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Filters, Filters, Filters....
« on: January 02, 2012, 06:35:01 AM »

Okay so I am just about to lose my mind with filters!

Neither of my dads worked. Given they are at least 10 years old (if not older) it wasn't much of a surprise.
So now I am trying to figure out what's best to do next.

I intend to buy a new internal filter for now, but I'm not sure how much filtration to aim for, without creating a whirlwind of a current in the tank. I have checked up on various things and I am certain that with just Lucky in the 125 litre tank by herself, internal filtration will be fine.

I have some options;
a) buy a 800lph filter and run it alongside my current 200lph = 1000lph in total
b) buy a 800lph filter and run it by itself, adding in media from my current filter = 800lph in total
c) buy a large internal filter that can do 1000lph or 1200lph.

Someone's mentioned to me the Fluval U4 would be a good one to go for as they apparently hold a lot of media.

I know you guys are going to remind me about the massive conversation about external filters in the other thread where ever it's gone to. But I'm not sure if this tank can have an external filter.
And the reason is because the top of the tank has a glass lid for sliders and very small amounts of space at either end to put things in.
These measure around 4 1/2 cm along the back and the side and around 7 1/2 cm along the front.

I have no idea if external filter pipes would fit Undecided


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Re: Filters, Filters, Filters....
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 06:55:56 AM »

It of course could have an external filter, but if you're intending to upgrade anyway, I don't think you'll need to buy one of those for this tank at all, it'll save you a bit of money, and Lucky will be fine with those religious water changes of yours Wink

I'd get the 800lph and run it with the other filter (which would make for faster cycling), or simply get the bigger internal filter, like a 1000lph and still run that with the smaller one. Both may come in handy for quarantine tanks, and if you have a more powerful one, it'll do just fine on it's own while quarantining fish Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 07:00:15 AM »

Hmm yeah I was considering getting a Fluval U4 and just sticking the old media in it.
Worried 1200lph would be too much current. Plus I imagine 1000lph will be fine for just her.

Still not sure on the external.... Or what I'm doing when Lucky inevitably out grows the tank, but one thing at a time! XD

I'm visiting some gardening centres today, to try and get gravel and things, so I think I'll price filters up and then take it from there! Will let you guys know how it goes!
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 09:18:39 AM »

In the 70 liter quarantine tank I put the Fluval 4, which filters 1000 liters per hour, that was strong, but it didn't seem too strong, so you don't need to be worried about the current, I'd go for the strongest you can get, Lucky won't mind, and a 125 liter isn't that small Wink
I'm starting to notice more and more (partly when I ran the filter in the 70 liter, wow!) that I have far too little filtration in the 317 liter, I really need to get me an Aquatop asap :/
So while you have the chance, get as big a filter as you can, so you won't regret it later! Smiley The 1000 or 1200 should be perfect! Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 05:34:14 PM »

Thanks Nossie.

I did find an interesting filter whilst out today, that although does 500lph, has a lot of room for media.
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At the moment, I'm debating on wether an All Pond Solution pipes will fit the tank. As I've found their external filters are the same price as the Fluval U4! So may as well try and get an external.... just fitting in that pipe work that's bothering me....

On the plus side, I managed to get some nice gravel, bits to extend my air pump (I figured in a 3 foot aquarium a bit of extra aeration wouldn't hurt, not to mention if I keep the 21 litre going and have some in there) and those precious stones I mentioned before. I've been soaking the driftwood I got for two days now.
So all that's left is water conditioner and filters!

Nossie do you have any particular water conditioner to recommend?
Someone mentioned to me Seachem Prime, but I didn't know what other brands worked particularly well. I keep seeing some that claim to have aloe vera, but I question... just because it's good for us, doesn't mean it's good for the fish XD
Haha, oh I also got some frozen Daphnia as a treat for Lucky, lets hope she likes it!  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 06:19:36 AM »

From the picture, it looks like they've done some strange circulation system in that filter, almost like a "V" or "N" shape, which isn't usually that good, and it's not powerful enough.

I'm using, and have used this one:
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It isn't the best because of their bypass issues, and you can't customize the media you put in too much, but you can at least fill the gaps between the filter pads with some foam or something Smiley It works really good in smaller tanks though. Part of my problem is that it can't reach very low in the tank so it misses a lot of grime and dirt, but what can you do. It agitates the water really well and has customizable flow Smiley The one pictured, the 4 Plus, deals with 1000lph.

