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Novaguin
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Exciting news, maybe?
« on: October 08, 2010, 05:18:28 AM »

Hi again,

Sorry for absense. Been on holiday. Well, I've just received permission from my mum to make a pond in the backyard. I was wandering if it's a good idea, or should I just stick to a tank? Ponds seem easier to me, but I want an unbiased, expert opinion. I don't have to worry about the labour, because it'll be spread out over a few days. I'm just wandering if it's a good idea. Also, could orandas survive in a pond over winter in Australia without a heater. If it needs a heater, well then so be it. Thankies SmileySmiley
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 06:47:34 AM »

You really shouldn't keep Oranda's in a pond, they just aren't designed for it heater or no heater. I would steer clear of keeping any of the fancy/egg-shaped goldfish and just stick with putting comets and commons in there.

I don't know much else about ponds so I don't know what else to say. I imagine tanks are easier but if you do alot of research well maybe you can do it Smiley
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 10:22:42 AM »

First of all, a pond might be easier to maintain, in the way that the fish will take care of themselves mostly as they find food in the pond Smiley But you will need a filter in this as well, and from time to time, you might need to perform water changes. Not to mention that it's harder to control the temperature and water quality in a pond. And, predators and parasites will be a constant threat.

YES, you can keep orandas in a pond, but in that case, choose the warmer time of the year to make sure that they won't be exposed to any bigger temperature drops. Which would shock the fish to the degree where they'd get a swim bladder disorder. The kind of swim bladder disorder that you couldn't treat anymore.

So do as Andrea suggested, if you want a fish to live in the pond during the winter months, you'd better keep commons, comets of shubunkins in the pond, which are hardier than egg-shaped varieties Smiley You can buy a heater for the winter if you want so that the water won't freeze over completely! And remember not to feed the fish at all during the winter as they're hibernating Wink
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 04:39:42 PM »

Here in Australia there is the biggest problem with predators like SNAKES, also Ibises steal the fish out of the pond, this means it has to be covered witha protective net. The pond also has to be in a well shaded, aerated area in the garden because the summer sun is very very hot. Then the winter nights can be pretty chilly.

You also can post on here in the section especially for pond fish, there sure are more people who are specialised in it.  Smiley
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Novaguin
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2010, 07:18:48 PM »

I've been thinking about that, and I think I should put chicken wire over the pond during summer. I've checked some council regulations, and they say the pond can't be over 2000L or 450mm in depth without getting building approval. Do you think 450mm is enough for the goldfish? We have a padio beside where I hope the pond will go, so it should be shaded 80% of the time.

Oh, and the reason why I didn't post in the pond section was because it hasn't been active for a while.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2010, 09:38:24 PM »

As I am not experienced in goldfish ponds, but having seen a few I think ( only think ) the depyh should be fine.
If you go over the council "limit" you will not only need approval but also a fence, I believe... like the new fencing rules for portable inflatable swimming pools  Sad
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2010, 11:57:11 AM »

That depth should be fine d: Larger surface area is more important for goldfish anyways, for maximum gaseous exchange Smiley

Either way, doesn't matter where you post because all new posts will be marked anyway, so we'll notice for sure Smiley
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2010, 09:40:32 PM »

It's gonna be a circle, 2.3m in diameter.
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2010, 03:36:54 AM »

Will a filter be necessary for the pond? BCC states if the pond has a filtration system, it has to get building approval and get a pool fence around it. It's kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Like anyone's gonna drown in 45cm deep water, but I guess they're meant to..."protect us."
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2010, 04:24:27 AM »

As it is stagnant water: yes you need a filtration system and aeration too. Much the same like in a fish tank
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2010, 09:21:30 AM »

Filtration is definitely needed UNLESS, you plan on following a nice water change schedule. Meaning that you change water every day during the summer and every week during fall, then you slowly start working from every second week during spring until you reach every day again Cheesy Not to mention that you can't stock the pond too heavily if you won't have filtration.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2010, 06:38:54 AM »

The pond idea probably won't work out because of the building approval. Sad
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2010, 07:47:50 AM »

Aww, that sucks Sad Is it hard getting that?
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2010, 01:56:35 AM »

Takes a few months, and it's about $400. Also, there's the chance they won't approve it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2010, 02:49:02 AM »

That's quite a pain then :C Maybe you should just go for tanks for now Wink
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Re: Exciting news, maybe?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2010, 06:56:36 PM »

Yeah that is too bad and I agree ridiculous!! Roll Eyes
A pond has it's pros and cons.  They are beautiful and relaxing and quite the conversation piece when friends and relatives come to visit.  To keep them looking nice, you would want to check them every day and skim leaves off the surface and any other debrie.
I think a filter and some sort of aeration device such as a fountain is necessary.  I only feed my pond fish once a day since they get so much natural food.  Pond fish are very hardy and healthy looking.  I am always amazed when I bring my fish in for the winter how bright red and healthy and fat they are. Wink
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