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gwenblack72
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Need some help
« on: September 25, 2011, 12:33:54 AM »

 I am new to this. I have aquired a goldfish, algea eater, & a catfish, they had been abandoned. My rent lady called me & said I have a present for you, & want you to pick it up asap. So, you can say I rescued some fish  Cheesy I am sure the fish are sick, after I seen what they were in, & the poor condition of the water they had been in (for how long IDK!). So, the goldfish is a Sarassas, I have been told, he is about 6inches long, to me he is a big goldfish. They were in a 20? gallon homemade tank, which I did replace with a 37 gallon tank starter, that came with everything. I do know the goldfish is constipated, I have fed him peas today, & it has helped. I named the goldfish Lucky cause to me he is lucky to be alive after what I seen!!! I have been keeping the water tested regularly, & the ammonia is always way outta wack, I keep putting ammonia detox in the tank, which does bring it down temporarely. I had water tested today & it stands as this Hardness:30 PH: 6.0 Ammonia3.5 which ammonia has been up to a 7 on Thursday. Lucky has been rubbing himself on the bottom of the tank, going to the top a lot for air, constipation, looks like his gills are little red, but I got him like this. He also looks like he is going to go belly up from time to time, but he recovers before he does. I really dont know if this is his normal appearance or not. I have asked for help from pet shops, but dont feel that they are being to honest with me. They tell he will be fine he is stressed right now, which I am sure he is!!! Oh yeah have had the tank set up since Monday 9/19/2011, Iam trying to remember if I have got everything you need to help. Can you please help? Thank You, Rescue Mom   Grin
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gwenblack72
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 01:39:37 AM »

After going back & looking again Undecided I do have a filter that came with the tank it is a 40 & it can be adjusted to how much or little that can be filtered. I keep the temp between 76 to 78 because of the algae eater. I didnt see the guy checking for the nitrates in my water sample today so Huh sorry. I will keep trying to give as much info I can to help as much as I can. I just dnt want to see this guy go to waste at all. He has some size on him, so I am thinking he has been around for a while, but then again I could be wrong.
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Skwishee
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 07:11:07 AM »

Hi Gwen, welcome to the forums!

My goldfish is also called Lucky Wink and like you I'm fairly new to fish keeping myself!

Well firstly when you say the gills are red on your goldfish, is this under neath the gills or on top? Maybe post a pic of the lil guy, that could help. Sometimes gills being red is a sign of them being healthy, but I think from what the others here have told me, it depends on the shade of red.

Also if the goldfish is going belly-up occasionally, it could be having problems with its swim bladder.

Good call on the peas though, that will definitley help him, if his constipated Smiley And good to see you're already on to the water quality by dealing with the ammonia. As well as the water tests, it may help to change the water more regularly as well.

That's all I can think of right now, sorry I can't be of more help, I'm sure the more experienced guys on here will be able to help you out as well  Smiley
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gwenblack72
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 10:22:43 AM »

 Thank You Skwishee, I will try to post a pic of him, here in a minute. I was up most of the night, I have my son that is sick too, right now. So truly a Mothers gift to nurture their children back to health the best she can, thats why I posted so late. Normally I would be in Church this morning, but taking care of the sick children of the house Cheesy. Thats funny that your lil one is Lucky too, I seen that last night after I posted this, I thought to myself she feels the same way! My opinion is ppl that have any animals should be more responsible, instead of just walking away & not caring at ALL!! I have been wanting to get an aquarium for fish, but just hadnt got around to it, so the Lord gave us a gift. I normally do research before I get involved to make sure that I can take on the responsibility, like I done when I adopted my retired greyhound last month  Grin I think thats where my land lady decided to call me cause she knows I take care of my loving little animals. Well let me stop blabbing here & get a pic posted of poor lil Lucky cause I feel he needs everyones help. I want to say before I go Thank You for helping so far it will greatly appreciated!! Smiley
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 10:42:18 AM »

High levels of nitrogen in he water will make your fish act like they're constipated/have swim bladder issues. What you need to do, is change out 50% of the water EVERY TIME AMMONIA GETS HIGH. You see 3,5 is easily enough to kill a fish. He's suffering really bad having to swim in that, so try to change out half of the water or more whenever the ammonia gets high like this! Usually it's a good idea to change the water every second or third while the tank is cycling. And after that, change the same amount (or more) every week Smiley

