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Goldiegirl
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2010, 08:25:44 PM »

This was taken about 2 months after that! It's so tiny. He was really not doing well for a while due to ammonia poisoning, but I fixed the problem and he pulled through.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2010, 03:45:30 AM »

Opal looks so sweet and gorgeous, want to send her a little kiss, lol Kiss
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2010, 04:13:22 AM »

Maybe it'd be good to feed him some extra protein to encourage headgrowth? Smiley

Amber is so lovely! She's adorable and has stunning color! She looks pretty compact, so I would place my vote on her being an oranda as well Smiley And I'd guess (even if it's really hard) that she could be around 1-1.5 year old Smiley

You should absolutely post some pictures of all of your fish into the photos/video section soon so we could have a good look at them all Wink
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2010, 10:59:44 AM »

Hanna: Awww thanks!!! Opal will appreciate that he has a long distance friend Tongue Wink

Nossie: Good idea about the protein. Been looking all over for that oranda/wen food you suggested, however it's not in any of my local stores Sad I shall look online for it.

Glad to hear it about Amber Smiley She has a long life ahead of her. Haha like how you described her as "Compact" - that fits her perfectly! I have some images of most of my fish in the gallery but they're kind of all over the place. I should make a definate album.

My Blue Oranda is doing very well, though somewhat caved in on the sides. Making sure to give him extra food to fatten him up, and Jade has established her own little territory behind the sponge filter Smiley Amber's doing great and on her second day in the main tank she already takes food from my hand. Opal doesn't seem to be doing well however. He's got his fins all clamped up (not a good sign) and was darting around wildly and itching himself on the gravel. Citrine also is bottom sitting with clamped fins. This right away arroused my suspicions about Nitrite...Tested the water and it's fine, so I'm afraid he has ich or something...it's hard to see on his white body. Sad
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2010, 11:37:31 AM »

Aww, that's strange... how come your goldfish are sick all the time? You're keeping track of the water quality, quarantining new fish, feeding them well...
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2010, 02:12:13 PM »

I honestly would love to know the answer to that question. Lol now he's acting all better and swimming around like a crazy man! Maybe he just had an itch or something...maybe they are just trying to make me worried. Tongue
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2010, 02:32:28 PM »

I was reading something online about myxosporidia. It described this as beginning as "little white nodules on the gills" and graduating to "piping at the surface". This disease also includes "flashing" (aka scratching and rubbing) and "missing/dropping scales". Could Opal's alleged 'breeding tubercles' really be myxosporidia? The article went on to state how this was an incurable diagnosis...perhaps the medications have not been effective for this very reason???  Undecided
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2010, 03:50:51 AM »

What is it that causes this disease? What are the causative agents called? Are they bacteria or viruses or...?

I really don't believe in most of these serious diseases actually... it's not necessary, and I'm sure that the chance of YOUR fish to get it, is incredibly small Wink Unless you have kept them in very bad water quality for weeks or something. I really doubt that it'd be possible. There are so many people wanting to check out and find their fish diseases in articles and whatnot, and in the end they may just end up getting scared of nothing when two completely different diseases have similar symptoms. Usually they pick the worse one Tongue It happened on this forum a few times Wink
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #98 on: October 28, 2010, 11:05:20 AM »

I honestly know little about it but the given symptoms matched...however I believe you're right, people freak out if something's slightly off and end up medicating and killing all their fish for no reason. If you keep your fish in horrible water with horrible over crowded conditions, sure they will get sick that's obvious. One thing I notice is that before I realized the importance of good water, I diagnosed my fish with a bacterial or viral disease when really they just needed better water quality. Then I ended up medicating and totally ruined my tank and my fishies' health (this was a while ago though, I have learned much since then).  Wink

Perhaps I know too much lol and I'm getting scared over nothing, but just wanted to check with y'all before anything drastic happened  Tongue
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #99 on: October 29, 2010, 03:05:35 AM »

That might be it Wink It's usually the same if you for example, google your own symptoms! Cheesy You can find all kinds of lethal diseases on you!

