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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2010, 11:49:20 AM »

I've done some more detailed research through my books, and I found a few good points for you about raising goldfish fry Smiley

For the first two weeks, they should be fed brine shrimp nauplii, "home-hatched" would be the best option. You can buy those eggs in the store and hatch a few bunches every four hours. The good thing about feeding fresh, living brine shrimp nauplii (NOTE: nauplii aren't adult brine shrimp, but just larvae), is that it doesn't pollute the water the same way as home made or commercially bought fry food does. It also motivates the young fish to start hunting for food, at the same time as it will make them grow bigger in a shorter amount of time.
It says the brine shrimp larvae will hatch as such (The rest of the instructions would be on the package they're sold in):

"The eggs will hatch in 24 hours if the temperature is kept at 80 degrees. At lower temperatures, the eggs will take longer to hatch. Freshly hatched brine shrimp have the highest nutritional value, and my preference is to hatch a batch of eggs each day, so that the fry are fed with fresh brine shrimp daily. The brine shrimp can be harvested by allowing the culture to settle for a few minutes. The hatched egg shells will float, unhatched eggs will sink to the bottom, and the nauplii will gradually settle as a layer on top of the unhatched eggs. The brine shrimp can be pipetted out and strained through a fine net (...). Rinse the nauplii in fresh water before feeding. In general, one teaspoon of brine shrimp eggs will be sufficient for about 500 fry (...)

The fry should be fed as frequently as possible, ideally with fresh brine shrimp every four hours (...). As an alternative, it is possible to feed the fry twice a day very heavily since the allure of the brine shrimp keeps the fry hunting as long as the brine shrimp are alive and swimming. Excess brine shrimp will die and should be siphoned off to prevent fouling of the water."

He's mentioning growing algae in the tank as well, but I don't think that would work for you in that cup Wink But some vegetable matter seems to be good, so you could see if you can come up with something for them babies Smiley

The second two weeks you should start noticing their finnage, scales and body mass developing Smiley Here are some Microworms mentioned to be added to their diet, and you should keep feeding them at least twice a day. It says that you can order the worms online, or get them from aquarium groups? They should be cultured in a shoe box with oatmeal. It's also mentioned that goldfish that are improperly fed will end up having small bodies but really big fins (it's mainly about fancy goldfish I guess, so you probably don't have to worry as much about it). You should be feeding them heavily until they'll be at least six months old.

Now this may be a bit messy and.. badly written, but I do hope you'll find SOME helpful points there! Smiley I'm pretty sure you have a good feeding schedule though, and the things you feed sound good too Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2010, 12:43:01 PM »

LMAO!!  Thanx Nossie but I'm just imagining the work that would be...hatching my own brine shrimp.....manufacturing my own microworms ROFLMAO don't mind me...probably lack of sleep and I get punchy!! Cheesy  Oh you forgot insuforia which I could pour boiling water over a banana skin and let it sit and rot for a few days and then turkey baster those microorganisms out!LOL!  My fish would be flying out in the snow as I can imagine that going over well with my husband!!  I'm lucky he's tolerating this so far. Wink
There are "less messy" nutritional ways (and less work) to feed baby goldfish!  You can get newly hatched brine shrimp frozen or in the jar.  I went to my local pet shop and he told me they cannot eat the baby brine shrimp until they are at least 2 weeks old.  He said to feed them the rotifers for the first two weeks which are frozen into cubes.  These are all kinds of micro-organisms.  Thaw them out mix with a little water and drop a few eye droper drops into the water. Easy Peasy!! Wink
I also looked into live daphnia which you can buy online and the guy told me that live daphnia is too big to feed baby goldfish, which are just teeny water fleas.  He told me after 2 weeks to feed those too!  Everything seems to be after 2 weeks except for the the liquid fry food and the rotifers.
Thanx alot Nossie for all that great info!  It's great for someone who is a bit more ambitious maybe? Wink
Nossie, have you checked any siphoned water to see if you have any babies yet?  I guess I think since my fish spawned in the middle of winter everybodies should!LOL! Cheesy
OH! BTW, I did order some spiralina powder and the guy said to mix it with the liqiud egg yolk food and feed a few drops of that. a day.
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2010, 12:53:23 PM »

