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Oranda Discussion Ph crash,curled tail fin,water condition, diet, constipation,
« on: March 03, 2011, 05:54:15 PM »

Hi, Someone please help! I got an Oranda two weeks ago. I only cycled my 20 gallon tank for 3 days before I put him in. A few days later he began to stay near a corner on the bottom breathing slowly. I tested the water.

Ammonia: .50 ppm                          (Extra Facts: He's been in my aquarium for two weeks. He has three roommates,
Nitrite: 0                                               two small guppies and one baby catfish. I used to have live plants in, but i  
Nitrate: 0                                              removed them. He currently lives in a 20 gallon, with two large air rocks
Ph: +7.8                                               artificial plants for coverage, and hang-on-the-side filter (aqueon quite flow 20))

I first noticed he had cloudy eyes and treated him with Tetra Fungus Gaurd, symtoms began to clear. But now (about a week later) he has red streaks in his tail fin and part of his tail fin appears to have curled up permanitly. Im extreamly upset as he is a 4inch Beautiful golden Oranda and his name is Chubbs. I bough PRime by Seachem to reduce toxicity of ammonina and I bought Stability to help build up helpful bacteria, I have used both substances according to the package. Im afraid everything is unbalanced and I dont want him to die  Sad.  Help somebody please!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 07:07:39 PM »

First of all your Amnonia is high any trace of it can cause whats heppening now. Your Ph is a little high but I don't think its contributing. So this doesn't happen as often please move the guppies and catfish to a new tank. The guppies require a heater that goldies don't like and without it your guppies will become colorless and die. Your catfish will out grow a 20 gallon very fast especally with a goldfish and 2 guppies.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011, 11:25:22 PM »

Yes, the ammonia is too high.  Keep using the Prime on a daily basis and it will neutralize any ammonia.  You'll still get a reading of ammonia until your biological filter is balanced, but that's ok because the Prime is making it non-toxic.  Put in enough Prime every day to cover any new ammonia that your fish are creating.

Do partial water changes every day until the ammonia reading drops - somewhere around 30%.

Reduce feedings to once a day; the more you feed, the more ammonia gets created.  Food with higher protein content creates more ammonia than lower protein content.  Remove any uneaten food (an unused turkey baster is great for this).

The Stability is also a good product and will help you in this scenario.

Also note that higher temperatures and higher pH make the ammonia more toxic.

Keep a close eye on him and make sure no bacterial infections develop.  If you think he is developing more problems, post a picture and the current water readings.

It sounds like you are getting things on track.  Don't give up.  It will take some time for it to stabilize.

You can relax a little bit, just continue to improve the water conditions, use the Prime, and heed the advice from Fantailer.  A lot of people have gotten into a similar situation with their goldfish, but if you take care of him, he will get better and be ok.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 01:29:06 AM »

Thanks a lot (fantailer and summer time) for the timely info and piece of mind. Summer time, I'm afraid he is developing cotton ball fuzz stuff on his wren (fungus) and other fleshy parts of his head, the eye cloud even came back, he also has red veins showing in his tail (possibly hemorrhage).

 Are these caused by bacterial infections? (If so, what can I do naturally to get rid of bad bacteria, snails, bacteria eating fish???)  He is still pretty lethargic, swimming in place mostly towards the bottom, if not on the bottom, of the tank. He is eating fine, although I rarely observe him scouring the bottom gravel for food anymore. I removed the two guppies, but i'm not sure what I can do with the baby catfish, he is still in the tank. I'm unable to upload any decent pictures of him as it is nighttime, but tomorrow morning I will take a picture of him.

His bottom left tail fin is still curled upwards completely isometric compared to the opposite side, I felt it with my hand and it is hard to the touch (I cannot simply "bend" this part of his fin back). Summary

-2 weeks ago I added Chubbs in a 20 gallon tank that was only cycled for 3 days. (I began to cycle and my girlfriend surprised me with him on valentines day)

-Began noticing high ammonia volumes after observing lethargic behavior. Also, he began to form white spots I thought were ich and eye cloud along with red bloody streaks in his tail.

-Began treatment on day 4: Stability, 10-15% water changes daily. Also added a makeshift "good bacteria" house out of bio rocks (added them to aqueon 20) for 5 days, treated the 20 gallon with one capful of stability, continued 15% water changes. Added Tablet of Tetra "Fungus Guard"...I then saw improvements in white fuzz and red streaks began to diminish.

