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Elwynnsolo
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Cloudy water,water changes-murdered fish! HELLP!
« on: April 18, 2012, 06:08:34 PM »

 :(I've been keeping fantails and or koi for about 20 years now.  Sometimes I can get them to live a year,and I had a fantail live 4 years-get as big as a softt ball and 12in. long.  All these years I do a full water change on a weekly basis. Otherwise the water is so cloudy I cant see the fish and the tank stinks.  I use a 55 gal tetra charcoal filter in a 20 gallon tank. I put in half a teaspoon per gallon of goldfish salt,this seems to keep them from ick. I run a large bubbler stone.  The fish seem a little dazed sometimes after a full water change-I feed them upon putting them in the tank they seem to snap out of it quicker.They arent always dazed w a water change. I try to strain out all the fish poo first thing in the morning.  They are over fed- my family cant keep their hands off-thet feel sorry for the fish because they beg for food.

Suddenly the fish just die  the water can be new or days old. I could have had these fish 6 weels, 6 mon ths or 2 years, and they were in perfect health. The water gets cloudier than usual and the fish develope a milky slime coat with bubbly surface.Finrot or something like it appears on their bodies overnite.

They float belly up, and look at me judgementally-you murdered me!

I read about getting a BACTERIA CYCLE going-this is the first I've heard of that in 20 years of keeping fish.  Ammonia levels-well I change the water often-so wont that take care of the problem?  What would I test ammonia or bacteria with or even get a bacteria culture?

I didnt know about this stuff, any suggestions before I murder more fish?

Here is one of my recent fishes before he died-can you help me?
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 08:49:12 PM »

Hi Elwynnsolo and Welcome to the forum. I'm fairly new to a bigger aquarium, but have had goldfish for around 5 years. I have made my share of mistakes and when getting my new aquarium, I told myself, this time I'm going to do this right. First, reading and research cannot be stressed enough, I have learned so much just by reading and not "winging it". Also, asking questions. This is a great group who will help anyway they can. First, I know you said you have a 20 gallon, how many fish are you keeping in it at one time? Reading up on Cycling is one of the most important articles (imo). It explains about the water quality, why it's important and about the API Master Freshwater Test Kit to check you PH, Ammonia, Nitrites and Nitrate levels. You should also buy a syphon to suck the fish waste up when doing your water changes. Are you using any chemicals when you change the water, and if so, what types?
I know there are others who will help as well, but we need just a little bit more information. Sometimes, no matter what you do, fish will die. I lost one this morning I've had for over 3 years, not sure why, but it's upsetting to say the least. This is a great hobby and I love goldfish, so I understand how frustrating this is for you.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 03:21:36 AM »

Read these articles: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) and (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

If you change all of the water every week, you're shocking your fish every seven days since the water changes so drastically and so suddenly, the pH, the hardness, the temperature, the ammonia is all completely different. So before you buy any more fish, cycle the tank. Everyone that keep fish should have at least figured out that temperature is important, lots of people who don't even know what cycling means keep their tanks standing for a few days before introducing any fish, so... where did it go wrong? Sad You probably have some live bacteria still in the tank if your fish died recently, so here's what you do:
- Buy yourself a water test kit so that you can check pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.
- Test your water quality, if ammonia is present, leave the tank alone for a few days and just add some goldfish flakes to it every second day or so. Test ammonia daily and remove about half the water now and then until nitrites start showing.

How big is it, by the way? If it's any smaller than 20 gallons, you can't keep goldfish in it.