Second one, still in use, is this:
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An Eheim Pick up, gets the job done and comes in several different sizes. It's more compact and a bit more difficult to open to clean it, but a really good filter nonetheless. Again you can basically just add some foam to fill up the gaps in the filter media.

Call it "tubes", they're flexible Wink It sounds worrying with the "pipe work" like it needed some plumbing, they could look weird and complicated (and BE weird AND complicated when setting them up the first time), but in the end they're very simple, and they deserve the money spent much better than most internal filters do Smiley

So exciting! Please post pictures of it when you've put it together and started cycling it Wink

You can use Aloe vera on fish, and I think I've tried some conditioner with that a couple of times?? In any case, I use Aquatan by Sera, it's cheap, and it works really well, you can use a larger dose to protect new fish or moved fish from stress Smiley Since it's European it should be available in UK, I think) and for times when I clean the filter or otherwise thoroughly vacuum and clean the tank, I use the Fluid bio filter media by Easy Life.
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Re: Filters, Filters, Filters....
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 06:04:20 AM »

Really, so aloe vera is good for fish? I'm just a little hesitant with those kinds of things you know XD

I'm going to pop down to my LFS and ask them what water conditioners they have, plus I still have loads of stress zyme for the filter  Smiley

Hmmmmm the Eheim Pickup looks pretty good, but its lph seems quite low?

The Fluval filter I was recommended was this one;
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The only way I could fit an external on this tank, is if I found someone to drill holes into the glass for me  Undecided
As you may see there's a bit of glass jutting out above the triangle, which is for the lid, so there really isn't enough room in there for two tubes ( Wink ).

Hmm unless I had the intake tube at one end and the out take tube at the other end? (I should also add the lid is a lot cleaner now! I attacked it yesterday with a sponge).
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 12:25:57 PM »

Here's a tiny article you can check out to see what Aloe Vera does for fish: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Why not go for the U4? I already forgot the efficiency of it, but if it's around 1000lph it should be pretty nice Smiley

So the glass on the hood it attached to the lid of the tank? o_o
Would you mind posting a picture of the tank from above a little farther away? Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 04:43:52 PM »

Ohhh interesting article.... Thanks!

Here's a photo a little further away, there are usually glass sliders in the rectangular hole, but I have them to one side at the moment as I was cleaning them yesterday. There is also a lid, with a long tube light on it (I think my dad said the light didn't work, so I was thinking of getting an LED lamp or something) but I have that off at the moment.

Also I was wondering, now you see the top better, if I got an external filter, I could have the intake tube at one end, in one triangle and the out take tube at the other end, in the other triangle. That should be fine, right?

Haha I also just realised you can play an 'eye spy' game with this photo!
See if you can spot the gravel, driftwood, a toothbrush and my foot!  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 06:11:09 PM »

This page I linked to is full of natural remedies for fish, you should definitely read more of it, it's very interesting all through Smiley

First thing that went through my mind was "Did she like, climb onto the wall to take this photo? @_@" and second one was "What a complicated top o_o"
I have the intake and outtake tubes in separate corners, I have a pretty long hose for the outtake one that more or less lays on the glass behind the lamp Smiley But I saw somewhere here that it's better having the tubes on one side for better circulation, then again, there is an intake on the same side as the two outtakes since I've got a internal filter there too Tongue

I FOUND ALL THE ITEMS! Cheesy And the handle of a net as well C:
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 07:15:33 PM »

Yeah I read about having them in the same side for 'better' circulation, but on another forum where I was asking them similar questions, one of the members told me it's better to have them on separate ends! Then I found a website about filters, that said a similar thing, so I was like .... well why have I been convinced they had to be in the same hole all this time  Grin

Well this means I can get an external filter *Yay* I think I'll double check the list I made of filters at the garden stores, remind myself what I saw, but I might very well give All Ponds Solution a try as they are well within my price range!
Now do I go for a 1000 L/H model or something around 1400 L/h!!
I suppose the more filtration the better really? Exciting!!!!!! I am actually excited about finally getting a filter, I think we should create a new form of geek, you know, Feek (fish + geek = feek).

