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Mindemae
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2010, 01:12:35 AM »

Thank you Nossie, Hanna, and April for all your kind words of encouragement and suggestions and seeing me through on this new adventure!  It is so much fun!
Did you know that this is a critical time for goldfish fry in that alot of them do not survive past 2 weeks?
Sometimes I drive myself crazy wondering...am I feeding enough or too much! LOL!

Some of the things that kill goldies by the 2nd week are:  Starvation, too much current in the water, polluted water from too much food being fed or food that they cannot eat so it sits and rots, water chemistry that is not pristine,
gill flukes (believe it or not!), and fungus or bacterial infections.
Scary for my wee ones!
So I hold my breath until they reach Day 14!

Now it is DAY 8!
Some changes...They are in their new digs.  Bigger space for them.  they are liking their $3 dish pan from walmart!! Cheesy  I added a air bubbler wand and suction cupped it to the side of the bottomof the dish pan.  They have a little bigger current than they had with just the air stone.  I have it dialed down with an air controller.
They have new foods being introduced and a new menu to follow.
They also are being fed every 3 hours instead of two!  I am feeding Liquid fry only once a day now and have added HBH fry food, Hikari First Bites powdered food and a homemade recipe fry food called Vitaline.  It has shrimp and beef in it, and so they dine on surf and turf before bed! Grin
I will post pictures later for day 8.  
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2010, 01:19:58 AM »

Oh hello Andrea and welcome to my baby Goldfish Diary day by day account.
I have never raised goldfish fry before so this is something new for me!
My goldfish have had babies in the pond and they some how survived but never have I had them survive in a tank setting.
I imagine if they make it that far to adulthood, that they will join the other goldfish and go out in the pond this summer. Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2010, 03:19:24 AM »

HOORAY Minde,

all sounds so good to me, I have full confidence that you're doing the right things. We all here are waiting every day to read about the progress.  Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2010, 05:02:51 PM »

Here are pictures of my 2 favorite babies as they are the biggest so far, on DAY 8.
EVEN THO I AM NOT GOING TO CULL ANY, I can see that this is the point where culls are made as a couple of the babies are half the size of Little Big and Chad.   Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2010, 09:08:07 PM »

So so small. But I can definitely tell that they have grown since the first photo you posted Smiley
Its good that you are not going to cull any. But just curious...why would someone cull them because they are smaller? Is it because they think that they won't end up growing as big as the others?
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2010, 09:13:06 PM »

Minde they look so good!!! Was about to ask the same question Abbie Wink I know that with baby birds it is because the larger ones will often snag all the food faster and the little ones don't get as big as a result. I wonder if maybe this could be the same for wee fishtailers ♥
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2010, 09:20:23 PM »

I think with breeding goldfish, breeders feel the underdeveloped ones may not be as hardy. Smiley  In other words they wouldn't be good for re-breeding.  But heck I can set up a "special needs" tank for them if need be. Wink
So if I were to cull these guyz at this age I would just throw them in the 75 gallon tank and let their parents and tank mates eat them. Sad
I'm not doing that since I am partial to the stories of "The Little engine that Could" and "Leo  The Late Bloomer".  LOL! Wink Wink Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2010, 12:00:10 AM »

Makes sense. If you have fine water parameters and all it shouldn't matter if they are as 'hardy' or not though. But I guess I do understand the breeders perspective.
Can you see any colour on them yet? Smiley It must be so exciting watching them grow up and having no idea what they are going to look like.
Do you know who the parents are? Wink Maybe you will be able to tell when they are a little older.
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2010, 02:36:00 AM »

Sorry! Got lost... took a wrong turn... CONGRATS on the new arrivals Minde! Dont lose sleep over them. A healthy mom is vital for these little guys Smiley

they look freaking adorable, I'm glad that theyve made it this far. Im sure they have a fighting chance now.

Minde, you're a miracle worker I swear, taking sick fish and little baby fry under your wing Cheesy it's very heartwarming, which is nice because it was blizzarding out today XD

Keep up the good work! Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 8
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2010, 04:07:15 AM »

Awww Minde, Kat is so right YOU ARE SO AWESOME caring for sick fish, raising fry and giving them all LOVE and a beautiful home.
Let me hug you, you lovely soul Kiss
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2010, 06:29:02 AM »

DAY 9

Abbie:  I'm not sure who the parents are but I have some idea it might be KingXBiggie.
            Biggie is a female common/comet cross have had her for almost 12 years.
            King is about maybe 4 years old...I adopted him last year from some people, who didn't want him.
            If the babies are all orange then I think Zippy might be the dad since he only has some white on his tail
            edges.  If the babies are red/white then King is probably the dad, which will be good but King is a common
            with short tail fins.  I'll have to wait and see as the babies get older. Wink

Hey Kat:  Welcome to the diary of my baby goldfish!  It's really kind of fun!  I'm doing better with sleep now that
                they eat every 3 hours. Wink   I know how you feel about the snow!!  We're being blasted with the white
                stuff too!! Wink  Ah well, what is Christmas without snow?

