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Mindemae
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2010, 08:45:11 AM »

Brine shrimp are great to feed fish and they love it! Smiley
I think it is actually the shell of the freeze dried shrimp that contains the fiber. Wink
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2010, 11:23:38 AM »

Might be! Smiley I've been feeding my fish some brine shrimp lately, they do seem to enjoy it Wink
But I should seriously go for a small trip to the local pet shop and see if he's got any shrimp for me! Cheesy
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2010, 01:09:51 PM »

Hi
For what is worth, I give my Ryukin frozen skinned peas about 1/2 hour before his feeding every day and it has made a world of difference in how he swims. I very rarely have a bladder problem.  Wink
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2010, 06:58:44 PM »

That might be something to try out as well! Thanks for the tip! Wink
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2010, 03:21:26 AM »

Update: He started showing symptoms on swim bladder disorder again few days ago, I again avoided feeding him for five days and fed them all peas and brine shrimp, and then only peas for a few days, along with some freeze-dried gammarus and shrimp I recently bought. Yesterday he was floating upside-down again Sad And as usual, my water quality is fine. Another water change is due in the end of the week though, because we'll be away for the weekend.
I prepared the orb for him with a salt solution and two (out of three and a half) buckets of water from the main tank. Moved him over, and he stopped struggling right away and just rested by the surface. Sometimes upside down, sometimes with his tail right up.

Today he's swimming around, looking for food on the bottom, maybe he's expecting peas? However, I intend to avoid feeding him for a day or two again and then try again with the peas.

And funny enough, yesterday I remembered that he actually STARTED acting like this whenever I fed them peas before!! Just for a short while though. Could that be the problem? Should I maybe try giving him only live foods and sea weed for a couple of days?

Any suggestions would really help! I would go insane if I'd end up making him suffer like this the rest of his life! I love my little Claymore Cry
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2010, 04:25:09 AM »

 Embarrassed Sorry to hear about that Nossie. I really don't have enough experience to help you, maybe you could try looking into other forums or something?

So you think it is the actual peas doing it to him? That would be very strange, maybe it is a problem he was born with. But I don't think that is much of a problem as you know how to treat it and get rid of it nice and quickly. I bet he can live quite happily with it happening occasionally Smiley Just know you aren't the one making him suffer!
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2010, 05:16:56 AM »

I haven't got any experience like this either... but thinking about us humans... peas, beans etc make some people to pass winds, so maybe Claymore has got sort of "wind" problems like having too much gas in his swimbladder?

This is good thinking 99, try a different diet. Did you try Garlic Guard? It is meant to treat too in case there is an internal infection going on, it also helps finnicky eaters to eat as fishies LOVE the garlic smell.  Tongue

Hope Claymore will be well again soon
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2010, 05:18:52 AM »

That's a very good point Hanna. Some of us can get eat certain foods fine other people can't eat due to gas or indigestion. Every fish is different just like us humans Smiley
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2010, 07:34:25 AM »

Thank you, girls Smiley
I've been observing him all morning, like mentioned earlier he was swimming around like usual, more or less, I didn't feed him anything, and now he's right back to floating with belly up :/ Now and then he swims around a bit though.
I'll wait with feeding him until Wednesday, but then, what should I feed him? Tubifex maybe? Some other live foods?

I have seen garlic guard available online, so I might just get myself a bottle... >>

I almost forgot! I have actually asked for advice on the other forum I'm on from time to time, but no help there. I haven't gotten to know anything I already don't. Besides, barely anyone has any experience with goldfish there :/
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2010, 09:04:18 AM »

awww, Nossie I'm so sorry to hear this! Sad
Have you tried epsom salts? You could also try an oral antibiotic food in case it is an internal bateria infection.
If you try the epsoms salts you could drop pieces right in the tank right in front of Claymore and try to get him to eat a piece.
The epsoms salt will help if he's constipated.The dosage is: 1/4 tsp epsoms salts per gallon of water.  also raising the temp to 80 sometimes helps.Stop feeding flake or any dry food. Change to frozen live foods or live foods Daphnia, earthworms (you could go to a shop that sells bait) Duckweed (floating plant) boiled spinach and zucchini. Smiley
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2010, 02:01:03 PM »

I haven't looked for the epsom salts yet, thought I'd try treating him like I did before, and if that won't help, I'd try with the epsom salt! Smiley I doubt that it's a bacterial infection, since he's been rather active whenever he's been able to. And he's really tried to swim around before, but just given up after a while Sad

I actually fed him a few small pieces of a tubifex cube that I soaked before hand. He loved it! Smiley And actually... as far as I've seen he's been swimming around like crazy ever since, he was floating around before I fed him. Still, I won't go to celebrating just yet! d:

I was also reading a little in "Fancy Goldfish" on the section about swim bladder disorders, there it was mentioned that if the fish won't eat, it could lose it's ventral ballast and start floating. A parasite or a bacterial infection can cause that too.
It also said that heavy feedings with varied food stuffs should also help correct the problem! Thought I'd see if that works c: I might buy some spinach or zucchini/cucumber for him tomorrow Smiley Thank you Smiley
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2010, 04:47:15 PM »