Haha and for the photo I climbed on top of the sofa that's next to the tank! My foot was on the arm of it, I was half expecting Lucky to give me a look of 'what on earth are you doing?' but she didn't XD
Ahh yes the net handle! There's a little shelf bit in between the doors that I've shoved nets and things. My Dad had a bag of aquarium stuff, most of it didn't work (out of the two filters, one did nothing and the other gave my Dad a little bit of a shock Undecided not good!) but there were loads of spare air line tubes, that I cleaned and put away, which you can see Cheesy

Yeah the top of the tank is a little strange, I imagine it is like this, because my Dad originally had tarantula's in there  Wink
So when you consider there is a gap at the back of the tank when the lid is on, one could have climbed out if it weren't for the glass top!
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 04:40:34 AM »

Sweet! Cheesy Then I don't have to sit here feeling like a fool for having the intake and the spray bar on separate sides! xD
Take the 1400Lph!! I'm suffering lately having the tank a little underfiltered, not so much for the water quality (which stays fine), but more so for the visual effect the filters have. The surface is well agitated, but I see that the Eheim isn't nearly strong enough.

HAHHAA!! "Feek" c: My family has finally gotten around to calling me a fish geek xD Like they realized it now, after all this time! xD

I was clumsy once and shocked myself when plugging the filter D8 It was a horrible feeling, just... very unpleasant @_@ (LOL, wet finger in the socket.)
Could be that the lid looks the way it does to fit the spiders better, but I wonder why normal covering glasses didn't work? The kind you can lift off covers the tank almost completely Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 05:28:54 AM »

I normely do that while putting up christmas lights. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 07:00:21 AM »

Yeah I got a shock from my laptop charger the other day, it had stopped working so I took it out the laptop to look and forgot to un plug it XD It was a very weird sensation!

Well hopefully I can order a filter tomorrow then (it's pay day tomorrow Wink ). Hooray!

Now all I have to sort out after that, is a light and plants! No idea what to do about lights, I do not understand these tube things! XD
I've heard a lot about LED, are they cheaper to run?

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Found another reasonably priced external filter Nossie, 70.99 and does 1300 L/H, with 3 year warranty Smiley
What's interesting, is when I saw it in the shops it was priced at 109.99!!
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Tetratec External filters aren't too bad either, the EX1200 (1200 L/H surprisingly) is quite reasonable on Seapets at 98.35, 3 year warranty.
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Aqua One has a filter that does 1250 L/H, again not too expensive at 109.95, 4 year warranty.
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Or of course I go for the All Ponds Solution, 1400 L/H, with UV = 69.99, without UV = 59.99, 12 month warranty.
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Not sure which one to go for really... hmmmmm the ones with the slightly longer warranty.... I wonder if it would be worth it? Spend the extra bit of money to get the tetra tec or super fish external filter and an extra 2 years warranty? Or just save my money and go for the All Ponds Solution XD Decisions, decisions!
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 02:45:25 PM »

... hard to choose @_@
But since you'll probably be upgrading at some point, I don't think it'd be very useful to spend too much money on a filter, so I'd go with the All Pond Solution or the first one you linked to Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2012, 04:36:07 PM »

Yeah, not sure what I'm upgrading to, or if I'll have to re-home Lucky at the moment! No idea!

I'm currently torn between the APS and Tetratec, but both hold the same amount of media (both are 12 litres, but aps has 3 trays and tetra tec has 4). So I suppose I should really just go for the cheaper option really, as I've not heard anything terribly bad about them (I did a fair amount of research before).
It just feels a little... well odd to be spending so much money on one thing! XD I think the last really expensive item I brought was my laptop and that was almost 5 years ago now! I'm just paranoid once the 12 month warranty runs out on the APS it'll break or go crazy XD Spurt out legs and start wandering around the room by itself leaking water everywhere lol

Not to mention the water level fluctuating in the small tank is so annoying! I occasionally have to nudge the filter down so it gets it's "minimum water line" covered. **** that water jumping through the grates >.> At least the glass lid will stop that!
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 05:37:11 PM »

It's pretty cheap actually Cheesy I got heart broken paying the 150 for my Eheim :'D

Argh, I hate that too! D8 But I usually change water at the time, after a week the filter starts making more noise being higher above the surface when the water evaporates c: So it's pretty good timing Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 06:14:04 AM »

I have evaporation and water going for a jump at the same time >.>

Well my plan is to stop faffing around (I faff alot when I'm unsure) and just go for the 1400 L/H model with UV.
It's 12 litres in volume, so plenty of room for media and who knows the UV could come in handy!

I was thinking of getting the 1000 L/H model with UV, but the 1400 L/H with UV is only an extra 10, so for an extra 10 I get 400 additional lph and 4 more litres of volume in the filter!

