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Mindemae
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CLOWN LOACH
« on: November 01, 2010, 03:34:04 PM »

Hello,
Does anyone know anything about clown loaches? 
A crazy thing happened to me today.  I went to Petsmart to pick up my new oranda and I also decided to get some plants.  Well, I saw a piece of driftwood in one of the tanks with a plant growing out of it. So the girl picked it up and put it in a plastic bag.
I came home and put the plants, and the driftwood plant in the quarantine tank.  Put my lovey new oranda in the tank after letting her acclimate to the tanks temperature, went about my business of putting things away.
Went back to check on the oranda and shes sitting at the bottom of the tank on the bottom in the corner and her tail fin is shredded!!! Shocked
I'm like wtf?Huh
Pretty soon I see this orange and black striped thing poking out of the driftwood. Shocked
So I cover the driftwood hole with a net and bring it out of the water and try to shake out the fish in the driftwood!
HE WOULDN'T BUDGE!!! Roll Eyes
So I ended up putting my new oranda in a different tank.  So now I am treating her with salt and melafix.
So now I have a clown loach in the quarantine tank. 
The pet store is almost 2 hours away.  There is no way I'm driving back to the store for awhile.
I looked in 2 books and they don't say much about them except they are lively and like to swim in shoals.
So I'm guessing that if they don't live in a shoal they pick on other fish???  Are they aggressive and territorial?
Can anyone please give me some good solid experience and info about the clown loach.
Thank you so much! Smiley
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 03:52:51 PM »

Hi Minde,

Clown loaches ( Botia Macracanthus ) thrive in groups, they can or will grow up to 30cm (12inch) they are very active and lively, they love prepared and live foods. When I went for a snail eater, they first recommended me to get a clown loach but I didn't because of the size they grow to.
They are best kept in tropical tanks @ 75-86 Fahrenheit, soft and acidic water pH 6.0-6.5

I wouldn't say they are aggressive but they can prey on smaller fish in the tank. Feed bloodworms and live blackworms they go crazy about them and flakes, pellets for tropicals
They do have a habit to float on their sides, fooling  Shocked you that sth is wrong, but they are perfectly fine, they are such clowns  Grin



Other than that you've got a real bargain, as clownies are expensive, especially if they grow big they are worth it about 100 or more dollars
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 04:01:21 PM »

How is your Oranda going, hope he/she will recover soon. What is his/her name?
Is the fin badly shredded or only nipped? Lucky goldfish fin tissue grows back fairly quick.

Can you post pics please?
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 05:52:07 PM »

Holy cow!!! Shocked  $100!!! Geeze that's amazing.
Goodbye clown loach....look for him on ebay! LOL! Grin
Thanx Hanna,
Great info! Cheesy

I'll post pictures later.  Everyone is so stressed, including me! Smiley
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2010, 02:18:51 AM »

Aw hope everything is ok Minde. Hanna already covered everything about the clown loach, I'd get rid of it if I was you, of course in a humane way, which I have no doubt you will. Try to make some money from it Cheesy
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2010, 03:56:10 AM »

Lol, what a coincidence! I bought myself a log of driftwood with anubias, java fern and moss growing out of it just last Friday! Cheesy I've got it in the orb for a while now, since there were lots of strange things in that tank d: I didn't get any extra fish or shrimp though Cheesy

About them loaches, all I know is that they are rather social, but they might eat their smaller companions when they grow bigger.
I'd say that it's pretty easy to expect that this fish would nip the oranda's fins, considering that lots of tropical fish are fin-nippers. Anything with long, flowing tail gets to be snacked on d:
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 04:57:53 AM »

I woudn't get rid of it if you can keep it in the tropical tank. It will eat the snails you may introduce with new plants. Clowns grow rather slowly and they can be much fun to watch too.

Our Yoyo now lives with 10 Neons and 6 Glowlights, also 1 BN. Smiley
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 09:20:44 AM »

Is Yoyo a clown loach? 
Well Tony is not eating Sad 
So far I've tried bloodworms and shrimp pellets.
 
But he swims around like mad and then goes in his piece of driftwood.
It's like his security blanket. Grin
I guess wherever he goes it will have to go with him. Grin

Yeah, ok I might be getting attached to the little guy. Wink
He is fun to watch. Cheesy
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 04:07:50 PM »

No, Minde, he's not but very similar. He's a YoYO-Loach, they have much the same character, eat the snails, but Yoyo won't grow that big.

Do you have loach pellets for him? And live blackworms?

He'll be fine, it was an unplanned move for him and a surprise for you. Grin
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 12:26:30 AM »

Forgot you had a tropical tank, Mindemae! I would probably be attached already too Tongue He sounds very cute, maybe he is sucking on the algae on the driftwood.
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 03:55:03 AM »

Mindemae: Dont worry about botia (in my place clown loach known as botia). My friend keep 2 clowns together with gf about two year and so far is ok.  Clown is peacefull, shy and schooling fish. They like to hide, play air buble and swim aroud.
Clown need friend, if you have only one, this fish will stress and more agresif.
So, if you want keep this fish, just give him a partner, more than two clowns is better.
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 08:56:59 AM »

First of all I want to thank you all for your replies and I really appreciate the advice I do, but this is becoming a fish nightmare.
I only have a 20 gallon tropical tank.  Way toooooo small for an added clown loach or botia, not to mention a friend for him too!!!  I think my tank is overcrowded now.  (Minde whines)
I currently have zebra danios, 1 gourami, one piggy pleco that doubled in size already, Shocked, and a pictus catfish. Cheesy

