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Mearwynna
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Constipation
« on: January 17, 2012, 07:09:38 PM »

How does the fish act if he is constipated? The reason I ask is that Sebastian (fantail) has been having episodes where he is kind of resting on the bottom of the tank, but he gets active when he gets attention and food. The water quality is great, so we have that handled well. He doesn't have any noticeable parasites or problems. He gets some flakes or pellets, peas, broccolli, cucumber and occasionally some fruit like a bit of orange or mango. He doesn't care much for fruit, though. He seems to like avocado and cheese best. I make sure he gets a bit of protein like tiny (like a 1/4 of a pea) pieces of tuna, or chicken or cheese everyday.
Does too many protein foods cause constipation?
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Goldiegirl
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 07:25:16 PM »

A fish, when constipated, displays buoyancy issues such as inability to sink/float, swimming upside-down, or "scuttling" across the bottom of the tank.  I have never heard of too many protein foods causing constipation, but if peas are not fed often enough to fancy fish it can cause digestive issues.  However, it sounds like your diet is varied enough to avoid that problem.  Internal damage/infection may be present...does the fish seem to have one or both sides sunken in?

Has your fish always exhibited this behavior?  I know when I got my Koroit he has always been a bit "heavy" no matter how good the water is or what I feed him. 
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 09:56:48 PM »

Most sources strongly advise against feeding cheese and meat (other than fish and insects).High fat foods can contribute to constipation.. The last two fish I bought were constipated when I got them and I resolved it by feeding them only peas and canned pumpkin- for one fish it took five days.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 04:34:33 AM »

Snowie and Bowie often take a rest in the hour or so before they are fed, I think its because they put so much into foraging about all the rest of the time, sometimes its just what they do... if they were not getting active when they see you or during feeding, then I would be really worried, maybe its just time for a little rest or a nanny nap. Cheers
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 04:39:57 AM »

I would definitely avoid feeding cheese, tuna OR chicken, since they contain salt, and goldfish shouldn't eat salted foods. Their digestive system isn't designed for dairy products either, having this kind of unsuitable food probably is messing with his stomach, so please stick to the vegetables only (avoid fruit as well since they kind of mess with the water quality in bigger quantities) and live foods MADE for fish. If you can find non-salted clams, feel free to attempt feeding that though.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 05:15:55 AM »

Instead of fruit you could try carrots or letttuce.
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Mearwynna
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 12:48:07 PM »

Wow, all good stuff to know. It's good we don't give him cheese that often then.

His tummy looks fine. He doesn't seem to like lettuce or carrots, he does like peas, avacados, green beens and cucumbers so maybe we'll stick with those.

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Re: Constipation
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 01:27:21 PM »

Did you try Squash? Smiley My fish just love it! I slightly boil it for them so that it would be a bit softer and easier to eat Smiley
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Mearwynna
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 01:58:30 PM »

I've been reading a article on goldish emergency about digestive issues and it does say not to feed dairy or meat but shrimp is o.k. does that mean like canned or frozen shrimp? Anybody have any ideas about the gel food recipe over there? It looks like it would be a great supplement to flakes.

What kind of squash? The winter ones or summer squash?

I don't know if we could feed fish appropriate protein foods (eg bugs, worms ect) it makes me ill to even look at the packaging in the store...
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 02:04:56 PM »

So it surprises me that a fish can actually be constipated. I mean, it lives in water! Also is epsom salts of magnesium good for fish if they get this way? I've seen some people talk about this but not exactly how it is used. Also, if people do put salt in the water (I've read that some do and some don't) then how does the salted water affect the fish?
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 03:12:35 PM »

There are much better gel recipes than the one on this site (no offence site). When I get home I'll find links. All my fish eat is gel, fresh veg, frozen and freeze dried shrimp and insects and a bit of live food. They have never been healthier and are growing like crazy.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 03:31:52 PM »

I would be interested in the recipes. I just stumbled on that site today so I don't know anything about it.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 05:38:37 PM »

I posted the recipe I use in general discussion. I can't find the page with all the recipes..I thought I bookmarked it. Angry
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 06:02:10 PM »

Another option with veg you could try is brocolli  Smiley My goldfish loves that stuff.
I put a little stalk of frozen brocolli in to a dish filled with some water, cover it and cook it in the microwave for a few minutes, then let it cool in a separate glass of water  Smiley Or if I'm boiling brocolli to eat, I'll put some aside.

You could always try frozen or freeze dried food, of various bugs and things.
I personally have freeze dried tubifex and frozen daphnia, but you can get lots of different types of freeze dried and frozen food  Smiley
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 11:08:10 PM »

I think we did broccoli once, he seemed to like it. He ate it all up except the tougher stem. It seemed to help alleviate boredom a little, too. Kept him busy.

So Cheri, your fish are kind of on a "primal diet" It looks like lots of veggies and protein, and fresh foods. Interesting to see that.

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Re: Constipation
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2012, 11:13:29 PM »

I second the broccoli, it's their favorite. Primal Diet is a good way to put it. I try to only feed veg similar to what carp might eat in the wild and I only feed the smaller fish (anchovies etc). But I do cheat sometimes and give Palo apple or banana, his favorite treat.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 04:04:33 AM »

Mearwynna: I feed either one, as long as it's available Smiley Mostly it seems to be the summer one though c:
Just slice it, and feed the goldfish a slice or two depending on how many you have Smiley They'll be busy for hours... Tongue
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 05:27:37 AM »

Mearwynna: Lucky always leaves her stem too, but now she's used to brocolli and know's what it is, she will eat the entire dark green top in a matter of minutes! Haha she certainly doesn't waste her time!

Courgette/Zucchini is another one I give to Lucky occasionally too  Smiley
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 12:07:47 PM »

I should try giving them some broccoli.. Smiley I started buying that more often nowadays so that would hardly be a problem to give them a little piece or so while I boil some for our dinners..
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 12:32:26 PM »

Do you cook the summer squash? He was able to handle the cucumber just fine, it floated a bit and he tore pieces off until he had eaten it all. So small fish, like anchovies, sardines might be o.k. for him?
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 12:40:56 PM »

I boil it a little bit, yes. That will make it sink, and it will also be softer and easier to pull pieces off of Smiley
I don't think you should feed anchovies or sardines unless you are able to find unsalted ones. And I'm not sure if goldfish eat those much, they rather live on worms, shrimp and the like for protein.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 12:43:29 PM »

Dunno- I cook the summer squash and all other veg. I steam it by placing it in a tiny Tupperware inside a larger one with a bit of water. Lid and microwave. That way none of the nutrients are lost through cooking.
Sardines and anchovies are good- get the unsalted, unflavored kind. I found them at a natural foods store. But I would really only feed a tiny bite. If you think about it a small carp in the wild would only get an occasional fry ( baby fish) until they were quite large.

-edit- lol Nossie, you beat me to it.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 11:01:07 PM »

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Most sources strongly advise against feeding cheese and meat (other than fish and insects).High fat foods can contribute to constipation.. The last two fish I bought were constipated when I got them and I resolved it by feeding them only peas and canned pumpkin- for one fish it took five days.

How did you know they were constipated?
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2012, 11:52:58 AM »

Roxie: Well, strange looking poo is a good way to know something is wrong with their digestive system, they're also not very active and may even float around or have problems controlling themselves in the water.
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2012, 06:08:10 AM »

Cheri I made yopur food and my fish love it!!!!
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Re: Constipation
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2012, 08:48:49 AM »

Mine floated on his side although he kept trying to right himself and his bladde was a bit larger than normal but he managed to sort it himself!
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