-Day 6,7,8, no water changes (stability was prescribed by local pet store owner, advised a 8-day treatment with stability) after I was told to discontinue water changes as it might be affecting "good bacteria colonies". After noticing no change in ammonia levels, I bought Prime by Seachem, began to treat water.
-Throughout all 8 days the ammonia level would fluctuate between .50ppm and 4.0 ppm, 4.0ppm being the highest.
- On day 7, 8, and today I am noticing the white growths on his head and eyes again, along with the red blood streaks in tail, also the BEND in his tail fin that I discovered shockingly today. I did a 10% water change treated with Prime.

- As we speak he is sitting with his belly against the bottom gravel with his dorsal fin down and breathing steady but lightly. I am terrified, I cannot sleep and I cannot take my eyes off of him. I want him to survive and have a good life, I want to save up for a bigger tank (although they dont sell them big and shallow the way Orandas like).

- I am putting aside water tonight to do a 70% or so water change in the morning, Im gunna change as much of the water as possible, I added Prime and am letting it sit exposed to air, I will do an ammonia test of this water in the morning which im sure will be zero. I cant take this anymore, if I have to do 100% water changes every day I will, I just want his fin to straighten out and the red streaks and eye cloud and white fuzz balls on his wren to go away! I want to come home and see him picking up mouth fulls of rocks and spitting them out of his fat pudgy cheeks and swimming mid tank back and forth all day. Sad

I hope there is someone out there (like fantail and summer time) who can help me with this in a timely manner. I know this is a lot of information to digest and analysis, I hope someone finds it in their heart to help me save my Chubbs. Details and examples and experiences will help. THANKS A LOT GUYS!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 06:50:12 AM »

The catfish will be fine for a bit.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 07:15:03 AM »

If you want to do a 70% water change, do it in 2 steps. Do 50%, then follow up with another of 25-30% right away.

10-15% water changes have not helped much. They should be more like 30%.

As for the white stuff, I'll send a separate reply.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 07:20:23 AM »

As far as medication, only use it when your fish is truly sick, which he is. I have had success with the Mardel products, like Maracide and Maracyn Two. If you can, when you need medicine for bacteria, use the gram negative type so it doesn't disrupt your good bacteria that you're trying to grow. Stay away from Coppersafe.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 02:47:19 PM »

The white stuff could be either a fungus or a bacterial infection. Looking at the Mardel disease chart, the fungus could be treated with MarOxy along with Maracyn or Maracyn Two. If it's the bacterial infection they recommend Maracyn. So if you wanted to use this chart, and if he looks strong enough to withstand the medication, you could reason to use the MarOxy and Maracyn together, just to cover both bases.

But don't do this just because I said it. I am not a vet and most people don't know what to do for sure. You have to make the decision and try to reason out the best approach to take.

Be aware that Maracyn is gram positive and will harm your biological filter and cause your ammonia to spike, so you'll have to use Prime and Stability and frequent water changes again, but that's just part of the process and it will stabilize again after this is all done, and your fish will be swimming happily.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2011, 10:57:20 AM »

Don't worry about the tail curl! That is only a bone deformity and a genetic issue and will not in one bit effect the health of your fish. My calico fantail I've had for about 2 years has the same thing, don't get concerned about that.

Like Summertime said, the white wen growth is probably a fungus, nothing to worry about if you treat it properly. I have 3 orandas and encounter that issue frequently...sometimes it's just misc. particles that get stuck between the folds in the wen, other times it's a fungus or bacteria. I've found sucess in dabbing the effected area with a Q-tip of hydrogen peroxide.

As for the red streaks in fins, the hemmorhaging is caused by water quality. Get that ammonia down! Keep using the Prime daily and doing water changes. When a tank is being cycled and established your water parameters will be pretty crazy, which is why it's important to use the neutralizer. The best way to be rid of bad bacteria is developing a source of good bacteria which will convert the bad.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 11:08:09 PM »

Thanks again to everyone who helped me out with Chubbs. He is alive a well and he is sifting through the rocks and he loves spinach, carrots, and peas and his new best friend, Talulla, a one year old female oranda.

I still have them in a 20 gallon, but ammonia is at zero. I am no longer treating the tank with anything, just 20% weekly filtered water changes treated with Prime.

His behavior is perplexing though. There are times when he will just sit in his little corner and rest on his belly and his dorsal fin will lay flat as if he is sick. But when I come around he is extremely social, not shy at all, he looks/loves the attention.

