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bubblez
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experts?
« on: April 23, 2011, 12:30:54 PM »

hello everyone! im new here and new to the hobby!
i recently bought 2 goldfish, im prety shure they are the common kind.
right now they are in a way to small tank but my living situation isnt that much better, im feeling like a fish in a bowl. im moving to a very big appartment in a month or 2 and i will get the biggest tank possible. im than probably gonna add 1 or2 more goldies and a sukerfish
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A SUCKERFISH WITH GOLDFISH? ive been reading different opinions
so rightnow i have 2 common goldfish, i know comets are a good math with commons,
WHAT OTHER SINGLETAIL GOLDFISH ARE OUT THERE?
also, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET OTHER KINDS OFF FISH WITH GOLDFISH?

ok, so now im wondering few more things, how big does my tank need to be for just the 2 goldfish? and how does my tank has to be to add a suckerfish and 1 or 2 more goldies


im a little shamed off my tank right now, is it possible for them to survive in a tiny tank for another month or so, they seem to be very happy and alive, i have also 1 living plant in it but no filter, i do move the water with my finger alot for circulation
and i clean the tank alot! once a week compleet water change and half away the week i take most off water pout and add fresh.
also im using bottle water and conditioner.

all tips welcome!
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fantailer
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Re: experts?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 03:39:14 PM »

All right 10 gallons per goldfish and 50 gallons per suckerfish.

I think those fish would be okay in a 5 gallon for a week or two. Any smaller get a bigger tank!
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Summer Time
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Re: experts?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2011, 05:51:52 PM »

Congratulations on providing a home for some goldfish!  Well, you have a lot of learning ahead of you.  A lot of people start out like this, then end up taking emergency measures to keep their fish alive.  Their health will seriously decline with poor living conditions.  The growth of your fish will be stunted in a small tank, meaning that their internal organs will continue to grow, but their outer body will stay small, killing and deforming the fish.

You need to get a filter for them, and an air stone, but the filter is most important.  It cleans the water, as goldfish are VERY messy and produce a lot of waste.

Please read and understand about cycling a tank and the nitrogen cycle.  There is a lot of good information on this forum, especially in the 'stickies' under each topic.  Another good one to read is about what to feed them.

It takes time for a tank to cycle, so you will need to add a product called Prime, which neutralizes the ammonia that your fish create.

Don't get any more fish until you get a larger tank.  The calculation is something like this:

1 goldfish - 20+ gallons
2 goldfish - 30+ gallons
3 goldfish - 40+ gallons

Or you can calculate the tank size like this: add up the adult size of your fish, which is 10-12" each, and figure 2 gallons per inch.  So 2 10" goldfish need 40 gallons.

Bottled water is bad for fish, unless it's all that you have access too.  Use tap water, conditioned for chlorine, chloromines, and heavy metals, and make sure the same temp as the old water.

That should get you off to a good start, but read, read, read so you can provide the best water and home for them and they will stay healthy.

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Nossie
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Re: experts?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 11:20:04 AM »

I agree fully with Summer Time, please follow her advice!!
On the other hand, if you want to keep goldfish and a suckermouth fish together, that should work fine, I've had my pleco for months now and everyone in the tank are just growing and getting along just fine Wink However, you can't buy just any suckermouth catfish. You'll need to do some research about them too, so that you'll know which ones prefer the same type of water and diet as goldfish do. You also need to know how big the catfish grow and whether they're territorial or not, if they want a shoal or if they live alone.

If you want four goldfish, an absolute minimum size of the tank is 40 gallons, but go for 55 if possible, since you intend to keep commons. If you want to add a catfish, I'd say give it another 10-20 gallons depending on which type of catfish you choose. Plecos are usually a decent choice, they don't grow too big and they're usually really nice fish Smiley
All in all, I'd go for a 60-75 gallon tank. THE BIGGER THE BETTER!! Wink

Not having a filter on this container of yours is a bit of a problem, try to buy one asap. How big is the current tank?
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Littlefishy
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Re: experts?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 04:21:02 PM »

im certainly NOT an expert (im 9, but hav been on this web for nearly a year)! I love my goldfish very much tho.

But, I do know that I agree fully with summertime and nossie
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fantailer
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Re: experts?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2011, 07:45:53 AM »

Nossie: How many gallons for each pleco Im confused?
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Nossie
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 03:23:54 AM »

It all depends on how big they grow in the end! I'd rather count plecos from their maximum size so that there'll be one inch/gallon of water. So a pleco that would grow to be 10 inches needs 10 gallons! Wink As far as I've noticed, they're not close to being as messy as goldfish, but they still need powerful and good filtration. But of course, I wouldn't squeeze a 10-inch pleco into a 10 gallon tank, which is also why you need to make sure that the tank is at least 10 or more, inches wide. But then you can stock the rest of the tank without having to worry that the whole thing is for the pleco!! A bristlenose will be about 4 inches when it grows up, so that needs only 4 gallons or so, which is why you can keep many of them in the same tank, bigger species that will end up being 12 inches will most likely want the whole bottom for themselves.
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