Hanna:     I'm not the only one that takes in hurt or helpless creatures! Wink  It's a real joy to see them thrive...and
                 that is the best reward. Smiley


So here we are at  DAY 9!!!   exciting but scary too.  Some of the babies like I said earlier are not growing as big, 2 in particular.  I was thinking mother nature may cull them for me.  Heck, thinking about it, I was wondering if their brothers and sisters may have them for lunch one day. Tongue
Well, you never know so we shall have to wait and see.....
They still enjoy the liquid fry, which says on the insert to only feed a few days but I feed it as their first meal of the day since it is breakfast food...LOL! J/K  I feed it mostly first thing because it's the easiest to grab and feed.  Other sources say they feed Liquid Fry for the first two weeks.  I guess as long as they still like it, I will continue to feed it through DAY 14.
I've also been thinking of adding a water conditioner to their water....a complete one with salt and methylene blue in it...at least it might keep fungus and bateria away? Smiley
I'll have to give that more thought too...I might just add it to the 75 gallon tank since I take the water from there daily.

The only two foods now that I notice are not eaten completely during one feeding to the next..(so I have to turkey baster it out), is the baby brine shrimp...probably a bit too big for the smaller babies....and the vitaline, which is a bit coarser than the other dry baby foods.  I like to feed that before bed so they have something to pick at all night.

Thank you ALL for your continued well wishes and support in this endeaver! Smiley

I will post pictures of the little darlings later today! Wink




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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2010, 06:45:22 AM »

Fish genetics are a tad different. For instance, if you breed two black moors, there's no guarantee that all the offspring will be moors, but some may be completely normal fantails or something, due to the genetic build-up Smiley
In other words, these fish of yours will probably never know who's the daddy since they could have basically any colors from their grand parents as well Smiley Not to mention the fact that a few daddies might have been involved in fertilizing the eggs Smiley

And also, just because some of the fry are bigger, doesn't mean the smaller should be culled, I've read that some breeders noticed that the smaller ones may have prettier, more delicate features while the bigger ones will be more robust and less elegant Smiley They mostly look at the fins, body shape and color.

Very nice idea with the water conditioner! I think that could solve the whole disease risk without any bigger problems Cheesy
Keep it up Smiley Can't wait to see pics of them when they'll be an inch or so long Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2010, 07:44:04 AM »

Yep Minde, conditioner and maybe meth-blue I'd add it into the 75 gal. I may remember reading it somewhere that for fry there is another dose to use than for adult fish, quite less... Maybe this is a good thought.... Wink

Glad you get some more sleep now.... BTW I'm going now too to catch some ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Good Nite Minde... see ya in the morn...chrchrchr
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2010, 08:35:55 AM »

Well,  I decided to do a complete water change and added 1/2 tsp to the 4 gallons of water, which is less than half the dosage recommended on the bottle. Smiley  They seem fine and swam around their new water and ate the rotifers I fed them.
All nine babies still swimming on the 9th day! Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2010, 12:02:23 PM »

Excellent! I am very glad to hear you are getting more sleep. Can so appreciate feedings every 2 hrs as I've done it with my feathered kids. It's sometimes beyond explanation how tired you can get but the labor of love keeps you going  Grin
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2010, 01:15:01 PM »

Nossie,
Yeah, I suppose I won't really know who the parents are, but I do know that they are either going to be common or comet or a cross of both!  Wink  I would really love it if my only shubunkin had donated to the baby fund...but I doubt it.  It's just exciting wondering what they will look like a couple of months from now when they should start turning their real colors!!  AND whatever they turn out to be theses little offsprings from 10 cent feeder goldfish will still look smashing in my pond! Smiley
Not to mention but I think this is great practice to do, incase I find oranda babies again some day. Wink

Hi April,
Yes, sleep is nice!! Wink  Makes things look so much happier and gives you renewed energy!!  I was Zombie woman the last week! LOL! Cheesy
Did you ever have to cull any baby birds?  That would be so hard.  I just can't even bring myself to do it to feeder goldfish!  Sad
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2010, 01:51:58 PM »

Here are my sweet darling babies on DAY 9 !! Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2010, 02:32:46 PM »

They'll probably be beautiful fish no matter who their parents are Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2010, 03:48:58 PM »

I'm definitely starting to notice some growth now XD They aren't so microscopic!