Today I noticed him do something I've never seen before, he went to slurp on some rocks and instead of slurping he thrashed the sides of his face on the rocks vigorously. It worried me a lot and I began doing research which led me back here.

I would say he sits on the rocks with his dorsal fin down about 60% of the time, the rest of the time he is back and forth, up and down, sifting through the rocks or begging for food/attention when I come around.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what could be going on with him. When he does swim, he swims at about 3 or 4 inches steadily with his dorsal fin erect, but occasionally his dorsal fin lays flat while he swims.  He doesn't struggle to swim and he doesn't have swim bladder problems, his diet consists of moist pellets every other day and as light snacks, and fresh veggies every other day.

My biggest worry comes from watching him rest his belly on the rocks. I could understand if he was swimming or floating in place even 1 cm above the rocks. But he actually rests on the rocks and his dorsal fin lies completely flat/limp and he does this a lot. My second concern is this trashing or rubbing vigorously against the rocks, but it wasn't with his body, it was like he was itching his cheeks against the rocks vigorously.

Thanks for all your replies, thanks to you my oranda is still with me. I hope you guys can help me figure out this puzzle. Also do orandas sleep? When they do, do they rest on the rocks with their dorsal fins flat? How often do they sleep? Thanks again to all of you!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2011, 02:22:11 AM »

Hi!  This is a sign that something's wrong. The fact that he comes to see you is good, but we need to figure out what's wrong before he declines so much that he doesn't come to see you. I don't know what is wrong, but someone will give you good advice.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2011, 06:25:00 PM »

So if your ammonia is good check for a nitrite spike. This can cause fish to dash wildly around and itch (the technical term for it is
"flashing") and also have clamped fins, sometimes red streaks in fins, and bottom sit. If this is so then do a large water change (50% or so) and treat the water with a good neutralizer like Prime or Amquel plus. Also, adding a dosage of salt will help counteract the negative effects of nitrite levels on fish by absorbing the nitrite around the gills.

If your nitrite is at 0 ppm, and I mean 0, not .5 or anything - then this sounds like ich or a bacterial infection. I would suggest treating with salt or a medication that won't interfere with your biological filtration. Can you see white spots on the body and fins of the fish that look like grains of salt? Then that is ich, a disease which causes irritated skin and flashing. If you can't, you may have a wide variety of problems. Sometimes fungus can cause the fins to stick together as well. Examine the fish's body CLOSELY to see if you can find anything...gray patches, bloody ulcers, or tiny lumps that move across the surface of the scales. Details are the key!

Orandas, like all goldfish, DO in fact sleep. I have 3, and the way they often sleep is by finding a quiet spot in the tank and hovering there, rarely moving. It is not normal for them to bottom sit with clamped fins. Those are two key signs that something is amiss.

Good luck and happy fish-keeping!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 03:31:14 AM »

I definitely agree with previous posters! And the best thing you can do for now is to test the water, you should always do that if your fish are acting strange in any way! If you see anything wrong with the water quality, do a large water change on about 50% and the problems should clear Smiley
That's usually all that's needed since water quality issues is the most common problem with fish that are acting strange or getting sick! I'd say that from now on, it would be a good idea to start changing a little bit more water weekly, I'd go with 30-50%. Of course, making sure that the fresh water is of similar temperature as the water in the tank.

What are you feeding the fish by the way? If it's the average flakes, I'd recommend giving them some vegetables like shelled peas or blanched squash and also some live foods: blood worms, tubifex, shrimp... mostly for the oranda's health's sake! Nutritious diet is as important for fish as it is for anyone Smiley
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 01:44:00 PM »

Good ideas with the food!  I also like the Omega One seaweed as a veggie, it's so easy.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 03:21:23 PM »

Seaweed's good!!! Tongue seriosly!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 05:53:09 AM »

It smells really good, too.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2011, 04:31:11 PM »

Goldiegirl, thanks for the advice. When your orandas "hover" in a quite place do they still move their front and back fins for? if they do, would you say they move them rapidly, or calmly?  Also do they ever lower their dorsal fin while in this mode?

Water levels seem to be perfect, no ammonia, nitrites. Nitrates are in abundance tho, they have remained around 40 to 80 ppm since about one month into having him and now I am growing green algae close to the light source.  I went ahead and added a small amount of table salt, probably enough grains to count.