Here is a picture of the babies how they look on day 4.
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2010, 01:20:58 PM »

Nossie,
I'm sorry for laughing Sad  but I couldn't help it I had this vision of my kitchen counters being turned into a laboratory for manufacturing micro-worms and brine shrimp and the look on my husbands face!!  Crabby face!!! Wink LOL!

ANWAY, ANYONE READING THIS POST FOR INFORMATION ON FEEDING GOLDFISH FRY, YOU SHOULD FOLLOW NOSSIES PREVIOUS POST AND SHE HAS SOME REALLY VALUBLE INFO AND GOOD IDEAS. Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2010, 05:48:24 PM »

Ladies, I wish I could give you moar karma just now, but I already did, so I must wait a bit, LOL

This thread is one of the best I ever read.
And I WILL check the siphoned water... lol... as our Humphrey and Skippy got their breeding tubercules....

LOL, kitchen >>>>>> Lab to raise micro worms, brine shrimp.... hahaha I can imagine Brians face too ROFLMAO
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2010, 05:59:48 PM »

Yeah, my baby goldfish are not getting the gormet menu here! Wink
"Eat your egg yolk and you WILL like it!"  LMAO!!! Grin
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2010, 09:41:02 AM »

Hello Everyone,
It is now DAY 5!!! Can you believe it and all nine little sea monkeys are still swimming!! Cheesy
I noticed that over nite there is less food to take out in the morning and when I fed them at 6 am, and then again at 9am, there wasn't any food left in the bottom of the tub!!! Shocked
That means I have to either feed them more often or give them more food.
I decided to try the more food and try feeding them every 3 hours now instead of 2.

They are considerably bigger than just yesterday.  They look like little live bearer babies now.
Their bodies are fuller and they do have wee little fins developing! Smiley
BUT they are still so very tiny! Wink
I think there might have been some misconception to what size container I am keeping them in.
It is a plastic shoe box which 3/4 of the way full holds aproximately 1 gallon.
And I switch this out every morning with another tub, filled with fresh water from the tank (75 gallon) that they hatched in.  I fill this the night before and place it next to the tub they are in and place the light propped on this tub too so both will be the same temperature when I switch them in the morning.

I think it is very important, in this newly fragile stage they are in to keep very constant water temperature.
I will post a picture later so you can compare their growth. Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 4
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2010, 11:27:30 AM »

Hooray! This is wonderful to hear Minde  Grin I look forward to each day now as you post your play by play on the little swimmers Wink I had a dream about them too - how cool! I imagined being in the water with them and being small like them and I could see how beautiful they will be when they are grown up! One of the more peaceful dreams I've had in a long while ♥ Tiny fishy hugs and tweets from all of us here in Canada  Kiss
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2010, 11:54:15 AM »

Hi April,
Thanks so much!!  This is beginning to be kind of fun! Smiley
That is so cute you dreamt about them! LOL!
Glad it was peaceful and not a nightmare! Wink

Here are pictures of the babies.  Sorry but the first one is blurry.  Tried to get too close I think Undecided
They are so cute!  They see me and begin circling like sharks anticipating food I imagine. Cheesy
They also get the heck out of the way of the looming turkey baster now! LOL! When I go to do a water change before feeding they scram! Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2010, 12:01:42 PM »

OMG!!! is there a hint of orange on their tiny bodies? LMAO re the turkey baster ahahahaha!  Grin Bravo girly bravo! Doing such an awesome job raising them. Do you have a macro setting on your camera? That would help if you wanted to get even closer but I imagine they are constantly moving so probably not LOL Wow this is so much fun to follow!
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2010, 12:52:28 PM »