"oh, hubby we have to spend a few more hundred $$$ on more fish crap and I need to set up another bigger tank so our suprise clown loach Tony can have friends!!!!" Roll Eyes LOL!
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 05:57:36 PM »

Minde he'll be fine temporarily. Tony doesn't grow fast, so you slowly can prepare your darling hubby for another tank.
Just let him know MTS is not curable.....it is only getting worse.... Cheesy
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2010, 04:52:13 PM »

Tony is swimming all over the quarantine tank and up and down and in and out of his piece of driftwood and he is making this loud grunting sound!  I'm not sure what that means and if it is the "clicking" sound people describe?  everywhere I read about clowns it says it means something diffrent.  Like when they are scared or defensive and some say they are happy or content when they make the clicking sound, like when you feed them something they like.  Well Tony must like green seaweed because that was what he got for breakfast! LOL!  Either that or he's bawling me out because he didn't like it! Undecided
Does anyone know for sure what the grunting/clicking noise means?
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2010, 05:02:59 PM »

What I read about it is that they make it when they are content and pleased. It can be fairly loud and sounds like a lock clicking. They also swim sidewise or on their back and up and down. Sometimes they can lay on the bottom of the tank on their side looking at you. When this happened the first time I was so scared but then Yoyo swam to the top and started clicking, as if he said to me: HAHA I FOOLED YOU.

To be honest I didn't realize a grunting noise yet but I may need to pay more attention and listen more carefully. Maybe Tony grunts because he is completely alone?

When you'll go to the store to get him a companion, try to get some live blackworms too, Tony will love them.

Now I am just curious how to tell the gender of loaches  Shocked
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2010, 10:58:44 PM »

well, I found out that Tony lOVES zucchini! Smiley
yAY!  He came out and ate the zucchini I threw in there today!
Hanna, have you tried zucchini with Yoyo? Cheesy
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2010, 12:06:12 AM »

Actually I didn't, must try it the next time.
Only noticed in the last 3 days he's going nuts swiming up and down in circles and then chasing the wafer I throw in. Think he needs one of his own in there too, this means I'll move Kate, the BN into the big tank and get Oyo for Yoyo.  Grin
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 10:34:40 PM »

haven't been on for a while, so decided to contribute to the conversation Cheesy

In my 29 gallon community tank, I have a group of four smaller Clown Loaches (Cracker Jack, Pepper, Accolay, and Mozart) I got  them 2-3 years ago, and they're still thriving - from my experience, clown loaches.....


-do best in groups of three or more
-can pick on smaller fish (like my own glowlight tetras, so I have to keep them full!)
-ADORE bananas (cut into a 1 inch thick slice and dropped in the tank - it will sink to the bottom)
-LOVE raw shrimp
-mine are a bit picky sometimes, but they have accepted blanched potato with some gusto
-make clicking sounds when they eat - so don't be worried if you have clown loaches and you hear a clicking sound in your tank - it's not the glass breaking! It means you have happy, healthy, contented clown loaches  Cheesy

Hope this helped!
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 10:57:04 PM »

Gosh, thank you!!! Smiley
that helped quite a bit.
Tuesday we are going back to Petsmart to return the demised goldfish and I am plannning on getting another clown loach for Tony. Wink
Thanx for the info! Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2010, 11:01:09 PM »

How exiting Grin

just moved Kate and got Yoyo 2 smaller companions, as he's the boss we thought better smaller ones than one the size like him and they start fighting. Now he can take over the father role over those 2 smaller ones. In a few days they should form a small shoa.l
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2010, 11:17:24 PM »

cool! so Yoyo has 2 yoyo loach friends?
I really think my tank will only to be able to handle 1 friend for Tony, since they get big eventually. Smiley
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2010, 06:32:57 AM »

He does, lol... need names again, lol. He's still going around like a crazy wheel and the two little ones started to follow him... makes me dizzy. Tested the water too, all perfect with 0 readings, pH 6.8

To move Kate out was a big job again as I had to get the plants and deco out to be able to catch her, she's like a bullet. Now she's happy in the big tank with Jill and Jane
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2010, 07:23:21 PM »

one thing though - even if you think you can't keep more than two clown loaches, if your tank is relatively big/middle sized, I'm pretty sure you can. Clown Loaches take a LONG time to grown bigger, and they don't get as big as they would when in the home aquarium
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2010, 09:00:46 AM »

Hanna,
I cannot find blackworms anywhere!
Where do you buy your blackworms?
I looked at several pet stores and in catalogs and there are none to be found! Undecided
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2010, 05:15:58 PM »

I got them in the pet shop, but maybe not all pet shops supply them. I bought them in a smaller one, privately owned, where we got the new tank. Also we buy most of our fish there.

But if you cannot find any, Tony and Tigger will be happy with bloodworms too.
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2010, 09:34:26 AM »

Well put my clown loaches together and they love each other!   Cheesy
Awww...they are just so darn cute together.  They eat the snals and Tony carried a snail around in his mouth as he swam.  So cute! Wink
Pretty soon my tank will be snail free! Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2010, 03:26:14 PM »

 Wink

I'm hoping to get my clown loaches some snails soon as a treat!
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2010, 04:33:33 AM »

Minde: I bet they're happy to have company Smiley It's so lovely to see fish shoaling together like that Smiley
I noticed that when my tank light goes out every evening at 10, my fish go to sleep in a little group after an hour or two Smiley It's so cute to see! Cheesy
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Re: CLOWN LOACH
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2010, 10:05:56 AM »

aww, that's so cute Nossie!
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