It can be complicated at first, but it really is quite simple and logical Smiley Just ask in case there's something you need help with Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 11:10:29 AM »

I do know they had some kind of shock.  I use tetraor tetra plus for water changes. I keep 10 tsp of salt in a 20 gallon tank. A PETSMART EXPRT told me to raise it to 20tsp! I let the tank sit a couple of hours before putting the fish back.  Sometimes they exhibit no shock. other times they float kinda listles-I feed them their favorite tubifex worms immediatly after, it seems to snap them out of it.  I have to look into a test kit-I only thought ONLY  tropicals needed that close of monitoring.  I have a jar of somethung I picked up some where a jar called PH7. I havent tryed it yet, but its a white powder thats supposed to put your tank at 7 ph.  Is this something I should try?  Years ago I heard PH 6.8 was optimal for goldies.  I believe another probem is over feeding-my family thing the fish are cute when they jump up and down and greet you like puppies.  I was having REALLY CLOUDY water last week and couldnt figure out WHY! When I took my wife to work there were about forty pellets floating on top and clogging the filter intake!  The fish were belly on the bottom and gasping. I came back later and there was ANOTHER 40 pellets in the tank,and two fish were dead on the bottom and one was gasping his last and died an hr later. Thrir slime coat was milky w bubbles. One fish had just developed a little bloody fin rot that day.

Oh well I cleaned my tank with a half gallon of clorox and let the system run 2 days.  I put everything back rinsed clean. and put a double dose of tetra in it.  I bought some large feeders at the store with some maracyn. 8 died but 2 are doing well.I will be thru w the Maracyn in 2 days.  The fish are happy their top fins are up when I bought them they had fin rot, and probly other problems.  But if they keep looking good I will be happy w 2 plain goldies!

Thanks for the advice on the kit!  I have a set of test strips some one gave me,but I havent even looked at them yet-I have to reseach more!
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Re: Cloudy water,water changes-murdered fish! HELLP!
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 11:17:49 AM »

Allow me to reminiss the good old days!  Mom had about a 2 gallon fish bowl, about 50 cents,two regular goldies for 25 cents,at Woolworths.  A small thing of fish food for 10cents that lasted forever-the fish would always disapear after a time!  Mom would empty the bowl daily and put fresh well water in they stayed sparkling clear always!
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 11:57:45 AM »

Hi Elwynnsolo and welcome to the forums.

Firstly I would like to say that Koi, should not be kept in aquariums. They are pond fish and grow extremely large. So please unless you can provide a large enough pond for these fish, do not purchase them.

I believe you mentioned in your first post, that your tank is 20 gallons?
Stocking rules for fancy goldfish are a minimum of 20 gallons for the fish fish and 10 gallons for each additional fish.
So in your tank you should only have 1 Fancy goldfish.

If you have the single tailed variety of fish, these require more space than the fancy varieties, because they swim a lot more, so need the room for exercise. I have an article that I made about housing these fish, so please take a look at it; (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
But generally single tailed fish require very large tanks of about 6 foot or ideally nice sized ponds as they can grow up to around 12 inches.

May I also ask why you add salt? Unless the fish has signs of ick or some other illness, it's really not needed. What can happen is that with salt being constantly present, if the fish does become ill, the strain of illness it has could become salt resistant. Making it harder to treat.
On the subject of illness, may I ask why you brought maracyn at the same time as buying the new goldfish? Can it be used as a preventative for illness? I don't know a lot about the product so I'm curious  Wink

Also with the PH, goldfish are fine with anything between 6 - 8 ph as long it is constant and not fluctuating Smiley
My tank is around 7.4/7.6 and I've had no problems.

With regards to the over feeding, could you talk to your family and tell them not to feed the fish?
Goldfish only need small amounts of food once or twice a day. As long as the diet is varied, that is all they need.
What happens with un-eaten food, is it gives off ammonia, which is extremely bad for the fish and can cause them to become ill or even worse die. So it is essential to not over feed.

Tropical fish and cold water fish are exactly the same in terms of requirements and general care, the only difference, is that tropical's have a heater and may require smaller water changes.

I would be a little wary of cleaning tanks with clorox - I believe that's bleach? The double dose of water conditioner was a good call though, I personally just use warm water and a sponge!

I can understand if all this information is a little over whelming, I know there was a time when goldfish bowls were thought of as a suitable home, however within the fish keeping hobby, there is simply more knowledge and we now know that goldfish bowls aren't the ideal home for most fish, including goldfish.
I can understand your situation, I myself had 2 single tailed goldfish in a 21 litre tank, I lost one and now my remaining goldfish is in a 90 litre tank and will be moved to a pond as soon as she is a little bigger. So I have been there and am still relatively new to fish keeping myself.