But a good thing it to have this rule of thumb, always test the water when the fish are acting weird. Perform at least a 50% water change no matter the result. And finally, learn as much as possible about their behavior in bad water quality Smiley Flashing, for example is very common if there's something that irritates the fish in the water, such as drops in pH or actually most other changes in parameters too xD But of course, if the fish is getting worse, you have to treat it Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #100 on: October 29, 2010, 11:10:08 AM »

Lol very very true. I would hate being prescribed medication for a disease I don't have Tongue

Yep, always test water when odd behavior occurs. Opal hasn't flashed since yesterday morning fortunately, and water tests out as fine. I do a 50% water change once every week anyway, but if something's going on I do another just to be on the safe side. I also do salt baths sometimes when they act funny; that always seems to help.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #101 on: October 30, 2010, 02:24:57 AM »

That sounds like some really good methods! Keep 'em c:
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #102 on: October 31, 2010, 11:48:08 AM »

Thanks Cheesy

Well everything seems to be pretty much back to normal. My blue oranda (how I love that fish) has no sign of infection on his wen anymore. He is a vicious eater but very gentle and gets along well with everyone (which I adore). Opal is still being Opal - gasping at the surface all the time, trying without sucess to become "herd leader" again. But I've learned to accept him for what he is until I figure out the causes of his strange behavior. Fortunately Amber has taken complete control. She is respected and feared by everyone else, but she is a good girl and doesn't bully too much.

I gave my black moor a mini surgery! You know how he has had that 'thing' growing off the end of his tail which resembles a worm, however it is not one. I gave him a salt bath and picked him up out of the water with my bare hands (well washed in tap water, of course with no soap). He struggled a bit but was pretty calm. I held him at a 45 degree angle with his head in the water and his tail sticking up. Using sterilized surgical scissors, I proceeded to clip off the growth. Then I dabbed it with hydrogen peroxide to prevent infection. The whole process was very quick and painless, and a few seconds later he was back in the main tank as if nothing had happened.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #103 on: October 31, 2010, 12:38:05 PM »

This is the "growth" which I clipped off.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #104 on: October 31, 2010, 01:16:55 PM »

so was it just an extra piece of tail fin?
Maybe he was suppose to have a triple tail fin! Smiley

well I adopted 3 goldfish last spring and I thought they were 2 common and 1 comet but now I think that 1 may be a koi or koi/goldfish cross.  She has a whisker, just on one side.  Isn't that strange? Cheesy  The guy who I got them from said they were koi but when I looked at them I thought they were just plain goldfish...now I'm not so sure about the one.  I wonder if you cross goldfish with koi if some can have barbels and some not and some only 1!
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #105 on: October 31, 2010, 03:41:18 PM »

Goldiegirl: Cool! Sounds like a very professional procedure somehow Smiley I guess that growth wasn't really in the way, but I can't help but feel like it's better getting it off anyway, as long as the one doing it knows what they're doing Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #106 on: November 01, 2010, 12:47:39 PM »

Mindemae: Surprisingly, HE DOES HAVE 3 TAIL FINS. He has two outer normal ones, and then one growing in between the two, attatched on one side of an outer fin. (Sorry that sounds confusing...) Awesome about your "koi/goldfish"! Maybe the barbels grow one at a time??? Or maybe it really IS a goldfish cross. Well you will know in time Wink

Nossie: Lol thanks! Well I wanted to use clove oil to sedate him first so he wouldn't thrash around, but unfortunately had none on hand. I know some use it when trimming the overgrown wens of orandas and ranchus. I agree, it always bothered me to see that weird stringy thing hanging off...so I chopped it away. He wiggled a bit at first but calmed down quite nicely.

I like my moor, even though he is very strange...you know about all his genetic defects Cheesy nothing serious, but still unappealing to the professional goldfish keeper. He was doing very well today and acted like nothing happened. My little Onyx has learned to eat out of my hand finally XD *super happy moment*. It took him a few months but he finally figured it out. And he has the cutest little mouth Smiley yesterday he got a small piece of gravel stuck in his mouth! It must have broken off of a larger piece because all my gravel pellets are pea sized so they won't get stuck. Boy did he throw a fit! Crashing into everything, smashing into the ground, and almost flipped out of the tank. It eventually popped out after a span of about 30 seconds.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2010, 03:46:35 AM »

Aww, poor Onyx! :'D Good thing it sorted itself out though Smiley He sounds really cute! Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #108 on: November 02, 2010, 02:44:40 PM »

Oh my goodness Goldiegirl, well done in your surgical removal - very impressive! Beautiful fish btw and I have learned a great deal reading of your experiences and all of the other knowledgeable goldfish enthusiasts in this forum. I hope it is smooth swimming ahead for all your little beauties  Cool
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #109 on: November 02, 2010, 08:17:05 PM »

Nossie: I would totally hate having to remove the gravel with tweezers - which sometimes is what has to be done with an unwavering piece of gravel - because I would be so scared of hurting him or poking his huge eyes. Right! Good thing it DID sort itself out. He really is cute. I could go on and on. My mom says of all my fish he's her favorite. I keep badgering her to get a tank of her own and rescue some feeder fish. I pity the tiny things, all crammed together like sardines and packed in amung dead fish as well...perhaps my summer project will be building a pond just for some.