Plus although I was looking at other brands, I'm not really sure I could afford them on my budget anyway XD I got a little carried away and had to remind myself there were bills to pay lol! Now if only APS would have a sale or discount!!!

Although the specifications on the website state the external filters to be 'Height max: 2 metres' >.>
I highly doubt that, 2 meters is about 6 foot!! Then it gives 'Dimensions: 258 x 258 x 430 mm', lol right so it's about 1.5 foot high XD Maybe I should e-mail them and point that out, the height max is 2 foot, not 2 metres!

Haha I had this insane image in my head of a giant external filter, bigger than the tank, needing a ladder to climb up it and replace the media.....
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 07:22:12 AM »

LOL, a little exaggeration over there Tongue Maybe you should clear that up a bit Tongue
If it was 2 meters you might as well keep Lucky in the filter instead of the tank! x'D
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 08:03:36 AM »

Hahahaha skip the tank, just stick the fish in a filter  Grin Love the idea!

Well I've ordered it, with 24 hours delivery, so lets hope the company delivers on Saturday!! I will be very happy if I do get it tomorrow  Grin Then I can forget the water change on Lucky's tank and just move her instead  Cheesy
I'll get a little review together as well, if people would find that useful =)

Oh also, with lights, what's the best thing to do for that? I am rather confused with this tube light (that may or may not work), how in heck do you plug a tube light in?
I really like the lamps I've seen for aquariums, but don't think I could find one within my budget that's 3 foot long XD
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 11:10:24 AM »

You should absolutely NOT move Lucky as soon as you set the tank up!! @_@ You need to wait at least 2-3 days either way so that the temperature can settle and the cycling at least has a chance to start! I left mine empty for four days before I let the fish in.
And I mean with the filters plugged in already. If you'll wait a few days you can put Lucky and most things  from her tank in there and it'll allover be a bit safer Smiley It may be good to run the old filter on the new tank for a while, for the beneficial bacteria's sake. Can you take the gravel too?
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2012, 01:21:25 PM »

Ah really?

On another forum they told me, I was wasting my time, the tank didn't need to settle.
I was told to fill the tank with de-chlorinated water, set up the filter, take the old media and put it in the external filter. Switch it on and add in the fish.

I was planning on putting the gravel into an old pair of tights or something similar and hanging it in the tank, as I brought some new gravel that is slightly bigger and much smoother, so no chance of Lucky getting any in her mouth this time and if she can when she's bigger it'll be easy enough to spit out.

I was thinking about letting the tank settle, like I do with water for my weekly changes, gives it chance to settle in not only temperature but PH too. I'm just saying what they told me.

Well hopefully the filter will arrive soon.... The order is still 'processing' and I don't think they're open on Saturdays. So will probably be Monday or Tuesday now. Lame and it said 24 hour delivery Embarrassed

Well I can set everything up once the filters here, add the gravel and driftwood, sort out the extensions for the air stones and filling it up with treated water, add some stress zyme.... hang the old gravel in the tank somehow.

Just not sure whether to run the internal filter alongside the external, or put the media from it into the external filter.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 05:50:29 PM »

Absolutely not!! @_@
Unless you want to monitor the temperature while filling the buckets. And especially if you're even leaving the freshwater for water changes to stand for a while you probably realize that it's far more important to do the same in a new tank?

Actually... why not take the old gravel, put it in a stocking, and use it as filter media while the tank cycles? Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 08:33:07 PM »

Ohhh gravel filter media, had not thought of that! Good idea! It was mentioned to hang it in the tank, but given the strange lid, may as well shove it in the filter!
Will have to find a pair of tights, I don't really own any, but maybe my house mate can help me out! Or I had some drawstring bags lying around, not sure on the material though... will have to investigate!

Yeah I agree with you, I was a bit miffed at the advice I was given, but everyone has different experiences I guess! Smiley

Won't hurt for Lucky to be in the tank an extra few days anyway, she's been doing fine so far. My plan for moving her is to scoop her up in a bag and hang that in the tank so it acclimatises, just in case there's like a degree difference or something small that I missed Smiley

Water change tomorrow on her tank and the snails (those guys have made a mess of poo and eggs again!).