Also, when he comes to eat he gets really excited, swimming rapidly up and down so close to the glass that when he gets to the bottom he turns on his side (grazing the side of his cheeks and body on the rocks) and then comes back up. It looks like it would be swim bladder except he only does this when he is excited about me feeding him or when he is shuffling through the rocks for food and cant get out of a tight corner (then he swims all crazy, turning on his side to fix himself.)

How often does anyone of your orandas sit at the bottom, for how long? Do any of your orandas ever do anything like this? Can you tell me about your orandas? How long have you had them? What size tank? how often do they "sleep"? What do they look like when they "sleep"? How do they act when you feed them? ANything unique that they do they makes you ask, "is this normal"? These questions are open to anybody who has raised an oranda to live long and healthy.

Thanks everybody!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2011, 02:47:17 AM »

When fish sleep, yes, they slightly move their fins, and no, the dorsal fin never goes down on a healthy fish. A healthy goldfish usually won't sleep unless the lights are turned off!

Are you LETTING the nitrates be 80ppm?! Do a huge water change immediately!! Nitrates are harmful already when they reach 50ppm, they make the goldfish very vulnerable to infection and disease!
And table salt? Normal, cooking salt? NO!! TAKE IT OUT. Table salt contains iodine which will irritate and hurt your fish!

He doesn't have any swim bladder problems, goldfish do that when they're going to be fed, they're simply excited about the food they're about to get. Swim bladder problems would be shown when the fish is having problems swimming, staying straight in the water. It may start listing on the side or even floating upside down! Which is also caused by bad water quality and a bad diet.
What are you feeding the oranda? They need a varied diet to stay healthy! More info here: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

My oranda, which I've had for over a year now, in a 317L/ 83 gallon tank (Bought another one recently who's in the quarantine tank atm.) and  never, ever sits on the bottom, not when it sleeps, not ever. She's twice as big as she was when I bought her and she's got a hearty appetite. She swims around back and forth in the tank while digging in the gravel for food Wink When I'll feed the fish, she's always the first one to get to the feeding corner, and all of the fish are swimming up and down while I open the packages/prepare their food. They sleep only when the light is turned off, during nights, all the goldies sleep scattered around in a big group in the middle of the tank, barely moving. They just hover, with their fins fully extended (since they're not swimming, the fins will naturally extend beautifully around the fish.), and a very peaceful look on all of them.
The quarantine baby wasn't very active in the start, which they usually are when they move to a new place, but she was eating well, and nowadays she's speeding about allover the place, tasting everything in the tank (the filter, the plastic plants, the real plants...), she never showed any symptoms of illness since I try to keep the water quality as good as possible.

POINT IS: Your fish are being poisoned by the nitrates, please carry out a 75% water change asap!! And change at least 50% every week after that. When the fish are sitting on the bottom or rubbing themselves on tank ornaments, there's in 90% of the cases water quality problems involved, which it obviously is here. A big water change will help! But considering that you added table salt into the tank, you may need to try and take out another 40% of the water in a day or two to make sure you'll be rid of the iodine :/ A WATER CHANGE WILL FIX IT! Wink Good luck!
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2011, 10:56:52 AM »

Nossie is right, orandas should sleep mostly at night. When they sleep they hover pretty close to the bottom usually and move their fins very rarely to hold their position without lowering their dorsal fin. And when they hover, they do not ever move rapidly.

Good that your other water parameters are normal, but you have too many nitrates! When your fish is displaying this wierd behavior of turning on his side to scratch, he is not just begging - he is irritated by water quality. Follow Nossie's advice about that. (Also, though I do use table salt myself, I use a special non-iodinized table salt for my goldies.)

Now about my orandas, I've had my red cap for about, hmmm, probably 2 and a half years now? Maybe closer to three. And my blue oranda probably a year or so. My chocolate oranda I've only gotten recently, only a few months ago. They only sit at the bottom of my tank when something's wrong with my water parameters. When I see them do that I dose the tank with Prime to eliminate any problems. Sometimes they do flash and act strange and thats when I know to do a water change and/or add Prime. They usually act that way if I've destroyed my good bacteria culture. That happened recently when I dropped my sponge filter in a bucket of tap water on accident.

