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creamkiller
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cycle theory
« on: June 22, 2010, 10:01:46 AM »

hi

some people will put a raw uncooked shrimp in thier tank to start the cycle as it decays it make ammonia and that starts the cycle right. then u take the shrimp out so there is no ammonia coming anymore. the ammonia makes nitrites that remove ammonia then when the nitrites peak it starts to make nitrates that get rid of the nitrites which are lethal to the fish right

ok I know everywhere u read says don't clean the insides of your tank with a product that has ammonia in it right. but in THEORY (i have never done this or would tell people to do it right now.)  if you put a product with ammonia into the tank with water in it. would that not start the cycle. instead of waiting for the shrimp to rot then having to take it out to start the nitrites to rise Huh

what does everyone think of my idea in theory 
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Katarine
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2010, 01:35:51 PM »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... its...not WRONG, per se, but somehow, I dont think a decaying shrimp is effective, as it doesnt decay fast enough. Most people put  in a small helping of food for the bacteria to latch on to, the food breaks apart as waste. Of course, that does Kind of start the Nitrogen cycle as the nitrates take the wates to convert it into ammonia, and so on and so forth. A shrimp in the water wont have anything for the nitrate to take away untill it fully disintegrates.

Thats what I think.
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 01:56:15 PM »

i know plenty who use the shrimp method the shrimp will start to decay in a 1 or 2 days depending if its frozen or not
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 02:08:33 PM »

hey, dont get all hot and bothered, im just giving my opinion.
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creamkiller
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 02:12:24 PM »

i am not i was looking for what u though my wife always says i work things bad Grin

i was more asking what would happen if u just poured in liquid ammonia. would that start the cycle
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 02:50:44 PM »

No, that'd kill your fish. Youd have way too much concentrated ammonia in the tank. and itd be too basic. ammonia is a strong base, therefore even it can burn and kill your fish, the nitrates and the nitrites wont be able to eliminate it
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2010, 05:33:54 PM »

Pure ammonia is a strong and PURE chemical liquid, a strong base. ARTIFICIALLY MADE. I would never put this in my tank to start a cycle.

If you use a shrimp or food or some media from your old tank you know it is natural. Ammonia STARTS to build up SLOWLY from a natural source
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 12:00:41 AM »

Yeah, I wouldn't put ammonia in.  The amount in your tank is, I believe, in parts per million.  That's an amount on the molecular level, and even an eyedropper amount could be too much.
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 08:40:49 AM »

It's not wrong to put pure ammonia into a tank that's cycling as long as there are no fish there. I've seen examples that ended up perfect with this technique. But then we're talking about just a few drops every day. A FEW DROPS. For emphasis.
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 09:07:33 AM »

thats is what i was meaning with no fish in the tank thats the only way to cycle the tank fishless
any other way is cruel to use a fish to cycle. and could kill the fish

thanks nossie (just so u know i still would not do this i just wanted to know if it could be done.)
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 09:43:21 AM »

Personally, I wouldn't use this method and wouldn't recommend it to a new beginner fish hobbiest. Grin
I would certainly have to research it more and try it before I would recommend it to anyone! Smiley
I have never in all the hundreds of books I've read on fish keeping heard of this technique. Smiley
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2010, 06:57:28 AM »

I've seen an example, actually in a marine tank, this person was trying to cycle it with the "shrimp method" Wink But it didn't seem like it wanted to work for him, so he added just a little, little bit of ammonia to the tank now and then. But of course, he was also testing the water daily to keep an eye on how things were developing.

But I wouldn't use this myself, since I already have cycled tanks to be taking some water from d: And I prefer to save water from cycled tanks when I'm preparing an empty one c: (Urr, how confusing it sounds xD)
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 07:02:51 AM »

Nossie, I had this thought too, to save water from now on to set up the other tank, woohoo
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Re: cycle theory
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2010, 04:25:42 AM »

Yea, it's the best way! Cheesy
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