April: Thank you for your shared info about the helpfulness of this thread Smiley my intention was to recieve advice, and sometimes people end up getting some from me and other enthusiasts as well! So glad to hear you found it useful. Btw your ryukin is adorable I've always wanted one Tongue
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #110 on: November 03, 2010, 03:32:26 AM »

This is so true, when I started on this forum  i kne NOTHING about goldfish or fish keeping. So I grab the opportunity to thank every member on this forum for the good information given and the experience they shared.

THANK YOU ALL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN  Grin

Also thank you for all the fun we have together and the kind words and support in case of sorrows and grief.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #111 on: November 03, 2010, 11:34:37 AM »

Hanna that is so sweet to say Smiley I think its true that most of what we know we learn about fish keeping we learn from places like this!

ALL AROUND HUGS!!  Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #112 on: November 03, 2010, 05:37:11 PM »

yeah, cyberhugs for all of us Cheesy
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #113 on: November 04, 2010, 11:34:17 AM »

Woop Cheesy

Well I am thinking about getting another air pump. Currently my single pump is T-d off to two air tubes - one for my sponge filter and another for the airstone. Unfortunately the pump isn't strong enough to pump air to both, which causes both to be weaker than should be. I can never find a balance between the two..the sponge filter takes all the air from the pump and leaves none for the bubble stone, so I rubber banded the tube with a hair tie; forcing more air back to the pump and into the stone. If I have the sponge filter turned up too much, the airstone won't work. If I have the airstone up all the way, the sponge filter won't work as efficiently either.

Last night ALL my fishies were gasping at the surface, and Citrine had some hemmorhaging on her side. Definately oxygen loss. I turned up the airstone and the next morning she was all better. But now my filter isn't churning out much water at all!I would hate to have a nitrite/ammonia spike or something, but they need their 02!

Should I get two separate pumps...one for each piece of equipment...or leave it as is???
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #114 on: November 04, 2010, 01:30:09 PM »

You can buy a pump with two air output nozzles.  OR you can buy a stronger pump that would output more air.
I have single output pumps and my double nozzled output pump is by Tetra. Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #115 on: November 04, 2010, 05:10:46 PM »

It is always handy to have spare eqiupment in a box, just in case of emergency that sth happens and you need to replace it; pump or filter or heater ( for our tropicals ) or whatever it is. We do have spares for all of them.

Keep the week one as a spare and get a strong one for your airstone and filter, this is a recommendation and what I would do in this case Wink

Hope Citrine is doing better
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #116 on: November 05, 2010, 04:03:42 AM »

I have some small crap pumps, but I use each only for one air stone for now Smiley You could buy a stronger pump, and also get these T-shaped plastic things to connect two or more air lines to it! Cheesy That way you'll save some money c:
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #117 on: November 06, 2010, 01:23:15 PM »

Hmm good idea all. Right now I have a metal T shaped thing on my pump...the pump itself isn't too weak but it's not really that strong either. Perhaps I'll get a super strong pump, T it off, and keep my weaker one for an emergancy. I also have a spare heater in case we have our heating system go out or something during the winter.

Thanks Hanna, Citrine is all better now Smiley caught it right away.

Amber is making me angry. She has realized that she is queen of the tank and is taking advantage of her position as the "leader". She has begun furiously chasing around all my other fish and biting off their scales  Shocked  Angry not ok! Floating basket here we come...time out for her until she rethinks her master plan.
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #118 on: November 06, 2010, 07:58:42 PM »

Are you sure she is a girl?
Do you see any breeding tubercles on her gill plates?
Maybe she is trying to get the others to expel eggs as in spawning? Smiley
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Re: Chronic swim bladder?
« Reply #119 on: November 06, 2010, 10:30:14 PM »

Hahaha, if there are breeding tubercules then she's a HE  Grin
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