When I feed them? That is a whole 'nother story. Most of the time they swarm in a mass at the top of the tank and push each other out of the way. Sometimes they poke their heads above the water while I lower the food and bob up and down like crazy. They like to eat out of my fingers after I pre-soak my flakes. Well, eat is a bit too polite. They GOBBLE!  Cheesy
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 08:04:45 PM »

Ok. My Chubbs has survived all my ignorances so far and now I have a 40 gallon and the water perameters are all almost at zero, ammonia less than .25bbm and same goes for nitrite and nitrate. Although what triggered my choice in buying a 40 gallon is because apparently the water in my 20 gallon was experiancing a ph crash, it went to as low as 6 at one point and my snail "joque" died.  Cry. Nowa days tho, life seems good for Chubbs and his mate Tallula in their brand new 40 gallon breeder (which has a cycled Marine land Power filter penguin 200 with two filers and a bio wheel). But lately Chubbs has not been pooping. I put them on an all pea diet for two days and waited to see a pooh from Chubbs but I never saw it. Tallula on the other hand is poohing left and right, i even saw an air bubble lodged in one of her poohs.

Also, I noticed the color in Chubbs go a little pale and the scales on little Tallula shed.

I change about 15% of the water weekly, by time water change comes around the water is yellowish green and white fuzz forms a layer all around the glass (which I remove with a magnetic brush).

There is also this weird white thing that appears to be growing on one of the leafs on the fake palm tree I have in there.
it looks like someone took about half an inch of a stick of a sucker and soaked it in water and bent it.

I also removed a lot of the gravel. there is probably about 6 cups of medium and small sized gravel. Which leads me to think my poor Chubbs might have swallowed a rock or rocks and is now clogged up and cant poop  Embarrassed.

Please provide only tried and tested insight. Thanks! Also, for those of you who helped me here is a short video of my chubbs and his tank mate Tallula.
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Re: Red Steaks on fins and curled tail fin
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 09:25:10 PM »

I'd also like to mention, I just fed them peas, tallula passed about an inch of waste, chubbs passed none.

His behavior was weird, he would take a big bite of peas and then chase tallula vigorously around the tank (i'd say a little more vigorously than during non feeding time) trying to nudge his face between her tail fin. Then when tallula would stop to sift through the rocks for food he would pull up right besides her and join in on the search for food. Point is, he is going crazy for food and tallula (who im pretty sure is a girl), so maybe his constipation is because of changing hormones and I shouldn't worry?

Also there is something wrong with the video I uploaded, sorry guys, im gunna work on getting one set up soon.
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Re: Oranda Discussion Ph crash,curled tail fin,water condition, diet, constipation,
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2011, 11:48:38 PM »

Its almost 2 hours later and my Chubbs is still frantically slurping at the bottom of the tank, as if he is starving or begging for food.

He was also thrashing on the side filter and on the bottom gravel. Tallula copied him by thrashing on the gravel then swimming into hiding. As we speak he is trying to eat the bamboo i have growing out of the tank. Now he is back at the bare bottom part of the tank frantically searching for food.

Worried, please help.
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Re: Oranda Discussion Ph crash,curled tail fin,water condition, diet, constipation,
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 02:59:36 AM »

So you're buying a new tank because of water quality problems in the old one? Forcing your fish to go through another cycle before the previous one even ended?

Here's the deal: Test the water every day, no excuses. Change out half of it every time the ammonia reaches dangerous levels, for instance 0.50 is a very worrying level, so sometime before that, to keep your fish safe. You need to do this until the ammonia AND the nitrites are all gone. Don't add any water treatments, your fish are sick/acting strange because they're being poisoned by the water.
Changing 15% a week in a cycling tank is NOT a good idea, follow the previous thing I wrote until the nitrite is gone, and then change 50% every week instead.

The problem here is the water quality, and your fish isn't starving, he's looking for food in the gravel, goldfish do that. Put the gravel back in the tank, calm down, and start changing some water. Feed the fish only every second day or so.
If your oranda won't improve after that, try adding some Epsom salts to the tank once the tank is cycled.
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Re: Oranda Discussion Ph crash,curled tail fin,water condition, diet, constipation,
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2011, 08:36:02 PM »

Turns out he took a major duece this morning and is happy as a claim. Could someone comment on the breeding thing? He's always chasing her around! Poor tallula.

Thanks!
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Re: Oranda Discussion Ph crash,curled tail fin,water condition, diet, constipation,
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2011, 09:12:17 AM »

Do you see breeding tubercles? Generally, an animal has to feel good to be able to reproduce, if they're in a cramped environment with bad water quality, I'd say breeding is pretty unlikely.
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