And I definitely agree with Nossie. Those fish will be absolutely beautiful once theyve grown.

Oh! I should ask, when will they be fully grown, anyone know?
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2010, 04:05:45 PM »

Umm... when they'll be about two months old they should look more like goldfish Smiley
The third and fourth week they should start growing faster and it should be possible to recognize the scales and color.
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #80 on: December 13, 2010, 04:10:44 PM »

To follow their developement is so amazing.
And they sure will be beautiful and happy fish, with such a caring and loving mummy Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #81 on: December 13, 2010, 04:16:09 PM »

If you look closely in the first DAY 9 picture posted, you will see tiny white dots on the bottom of the container next to the baby fish, those are baby brine shrimp.   Smiley
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #82 on: December 13, 2010, 04:56:57 PM »

Minde: they are getting big!

and in your definition I don't have Christmas or do I!?
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #83 on: December 13, 2010, 05:51:42 PM »

Oh Fantailer,
You surely have xmas too even without snow! Wink
there are lots of places that do not have snow and still celebrate xmas! Smiley

Yeah, the babies are getting bigger .
They seem to grow overnite. Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #84 on: December 13, 2010, 06:39:42 PM »

I agree 100% : its absolutely amazing watching little fishies develop.. I dont think I can wait two months for those little guys to grow... XD

Minde, do you have a tank for them when they get older?
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #85 on: December 13, 2010, 06:54:10 PM »

You mean the $3 Walmart dishpan isn't good enough? LOL! Wink Cheesy Grin
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #86 on: December 13, 2010, 07:17:05 PM »

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Hi April,
Yes, sleep is nice!! Wink  Makes things look so much happier and gives you renewed energy!!  I was Zombie woman the last week! LOL! Cheesy
Did you ever have to cull any baby birds?  That would be so hard.  I just can't even bring myself to do it to feeder goldfish!  Sad

I don't blame you I couldn't do it either. With my Cockatiels, there were only 3 hatched 2 days apart but the last one didn't arrive until a full week later and was very tiny next to his 2 older sisters. He seemed to be the loudest of them all though when it came time for hand feeding  Grin
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 9
« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2010, 05:00:55 AM »

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Minde: they are getting big!

and in your definition I don't have Christmas or do I!?
Hey fantailer, it doesn't matter, snow or no snow, Christmas is about Love, spending quality time with your family, sit together at a lovely meal, share stories. This is the main thing. And if there is a little present for the loved ones it is perfectly fine, it is the thought and not the value...
Everybody celebrates Christmas, in the Northern Hemisphere it is mostly cold and snow, here in the Southern Hemisphere Santa wears thongs and red bathers and surfs on the waves  Grin


SORRY Minde to be a bit off topic.... but I had to put my few cents in...
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 10
« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2010, 05:40:05 AM »

DAY 10

Every morning I get up and do a head count and I am happy to report that all 9 babies are still swimming! Cheesy
Here is the babies feeding schedule:

FEEDING SCHEDULE

6 AM    Liquid Fry
9 AM   Frozen Rotifers
12 PM  Frozen Baby Brine Shrimp
3 PM   Spiralina powder
6 PM   HBH Fry Food
9 PM   Hikari First Bites
12 AM Vitaline

They are doing pretty well with this schedule, altho I did throw in an extra feeding of rotifers yesterday.
If you look closely, with a flashlight if you have to, you will see their digestive tract empty or full.
If it is empty by all means feed them!  The rotifers are a good choice. It's a little more substantial than the liquid fry at this point. Also, you always want to introduce any new foods slowly.
And lastly, I want to add, that I do a mini water change before every feeding with my handy dandy turkey baster.  You will see uneatened food on the bottom of the container.  By all means suck it up and I suck even a little more up.  You don't ever want to leave uneaten food in their container.  It amounts to about a cup of water each time. Then I add a cup of fresh water from the big tank they were hatched in (75 g), to replace what I took out.  If the water is looking a bit scumy, I do a complete water change.  I also, am adding a complete water condtioner that contains salt and methylene blue in it when I do the complete water change.
I use half strength of the water condtioner at this point.  I'm writing all this down, so I can remember what I did someday when I have more little ones to care for!  Smiley
I will post DAY 10 pictures later...for now it is time to catch a few more zzzzzz's. Wink
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Re: BABY GOLDFISH DAY 10
« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2010, 06:36:01 AM »

Thanks! Grin
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