro conducts you. Many times a fish can live out it's life happily with the problems, sometimes it will be miserable. Watch and see if the other fish pick on it for being different; cruel and barbaric but that's the way it works for almost any pet. Consider isolating the fish if aggression persists.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2010, 11:13:12 AM »

Horse sometimes swim bladder condition is caused by an internal bacteria.  I would put the fish in a hospital tank and treat with salt and feed an oral antibiotic food, which you can get at most pet stores.
Sometimes pond fish that have been feeding on algae and are exposed to bright sunlight can get a bacterial infection that cause gas bubbles to form in the intestines.  Jungle makes a great antibiotic food that contains furanace.  Feed the antibiotic fish food twice a day for 7-10days. Just treating the water won't work as well.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2010, 01:51:41 PM »

Goldiegirl: Pearl scales shouldn't be any trickier than an oranda to keep Smiley You should only make sure that there are no sharp objects in the tank that may scrape off his scales Smiley They'd grow back, but flat. Lucky you!! I'd love to have a little pearl scale! Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2010, 09:26:04 AM »

Ok goodie then I think I could get one. I didn't wanna get a totally tricky fish and not know it's unique needs beforehand...I think they're just so adorable!
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2010, 12:29:26 PM »

They are!! Can you imagine when they'll grow up? Smiley Being big like oranges with fins! Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2010, 07:15:08 PM »

Lol awww that makes me want one! When I went to the store today they had renewed their selection of Pearlies...unfortunately couldn't find one to catch my eye. I'm very picky when choosing fishies and decided against purchasing one until that "right one" comes along in time. However, I introduced the newest member of the family - Amber - into the main tank today after being properly quarentined...was wary about announcing her arrival until I was certain she would remain here. She was much larger than all my other fish, and I think I have solved the Opal bully problem. In fact, Opal  is now pouting because his throne was overthrown. She is quite a sweetie, will post some pictures.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2010, 07:50:35 PM »

The best picture of all. Too bad about my filter being in the background.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #81 on: October 26, 2010, 07:55:02 PM »

Sorry about the double post on the previous photograph. This one is second best I believe. Perhaps. It's up to you to judge Smiley She's about 2 inches long, maaaaybe 2 and 1/2. Hopefully she will grow big and strong.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2010, 07:56:56 PM »

Awww, I love the second picture. Smiley
She's a darling fish! Wink
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #83 on: October 26, 2010, 07:59:06 PM »

QUESTION: IS THIS FISH A FANTAIL OR AN ORANDA WITH A LATE-IN-DEVELOPING HEADGROWTH??? (Probably should have posted this under the fish identification catagory, my apologies for any disturbance.)
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #84 on: October 26, 2010, 08:03:19 PM »

Thank you Mindemae Smiley  Cheesy I really do love her to death. She has wonderful orange eyes and is physically (and mentally) sound, as well as healthy without any sign of illness.

Oops I keep double posting these photos, forgive me for lacking posting manners.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #85 on: October 26, 2010, 08:06:19 PM »

It looks more like an oranda with out the head growth yet.
Some are real slow in developing a head growth.
I have a red cap oranda that has no head growth yet while another one has head growth and they are both the same size.
I bought them as red capped orandas and the one without the head growth is starting to get orange/red spots all over now! Cheesy
The other one that developed the head growth is a true red cap oranda with no other spots but on his head. Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2010, 08:08:10 PM »

And yet another image. No, those flecks on her back is not any sign of ich, let me assure you. The dots are merely a reflection from the camera's flash.

Thank you for your expert analysis! I was hoping she would be. Looking at the drastic curve from the forehead to the mouth seems to be a hinting clue. How old do you think she is?
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2010, 08:13:30 PM »

Here she is alongside the irritated Opal (though he looks oblivious). See how much larger she is than him!! She possed some real competition for "king of the tank" and he wasn't up for the challenge.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2010, 08:19:30 PM »

Here is a VERY OLD image of Opal when I first got him. This was taken about 8 or maybe 9 months ago. When you talked about your red cap oranda's head growth changing it reminded me of this.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2010, 08:23:04 PM »

Observe the change from then to about five months later. It has gotten much lighter and shrunk too! Also I had an ammonia problem with my water a while back and you can see the red streaks in the tail. Perhaps that caused it to change so.
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