Please let us know how the two remaining fish are doing. I wish you the best of luck with your fish keeping  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 02:07:09 PM »

Actually the Koi did well in a 37 gal hex tank . there were 2 and they got 8 inches long.  I bit off more than I could chew when I bought a 55 gallon tank. One jumped thru the top and committed suicide!  They sprayed for roaches- and the roaches went wild and jumped in w my last Koi, I saw him eat the roach-he was belly up the next day! So much for koi-they are too powerful to keep!  On another note after the Koi I caught a small Blue Gill or Sunfish at the lake.  I brought him back w 10 gals of lake water, and acclimated him to tetra and tap water. He did well for 3 months, but I had to let him go-I fed him live crickets and grass hoppers,but when winter came the local pet stores did not have live food-he would only eat if moving.

Okay it makes since one goldie for 20 gals.  The fish were getting big, and unbeknownst to me we used 3 months woth of food in 3 weeks!  I heard 1 inch of fish for 1 gallon of water. Is that for tropicals or not true at all!  I can deal w/one fish, my family thinks its cool to have a tankfull like the petstore and have crystal water! If I put a larger filter on there like for a hundred gal tank would it keep the water clearer?  I have a 55 gal filter on there now and a bublerfor the same.

I put salt in there all the time because SEVERAL people have told me they do and its the way to go. Goldfish originally came from brackish salt marshes-sooo isnt it better to always add salt?Ahhhh! what to do- they seem to do better with than without!

I bought Marycin beacause the fish were already sick,when I buy new fish I usually bring in some kind of treatment for infection. In the past I have often put OOmed,Quick Cure and thelike in every couple of months or when adding new fish. Naturally the companies that sell it recommend using it as much as possible,and prophilaxis is a good idea(I THINK)! The 10 feeders I bought were abused  rip fins finrot, and hungry as they often are. The 2survivors were very cheerful this morning and their top fins were up! the rot on their tails seems to have stopped!  It looks like i will have to start out on squaRE !.  So the logic in that is the feeders were 27 cent each-the fancy goldies $27 plus!  The suggestions seem to be get a water testing kit and get familiar w the use thereof!

Your right it is a lot to digest!  There are just so many 17 yo "EXPERTS" at pet shops-I really need good advice! I would appriciate any critisisms or advice!  I think I can contribute too because many of my fish did live long healthy lives-MAYBE WE CAN SHARE AND STOP MORE st*pid MISTAKES!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 05:18:27 PM »

Koi are meant for ponds, I know someone who has 4 year old koi that are over 2 1/2 feet in length! When you consider that Koi can reach at least a foot within their first year, you can see how tanks are just not right for them. Regardless of how well they seemed to be doing in your tank, they were no doubt stunted from living in such small aquaria, being only 8 inches.

I also didn't realise you would even be allowed to keep caught fish from a lake?

The 1 inch per gallon of water rule  Undecided I have heard of this stocking rule, but say you have an empty 20 gallon tank.....
What will be more comfortable? Twenty 1 inch fish, or one 20 inch fish? According to the rule both would fit, but a 20 inch fish in a 20 gallon tank, no way will it fit in there Wink Whereas twenty smaller fish, may be okay.

I don't think there is one stocking rule that can be applied to all fish. So sometimes it's better to research the individual fish, look into how big they can grow, do they need to be in groups, do they need large amounts of filtration, what sized tank do they need, that kind of thing. I wouldn't rely on pet store employee's either, your own research will be much better Smiley I also find it helpful to ask on forums like here and get advice from people that actually own and care about the animal rather than rely on someone who may or may not try and sell me something for a quick buck.

Also remember that pet stores have heavily stocked tanks, because they have a high turn over and sell a lot of those fish, the fish don't live there permanently, like they would do in your house.

As far as I'm aware, goldfish are freshwater, cold water fish. They do not need salt.
I'm not sure where the idea of them originating from brackish salt marshes comes from? But I've personally not heard of it or come across any information detailing that. If you have any articles or things detailing otherwise I'd love to see it.