Sorry I'm a bit late here again Wink WORK IS KILLING ME LATELY, OMG. *dead*

Well, It did also say in that book that most goldfish keepers can't follow that kind of feeding routines, so they usually do it differently Wink There was a recipe by a ranchu breeder in that book as well, what he uses to feed his young goldfish (but probably at a later state in their life) If you're interested I could add that too Smiley It has some extra vitamins and whatnot there Wink

It's so fascinating to read about the progress with them and see pics! Smiley Where will you keep them when they'll grow older? Do you have any empty tank to set up for the kids? Smiley

Lol "circling like sharks" they're obviously goldfish babies and nothing else xD Them genes are kicking in!
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2010, 01:12:13 PM »

I think you should add it for all the more ambitious folks out there that like messy projects!! Smiley
Anyway it's interesting to read about different breeders and their ways of doing things, Wink
I read about this one guy who started out with over 1500 babies and ended up with only 1 surviving.
He said his biggest mistake was transferring them to a tank with a sponge filter too soon and they got blown around too much or sucked into the sponge, couldn't fine food and just the struggle against the current in the water was too much for them. Sad

Well they couldn't be anything else since there are only goldfish in the 75 galon tank! Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2010, 01:41:37 PM »

Ok, I just want to inform you all that the liquid fry has vitamin C and A in it and the Hikari Rotifers have vitamins C, Vitams B 1, 2, 6 and 12. and vitamin E and DHA and EPA and has a high micro algae content. Smiley
So just feeding these two things sounds pretty balanced for baby fry! Smiley
New to their diet is spiralina powder!  They love it!  I mix just a steak knife tip of spiralina in the famous white cup Wink with the liquid fry (2 drops), and 1/8 cube of rotifers, 2 drops of tank water then pour and "rinse" the cup in their tub! Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2010, 03:39:22 PM »

GOOD MORNING MINDE, I am reading this and enjoying it every single day. Again I say you do an almighty job CONGRATULATIONS.
And I can see some sort of yellowish colour too. Sqeek with delight. Grin
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2010, 03:58:45 PM »

Ok here is another way to get an idea of still how small they are.  If you look at the second picture just posted, above you will see a green thing floating to the far center right.  That is a piece of duckweed.  See the baby nearest to it?  Now you have an idea that a piece of duckweed is about the same size as the baby. Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 5
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2010, 03:10:52 AM »

They're so tiny! Smiley

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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2010, 08:09:21 AM »

DAY 6

Wow, the babies made it to day 6!  They definately grew longer and last night they looked leaner and longer, more of that triangular shape again.  After feeding them this am, now they are plumper again!  I tried to measure one last night and I would say that some are 1/4 of an inch long, including tail, and some are 1/8 of an inch long including tail.
I didn't get up at 6 am, but fell back to sleep, so tired.....then woke with a start and shot out of bed after 7 am, cursing and kicking myself!  Whew, all the babies were still alive but empty insides and hungry!
I bought 5 gallon plastic dish pans, which will give the babies more swimming room.  I got them at Walmart for $3 a piece.  I bought 2 so I can still do the complete water changes.  I will only fill them to 4 gallons tho so there is plenty of air/water surface space.  I just like doing the complete water changes.  Between the egg fry food, and the Rotifers and spiralina, the water looks like slurry!  Suspendd particles everywhere and a slight greenish tone like pea soup!  Overnight what they didn't eat all falls to the bottom and sticks to the sides, because the egg fry food is quite oily.  So by the next day eveything is scumy. Lips sealed  Not only that but it has this swamp smell to it too!  How lovely is that? LOL!  Care for breakfast now?  Grin
Boy I sure am getting the stair-stepper workout!  The babies are in the basement so every day I make at least 20 trips down two stair flights, one smaller one and one larger.  Plus this am I ran down those stairs!  I ran so fast I scared the cat, who was sleeping in a chair.  Cheesy
I will post pictures later. Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2010, 10:05:58 AM »