Nossie I'll keep fingers crossed for you and Claymore. Sure he will be right with the apropriate diet.
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2010, 05:58:49 PM »

Sad so sorry to hear this about Claymore Nossie. I do hope he rallies again and reading your latest post it is good to hear that he is at least feeling some energy from the food you gave him. By isolating him so he can rest that is such a kind thing to do for him. Sometimes it is so difficult to know what to do in a situation like this. My heart and good vibes are being sent to you and Claymore during this uncertain time. I think we can all appreciate your level of anxiety regarding this but know that whatever happens, you're doing everything possible to help this darling little soul. Peace my fish loving friend ♥
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2010, 03:05:36 AM »

Aww, thank you so much for your support, Hanna and April Smiley *tear*
I'm going to try feeding him with vegetables and whatnot. If I can, I'd love feeding him some frozen shrimp or mussels Cheesy But I've gotta see what I can find first! d:
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2010, 04:08:36 AM »

I notice both my fish get a bit constipated when I feed them blood worms or brine shrimp. So I'd personally stick with the vegetables. As long as he is healthy deep down and I think trying what Mindemae could be a great idea Cheesy

Best of luck!
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2010, 05:47:41 AM »

Nossie thinking so much of you and Claymore, how is our little friend doing? Hope he's better, all the best thoughts for you.  Cry
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2010, 07:05:54 AM »

Sadly, he seems very inactive today :-/ But I hope some fresh vegetables will cheer him up! I'll be going to the shop soon Smiley I've got my driving lessons first, but after that, I'll go shopping! Cheesy (Our fridge is empty anyway, so it'd just be good to share some veggies with Claymore xD)

I think I'll look around if I can see any Epsom salts anywhere as well...
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2010, 08:56:09 AM »

Best wishes to your fish. I hope your Claymore gets better soon.
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2010, 09:06:28 AM »

I agree that this is something you may have to deal with for the rest of Claymores life off and on.  He may have been born with a swim bladder defect, you just never know.  I hope this isn't the case.  Claymore is such a beautiful fish.  I also agree that he may have to be fed different than your other fish the rest of his life.  Like smaller meals and more often...so 6 smaller meals than 3 larger ones for example. And or even different foods.  My Thor gets extremely constipated if he even eats a flake or two.  The others are fine.  Thor needs a diet rich in vegetable matter with live frozen or live foods as a treat basically.  I think it might also have something to do with body shape?  His body shape is a bit more concave than the other orandas I noticed.  The others are more rounded.  Of course that could be because he is a male fish! LOL! Cheesy
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2010, 12:42:03 PM »

Minde: I was thinking about that too... although he didn't show any signs of buoyancy problems while I was feeding them mainly pellets and vegetables and live foods only as treats now and then. I really wonder what might've gotten into him. He wasn't like this in the shop either, or when I brought him home... Is it possible though that they gave him some disorder when they were feeding him only flakes in the shop? I mean, both Berry and him had really stringy and hard poo for weeks after I brought them home! Which went away completely and has been perfect until they all moved into the new tank.

How are you feeding Thor then? If he stays in the same tank as the girls? Smiley I mean, how do you avoid giving him any flakes?

Update: I bought some squash and some frozen spinach cubes. I also found some funny algae packed in gel that I bought and fed my other fish with Cheesy Thought I'd give it a try, they seemed to like it Smiley
About Claymore though, I cut some small cubes of the squash and put it into his tank to float around, and he's been eating a few now and then and is chasing the rest all around the place! He seems pretty happy to finally have something to do Smiley I decided to leave them there until tomorrow so that he could eat as many as he wants whenever he wants, lol. Pretty much following the advice of "heavy feedings with varied food stuffs". I hope the veggies will help him Smiley I'll give him some pre-soaked live foods now and then as well, but for now, mainly vegetables consisting of squash, spinach and algae. Maybe seaweed too.
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2010, 01:48:32 PM »

Oh yeah, the seaweed is another really good food that doesn't seem to bother Thor. Smiley I feed both red and green seaweed.
I ususally feed the girls and then I feed Thor something else.  He eats out of my fingers.  So while the others are busy with the flakes, I hand feed Thor at the other side of the aquarium when he sees me he folows me and begs! LOL! I mostly just feed everyone mostly veggies.  You could try the omega one kelp flakes.  Everyone seems to like those.  I feed frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp.  Those don't bother Thor either.  You might want to train Claymore to eat out of your hand before you put him back with the others and also see what foods are best and which ones are not so good.  I don't stress too much if Thor accidently gets flake or two, I just feed him veggies with it. Cheesy
I guess you'll just have to experiment and see what bothers Claymore and what doesn't. Wink
Just be patient and please give us an update on what works and what doesn't.  It would be valuble information for others with the same problem. Smiley
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2010, 05:37:20 PM »

I am so happy he eats the veggies and seems to be better, it is such a relief.
Good idea, Minde, trying to train Claymore to accept handfeeding. And those Omega One Kelp flakes are very good, ours just love them, also those algae-kelp tablets
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2010, 07:51:13 PM »

I'm glad your fish likes seaweed because all my fish tasted it and spit it out. Like their saying it's yucky and just made a mess of it.  Angry
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2010, 04:14:40 AM »

Do you buy the seaweed just from the grocery store or from a fish shop? I wouldn't mind trying that with my fishies.