Also if fish are already sick, do not buy them.
If you see an un-healthy fish in a tank, or lots of un-healthy fish in a tank at a pet store, why buy them?
I have heard of people who have tank space, time and money for medication, specifically rescuing fish that are ill.
But buying 10 sick fish and sticking them all in a 20 gallon tank, isn't going to help them.
As I may have already been mentioned, it would be over stocking the tank, but it would also over load the filters with too much waste all at once, causing bad water quality and with fish that are already sick, it's a recipe for disaster.

I've personally not stocked a tank, I have one goldfish, not much stocking involved there!
But I believe the idea is to stock a tank slowly, so that the filter can catch up with the bioload, with any new stock being quarantined for a few weeks in a separate tank. If illnesses arise within these fish during that time, then treat it as appropriate. Once the illness has been resolved, or if the fish have been healthy the entire time, then you can introduce them to the main tank.

This way you avoid the risk of introducing sick fish to your established tank and you avoid over loading the filters with too many fish at once.

Glad to hear the two remaining fish are okay though, how big are they currently? What type of goldfish are they?  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 06:04:04 AM »

The reason fish jump out of tanks is (surprise) water quality issues Wink
As Skwishee says, goldfish are freshwater fish, they can handle the salt but it will be irritating in the long run. Not to mention that the parasites will become resistant to salt if you keep it there constantly.

So... what are your plans now? Gonna get more fish?
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 11:56:16 AM »

Yes Ive kept Fantails and koi since 1988,except for living 5 years in stafford, va.  The water there would kill fish!  They said it had something to do w/ Quantico Marine base and the local water supply.  I saw people there buying many gallons of spring water at Walmart-they said it was the only way to keep fish in that area. The local Walmart shut down their fish section they kept dying! I was psyched when I moved to Mcdonough Ga 1 1/2 yrs ago.  The petstore guy said the tap water was almast always perfect!

I bought 10 feeders last weekend -treating them with marycin-8 died in the 1st 2 days.  They were sick, and had finrot, but at 27 cents each I couldnt go wrong!  The 2 survivors are doing well, their top fins are up and their tail fins are v shaped again, and healing.  Test strips say everthing is perfect-they are expensive!  I will go on line and see how much they are over seas.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 12:17:16 PM »

I find liquid tests are much more economical than strip tests, as they are more accurate and last much longer.
I have had my liquid test for 7 months now and I still have quite a bit left.

I'm assuming if you brought feeder fish, then the fish you have are commons?
These fish eventually need a very large tank (of at least 6 foot) or a very large pond (1000 litres minimum).
I have made a thread, that I linked earlier in this thread, about ways to house single tailed variety fish, so please take a look, here is the link again, just in case you missed it; (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Please don't buy sick fish -regardless of their price- unless you intend to heal them and care for them properly, in tanks of a sufficient size. As I already said, 10 sick fish in a 20 gallon tank is a recipe for disaster.

Please also see this article about Koi, I found it very informative, when I looked into them and it might help you with housing Koi in the future should you wish to build a pond  Smiley; (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Glad to hear the two remaining goldfish are doing well, I assume they must be juveniles right now?
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2012, 06:18:30 AM »

Why would you buy such a huge amount of fish if you don't have the space for them all? You need to plan more for your goldfish, they're pets just like dogs or cats. Would you buy 10 sick kittens and inject them with antibiotics having 8 of them dead in the first 2 days? |:

You haven't even started cycling your tank and then you dump maracyn into it? Not a good idea. Using medications like that will not only weaken your fish, but it will kill off whatever beneficial bacteria that might have started multiplying in your filters. You need to have a separate tank (usually a 10 or 20 gallon) as a hospital tank if you intend to be adding medications like that at smallest sign of illness. Usually a salt bath is enough to treat fungus or other minor damages on fish. Maracyn is heavy stuff that should be used only in serious cases, not as a preventive medicine or as quarantine medication.