Hah! Hey, you have to be a bit more careful Wink You may break a leg or something the way you're running around for those babies Grin
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2010, 12:55:43 PM »

I'd run around like mad too, lol, but nevertheless Minde, please take care.
It is amazing how quick they grow and VERY GOOD that all of them are hungry Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2010, 01:35:24 PM »

Here are DAY 6 pictures.
The babies are rounding out a bit again ....getting ready for another growth spurt I imagine!
One behavior difference I now notice is that they "pick" at food on the bottom now like regular fishes do! Smiley
Before that they just swam around probably catching particles in their mouths and sometimes they would jerk at a particle of food that was floating midstream. Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2010, 05:22:43 PM »

Squeeeek, all those tiny glass kommas, so lovely they start and pick up food. This is a huge improvement. I feel so happy for you Minde. I know the feeling when you spot a new tiny, tiny life... Kiss
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2010, 05:33:12 PM »

Woohoo!!! this is amazing can see their little eyes now  Shocked
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2010, 10:40:17 PM »

I just went downstairs and fed the babies and some of them have little tiny pectoral fins!! Smiley
Isn't that amazing!!! Shocked  Still day 6 and I see cute little fins flapping away in the water as they swim around! Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 6
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2010, 11:30:47 PM »

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I just went downstairs and fed the babies and some of them have little tiny pectoral fins!! Smiley
Isn't that amazing!!! Shocked  Still day 6 and I see cute little fins flapping away in the water as they swim around! Cheesy

It IS amazing Minde  Shocked

I am always thinking what a wonder! Every single time I watch our babies and the tiniest ones only 6mm long and 1mm thick with 2 pin sized eyes and microscopic little fins wiggling already  Shocked Nature is just so fantastic...
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 7
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2010, 08:05:00 AM »

DAY 7
WE'VE REACHED A MILESTONE!! Cheesy
Got up this am and didn't feed them first, but caught them and put them in the clean 1 gallon bucket.
They are faster and harder to catch that's for sure! Smiley
I'm still using the famous white cup to catch them as I think a net may damage them since they are still so small!
This will be the last day using the 1 gallon bucket.
This is the first time they look a bit overcrowded or like they need more swim room.
So we are at the 7th day and they've grown considerably ...like overnite, and again most all the food was eaten overnight! Shocked
That is quite a change from even yesterday morning.
I also feel comfortable feeding them every 3 hours now.  So the babies are growing up and life is getting a bit easier now! Wink
I will post some pictures later today!  Sometimes I feel kinda dum posting pictures everyday when there  is soooo little development and certainly not maybe even enough to capture on my crappy camera!  I mean I won't be able to capture the fact that they grew little pectoral fins overnight!!! My husband said he would help hold a halogen light over the bucket so maybe the pictures will be a little clearer.
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 7
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2010, 08:55:17 AM »

Congratulations! Smiley I bet all of them will grow up to be sweet goldies! Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 7
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2010, 12:27:42 PM »

HAPPY BIRTHDAY 1 WEEK!

Since my babies seem so much more advanced I decided to try baby brine shrimp!  Wink
Well seems to be a hit! YAY!  For some of the smaller less advanced babies I fed also rotifers, and liquid fry food.
Here are some current pix! Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 7
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2010, 01:38:13 PM »

Happy week old birthday babies! Incredible how much they have grown Minde  Shocked Love seeing the pics every single day too Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 7
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2010, 12:05:15 AM »

HAPPY BIRTHDAY for the little Goldie Babies.

I am looking forward seeing pics every day. Wow, it is a milestone Minde. Bet it was a lovely Birthday Meal for them tiny wees Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2010, 01:09:44 AM »

OMG MINDEMAE!!!!!! I never check this part of the forum as I know nothing about fish breeding but I'm glad I did even if a little late Tongue That's amazing they had babies and I'm so interested to see that's all our goldfish once looked. I can't imagine Sunshine and Clementine being that small and undeveloped  Cheesy

I can't wait to see them keep growing, what will you do with them when they are adults?
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