Your fish will be fine! It was a good call to get them a bigger tank since there are 3 potentially giant fish in the tank Smiley
Do you have water conditioner and beneficial bacteria? (sometimes called bio filter booster) Stress zyme is recommended to add every time you change the water during the first few weeks of having the tank set up Smiley

It makes me really happy to see that you care so much for these abandoned fish Smiley (It warms the heart of a mad fish-lady <3)
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gwenblack72
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 11:08:14 AM »

I am going to try to post this pic of Lucky cross fingers that it comes through. I took my time & several pics to insure I good pics of him or her Huh. So here we go ppl. Oh yes thanks again. I forgot to say last time the ammonia level is down to .50 so hopefully I am getting this under control Grin
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2011, 12:47:27 PM »

Yes, the ammonia sounds nice as it is, on the way down and that's how we want it! Smiley
I love this fish of yours!! Such a cutie! Smiley Do you have photos of the other tank buddies too? I'd love to see what kinds they are Smiley

Please keep us posted on your progress! Cheesy
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Skwishee
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 12:53:24 PM »

My he certainly is a biggie! Must be huge compared to my little Lucky, she's only about an inch or two Cheesy

From the photo his gills look fine, its natural if their red on the inside, because of all the blood circulating around there Smiley

The next thing you'll want to keep an eye on within the tank are the Nitrites, as the Ammonia level drops, the Nitrite levels will rise (as bacteria growing will be changing the ammonia into nitrite). But as Nossie said, regular water changes every few days will help with this =)

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gwenblack72
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 02:34:36 PM »

Thanks guys yall r so wonderful, now I can quit stressing so much. I could only afford to get the test to test for ammonia, seeing how I extended my funds to make the fish more comfortable in a newer home than what they had. I will post pics of the other 2 so yall can see them too, they seem fine to me, not acting funny. I do have another question though Smiley. With Lucky being 6 incehs in size how much do I feed him? He is even eating the food for the algae eater & catfish, so they aren't getting any food because of Lucky.  Undecided
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 02:59:05 PM »

Awesome fish!!! Never seen anything like it!!
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gwenblack72
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 03:19:27 PM »

I am curious if he came out of a pond, & they just put him in an aqurium? I have been told he will get bigger, not sure, but he is part of the family now Cheesy Thanks fantailer Grin.
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 07:17:56 PM »

well done on the fish rescue Gwen karma for you, and your with like minded people here who are willing to help... all the best for your fishkeeping.
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 08:43:20 PM »

What a lovely fish Gwenblack! He may have been raised in a pond but, given enough room, goldfish can grow very large in an aquarium.

Regarding feeding instructions, feed small ammounts of food twice a day. Do not overfeed as that will create an ammonia problem in the tank....remember, a slightly underfed goldfish is healthier than one that has a polluted tank. All of my goldies are quite tiny, (right now) so maybe others will be able to advise you better on the specific portion size to feed your beautiful fish.

Wishing you well on your fishkeeping experience!  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2011, 06:08:03 AM »

While you're cycling the tank you shouldn't be feeding them that much, maybe once a day at most and change half of the water every other day. It's alright that you don't have the nitrite/nitrate tests because these aren't half as dangerous as ammonia Smiley If you could though, try bringing a sample of the water to a pet store and ask that they get it tested for you. When the nitrites are gone, you can start changing water every week as usual Smiley

When the tank is cycled, you can also start feeding the fish more often. Twice a day is usually a good routine, and then you can drop a few pellets to the goldfish, slowly a few at a time so that he'll manage to eat them all, and stop when he stops to chew/loses interest in the food. While the goldfish is busy with the pellets, you can give the food to the catfish and algae eater in the meantime and they should be able to eat most of it by themselves.
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gwenblack72
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2011, 12:57:29 PM »

Well Lucky & the others are doing fine this morning Cheesy I will only feed twice a day then. The ammonia level is still down .25 nnow so it is going down YAY!! I was really worried about these poor fellas, now knowing all that I have learnt I keep asking myself "How in the world did these fish survive what they were in?"Shocked I am glad that they are going to b very healthly now that they are in my care now Grin I have noticed that Lucky was very bloated when I first got him, he now looks so much more slim & healthier. Thanks for everyones advice & expertice, it has been greatly appreciated!!! Cool
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Re: Need some help
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2011, 07:17:05 AM »

Hi Gwen,
I am currently reading Moby Dick, and when I saw your photo I was reminded of that enormous fish!. 'Lucky' is a beauty! Good luck with him.
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