Just looking forward to when I can finally get everything together!
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2012, 06:24:31 AM »

Tights are usually really cheap, so if all else fails you can just buy a pair Smiley

Of course, trying to "acclimatize" the fish, with the "pour a little cup of tank water into their bag every 15 minutes for 45 minutes", THAT is actually a waste of time because the fish will either way take several hours to get used to the pH and hardness of the water in the new tank. I prefer to just sink the bag into the tank, leave it while I unpack the groceries etc, and carefully take the fish out of the bag and introducing him/her to the tank rather than letting them stay in the dirty pet shop water for longer than needed Smiley
But I find it really hard to imagine someone filling in a tank with new water of questionable temperature and then just dumping the fish in?! I can't find a reason for it... :/
(I should stop typing before reading through the whole posts... xD)

If there's a big temperature difference you can let her stay in the bag for a while Smiley Besides, it's not dirty pet shop water that she traveled in for an hour already so it would be good.

So soon!! Cheesy I reckon the filter didn't arrive yet?
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2012, 07:50:39 AM »

No filter  Sad

Although it said UPS next day 24 hours delivery, my partner pointed out that's probably working days and not weekends. I put the order in yesterday around 1pm, but even today it's still "processing" so they haven't dealt with the order yet and probably won't till Monday?
So I should get it Monday if I'm lucky, but probably Tuesday. *Sigh* Oh well, fish keeping does give you patience!

At least it means the tank gets to be empty and dry for a while longer, so at least if there were any nasties in that horrible black sludge that was at the bottom of the tank, they'd be dead by now! Plus given no fish lived in that tank for quite some time I imagine parasites wouldn't have survived either! Tanks been properly empty now for about 2 weeks? With me occasionally scrubbing the last of any algae off with warm water  Smiley So should be fine.

The drift wood is baffling me, some days loads of tannin leaks out and others not so much. I think carbon comes with the filter anyway, so tea coloured water won't be a problem if the driftwoods still have tannin, maybe leave the carbon in for the first day or two and then take it out. Just keep it handy in case any more tannin comes out.

Hmmm nothing else to do really but sit and wait.... Do not know what to do today now! As I was planning on setting the tank up XD
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2012, 03:21:01 PM »

Oh well, just a few days is worth the wait Smiley It'd be worse if they'd decide to ship it after 3 weeks... xD

I'd start with carbon in the filter either way, really, it's just good to use that the first two weeks of running a new filter Smiley
You could of course set the tank up while waiting for the filter, no problem! It'll just be ready for Lucky faster that way Smiley

It looked like Mopani driftwood so it shouldn't be leaking too much at all o_o I soaked mine for about two days and scrubbed off all the dust and the loose, flaking wood parts. Did you try scrubbing it too?
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2012, 04:35:44 PM »

Yeah the label said it was mopani driftwood and would need a thorough soak.
Well the photos I put in Lucky's thread, the drift wood is actually pretty smooth, so I didn't think it would need scrubbing?
Doesn't look like any of it would flake off?

Hmmm what did you scrub it with? Might be worth a go.
It dried out earlier, as I needed a bucket for the water change, so I've shoved it in back in a bucket of water and will see what it does.

I guess I could do the gravel tomorrow and add in the driftwood and the precious stones. I just wanted to have fun doing it all in a whole day! But I won't be able to do that by the looks of things, as I'm back to work Monday! Maybe I'll do some decorating tomorrow and update with some photos  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2012, 04:25:28 AM »

If it would be flaking, you'd notice while soaking Smiley Mine was mostly just dusty either way Wink

I used a normal brush used in the kitchen, I bought one especially for the tank and filters. Works wonders!

Sure, in that case, I guess you just have to do it whenever you'll have some extra time Smiley Still exciting, can't wait to see how it turns out! Cheesy
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Re: Filters, Filters, Filters....
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2012, 12:16:43 PM »

Well I will give it a scrub with the only thing I have on hand, a tooth brush  Grin

Although given the past 24 hours the driftwood's been soaking, it hasn't leaked anything. So I'll scrub it with a tooth brush, chuck it on a towel and use the water to give the gravel a quick rinse as I put it in!

Had an interesting electrician based adventure today trying to sort out the light, as I found the arcadia light unit and timer, however like the old filter, none of these have plugs XD I found some spare in the bag of aquarium wonders (basically all my dads old equipment) but after a failed attempt of using scissors as wire strippers, have had to call it quits for today!

So decided I should really sort out that gravel and driftwood now  Grin
Fish keeping is full of adventures!  Cheesy
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