You talk about learning from your mistakes, so please, try taking care of the water in your tank more, and the water will take care of your fish. We are willing to help you, so try and actually listen Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2012, 08:42:25 PM »

Oh well I tryed my best-Thanks for the info on liquid testers-I did a couple hrs of research on my PC. that seems the way to go!  The other 2 fish died, I guess they were too far gone,it wasnt water or ammonia spikes though!  I'm running my tank now with a new filter in it and cleaned out most of the detrius. 
I have a C battery vacuum to clean the gravel.  I am reading up on tetra water cond. thats puts the ph back to 7, and itis used on a weekly basis.  Also I am reading up on AMMO LOCK for ammonia-I used something like that once, it made the water terribly cloudy to me. Is that normal and does it go away?
Also does turning everything off at night make a difference?  My wife envisions 1000s of kilowatt hrs being run down if the bubbler and filter are left on.  I try to just leave the light off but it doesnt always work that way!
I am trying to understand what the charcoal does in the filter-and when its no longer useful.  I rinse and clean the filter often and replace the charcoal w/new charcoal-is that bad-what is going on with helpful bagteria growing in the filter when its changed? Arrrgh!  My ADHD, and ADD I have a hard time understanding what I read sometimes!!
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2012, 10:45:06 PM »

Hi Elywynnsolo,
I know when I first started asking questions (I was lost too) I was directed to learn about the cycling process. After reading up on it, I understood more about how it works. I'm not sure how long your tank has been up and running, but do remember it was 20 gallons. I decided to do a "fishless cycle" (which may take up to 6 weeks or longer-mine was right at 6 weeks) I used a declorinator (cant' remember the name right now) to remove the clorine in the water and I also used Nutrifin Cycle (for my bacteria) I know a lot of people don't like Cycle and after reading about Tetra Safestart used as a bacteria starter that is only added in the beginning, I understand now why they said don't use Cycle, it must be added with every water change. I don't mind adding it and get it reasonably priced from (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) guys.com. I also bought the API Master Fresh water test kit as suggested and used it ALOT in the beginning to make sure the cycle was moving along as it should. My PH is at 8.2, and has been that way from the very beginning. I also asked about adding chemicals to reduce the PH, but under good advice, left it alone and it has stay steady at 8.2 and my fish don't mind it a bit. I added fish food every 2 days (not a lot, just what I would normally feed two fish) and this started my ammonia to rise, which then made my Nitrites rise (sky high in fact-but this is normal) and eventually my ammonia went back down to 0, my Nitrites started coming back down to 0 and the Nitrates started going up (this is normal too) and they stay right around 20 ppm. Once all of this has happened, your tank is then pretty much cycled and you can then add your fish in, but as others have mentioned and some say 1 per 10 gallons, others say 1 per 20 gallon and then 1 per the next 10 gallons. Confused yet? The sponge, and media should just be rinsed out in your tank water that is in the bucket you are using to remove for replacing with fresh water and only replaced when it is totally falling apart. I rinse the carbon bag out as well and that I do replace around every 4-6 weeks. When my tank had cycled, I heard everyone talking about Prime, and researched it and it sounded like a really good declorinator as well as helping control the ammonia for the first 24 hours so I only have those two products, Cycle and Prime and they are both used at every water change. Other than that, I really don't do anything special. I change about 25-50% of the water every 5 days along with a really good cleaning, have slowed down on the water tests themselves to around once a week, about 3 days after I have changed the water. This seems to have worked for me, but I know others who are much wiser are also giving really good advise. I hope once your tank is fully cycled, you can find some healthy, but not real expensive fish to add to the tank. My last two fish were purchased at Petsmart for around $7.00 each. I also have a smaller tank that I like to keep them in for around 3 weeks before adding them to the larger tank, just in case they are sick and need to be medicated. I hope this helps. I also have aquarium salt, but I don't use it unless it's in the smaller tank to treat the sick one. One of our very wise members also mentioned that salt should be melted first before added to the quarintine aquarium, which I had never heard of-thanks for that wonderful tip Smiley Best of luck and please keep us posted on how things are going.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 07:13:03 AM »

Avoid Ammo lock, this will only make unnecessary problems when testing the water later, it will meddle with the results of the ammonia tests and can take weeks before it goes out of the system! Leave the pH alone, if you intend to keep a goldfish still in the tank, otherwise you should do some research on other fish and their needs.