I really wish the best for Claymore, but I sorta agree with Mindemae. How long was he at the store for? Could flakes for such a short time really do that much damage?

I think you should just experiment and see what works best. You never know, something you don't expect may help Smiley
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2010, 04:27:11 AM »

Minde: That sounds like a great idea! Smiley Claymore will eat anything from anywhere, and he's used to grabbing seaweed from my fingers Wink I could try with some other kinds of foods! Unfortunately, there's only one feeding hole on my tank >> Might need to get a glass cutter so I could cut off another corner myself, it'd be extremely useful Smiley

Hanna: They sound really good! Are they available in pellet form too? I'm just a bit more comfortable feeding them pellets Wink It's easier to control the amount of food with them and I feel like my fish are gulping less by the surface Smiley Although, I bet it wouldn't be bad with some flaked foods either!

pappy-fish: Lol xD mine use to grab the seaweed and tear it to shreds, making a mess like that d: They eat every piece they can get to though Wink And the smaller fish enjoy eating and chasing the smaller pieces floating around, while the orandas are the ones grabbing it and eating big bites of it!

Andrea: I bought it online from a pet shop in southern Finland ;> It's sold in packs with about 20 sheets of dried seaweed Smiley
I have no idea for how long Claymore was at the shop! I only know that I had bought him and Berry about a week before I went there and brought them home. But the tanks were pretty full before that, so maybe they had just been there for a few weeks before? I don't really know, but them poor fish didn't want to swim too much when I got them home Sad
I'm experimenting a little bit now, yes Wink Pretty frequent feedings with vegetables and live foods Smiley He's so much more active when he knows there's a possibility to get food Wink

General update:: Claymore has been really perky all morning, begging for food! He seems to have lost interest in the pieces of squash that I had left over night, so I took them out and fed him some gammarus. He ate them all in just a few seconds, and kept begging for more food, which he's done for a couple of hours now d: I'll be feeding him some spinach soon Smiley
I decided to go to the pet shop and buy some blood worms in gel as well, now that they're finally available around here and I'm running out of brine shrimp Wink
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2010, 05:42:49 AM »

What is Gammarus ?  Shocked

Nossie, those tablets are pretty small, like half of a pea or smaller. They should be on a pic in that food thread we had lately and you wrote about it. So amazing.
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2010, 05:56:26 AM »

Then I know! Cheesy I'll see if they're available for me Smiley

Gammarus... well, I went to the small, favorite pet shop last week, and asked for freeze-dried shrimp c: This dude working there, put two jars in front of me, one huge one, almost like a bucket, and one smaller c: He said that there are shrimp and some little fish there too :O Well, I mentioned that "my GOLDFISH are still pretty small..." so I got the smaller jar, and after some investigation, I noticed that it's called "Gammarus mix" mainly for turtles and lizards, but my fish love it too Smiley And there are shrimp pieces there! (I sorted out all the fish, because they were tiny, dry anjovis in there, very hard and impossible for my fish to eat).
Gammarus seems to be a kind of smaller shrimp, here's a pic! Cheesy

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And this is what they look like inside the jar:

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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2010, 06:01:34 AM »

YUUUUUUUUUUUCK, hahahaha... I try to find that post but it is a thread-jungle, lol
Otherwise I'll take another pic  Wink
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2010, 10:35:51 PM »

Haha love Hanna's reaction, I had the same one Tongue I'm glad Claymore is doing better, maybe he needs the smaller meals more often. Don't they recommend that to humans trying to lose weight? Eat 6 small meals per day so maybe it's good for the digestive system Smiley

I'll have to go to the fish shop and see if they have seaweed, I would like to try it. I found some freeze dried tubifex worms today, just wondering how to feed them. They are in cubes like stock. I feed them to both fish and just sorta broke the cube up between my fingers so it was like powder when it in the tank. Is that right?

I'm glad all your fish have you now, they are all doing wonderfully if that's what they came from.
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Re: Claymore.
« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2010, 01:00:40 AM »

It would not surprise me if fish would become constipated with too much iron as in the feeding of blood worms. As humans if we take in too much iron it will slow everthing down. My brother is a pharmacist and said that the metal in iron found in food or supplement can send an electric magnetic charge through the nerves and muscles in the bowel and thus in turn slow bowel motion down if too much is taken in. At least this is true for people so who knows, perhaps little fishies tummies too. I have been feeding Tailer blood worms now and notice he doesn't produce waste as often as before. When feeding him the shelled frozen peas, I soak them for about 15 min in a bowl with boiling water so they are not too firm and he just inhales them Cheesy Wishing Claymore many sunny days ahead ♥
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