Do NOT ever turn off the filters other than when you're changing the water and cleaning the filters. When you turn them off you basically remove most of the oxygen in the water, which both plants AND fish need during nights, just don't. Not to mention that the waste will be building up and the beneficial bacteria will die off in large numbers when the oxygen levels are depleted. A filter isn't using much electricity at all, and it's a much better option than suffocating your fish.

The activated carbon in the filter can easily be left in as long as it won't get too soggy. Carbon is absorbing chemicals in the water, I'd strongly suggest using that for at least 2 weeks on your tank after using that strong medication in it to get rid of any leftovers. When it stops absorbing the chemicals it will still serve as bio filtration media since the beneficial bacteria will be growing on it. I've had my tank set up for a year and I've changed the filter wool in the external filter once, the foam pads are still untouched in both filters, but they're getting pretty soft and soggy in the internal one, so I'll probably be changing that soon. In other words, <b>change only a small part of the filter media at a time, and do it every 6 months or once a year.</b> That works just fine as long as you rinse it in tank water every second week or once a month.
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 11:59:16 AM »

Thanks for the advice! My were being fed MEGA AMOUNTS of food.  The small portion I was feeding them is more than most of you of whom have made posts about feeding!  Then my wife and step daughter were pouring in tons!  I like tubifex worms-my goldies seemed to prefer them,and hit the dry cubes like great whites! I suppliment w/flakes or pellets for vitamins and minerals.

 Years ago I tryed live food such as earth worms and crickets caught in my yard.  The fish loved them and attacked w/gusto.  It seemed as though there were more diseases then! I stopped doing that!

I have read some of you feed PEAS and such.  I have tryed that and corn and cooked carrots.  I have squeezed the skin off and fed them the soft insides.  The fish poo looked much the same as when they ate it and clouded the water-I stopped doig that-I guess maybe the trick is to clean the detrius every day!

Ive also tryed Oat meal-I was told it made the fish more colorful-it made the water bubbly like beer! I guess the kid at the petstore got me! I have tryed cooked rice too and that seems to pass undigested.

But this was all many years ago, I only feed dry food now!
What type of fresh greens is advisable?
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 01:31:46 PM »

I am sorry to hear about the loss of your other two fish.

Are you intending to keep goldfish again or another type of fish in the 20 gallon? Researching on your PC sounds a good way to go, although try to be sure resources are reliable, as some independent sites, I've come across can have the wrong information.
But also with whatever fish you find that are suitable for the tank, do not let the tank be over fed!

As the guys have said here, the PH doesn't need meddling with, it should be okay, what is the PH normally? It might settle down without using products.

As for feeding pea's, it's very good for the fishes digestion Smiley I usually treat my goldfish to a little bit of blanched once a week.
But I've never had her poo actually cloud the water, are you sure it was just the poo that caused that? It could have been something else. Goldfish poo is often just small solid chunks, I've never heard of them dispersing?

I haven't tried oat meal or rice, I'm not sure if Goldfish can digest those? I'm not too sure if either of those are safe?

With fresh greens, I often treat Lucky to Courgette/Zucchini and Brocolli  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 02:41:38 PM »

You shouldn't feed them corn or oatmeal, their digestive system can't handle these things.

My goldfish enjoy peas quite a lot, as well as blanched zucchini and algae gel. Other people have had success with cucumbers, blanched lettuce, spinach, water melon (this should be fed very seldom, only as a treat!), and like Skwishee said: Broccoli Smiley
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Re: Cloudy water,water changes-murdered fish! HELLP!
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 04:17:26 PM »

Thanks for you input on food-I did this back in the 90's-by recommens of teen experts in pet stores!  I really believe they give customers bogus advice to kill the fish to sell more!  I raised Polly Wogs for my kids. I fed them boiled cabbage leave and boiled brocoli!  They got big quick, but the water really smelled sulferous!!!!  So it appears goldies have problems with starchy grains! Thanks again I am printing out these tips and making a booklet to reference!
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