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Igor
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Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« on: May 24, 2010, 11:31:45 AM »

Hi
I noticed that my goldfishes like to hide behind the rock and to rest on the gravel. At first I worried when I saw that. But then I noticed that this is norm for them. So - are they sleeping like that? Do they rest at nights or they can doze in daytime as well? Or they should not behave like this?

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Nossie
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 01:26:33 PM »

In nights fish go into some sort of dormant state, yes. And that's why it's important to keep the light off for about 10-12 hours so they can rest up! (:
But if they're "resting" on the gravel during the days, something could be wrong with your water quality, and you should have it tested immediately! Check on your fish as well if they have any bruises, if their fins are clamped, or anything that looks abnormal! Check if they're eating well too Wink
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Igor
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 03:06:26 PM »

This is only one fish which rests sometimes during the day. Another one is very active. Actually the sleepy beauty is quite active as well, but time to time I found her on her place. Nothing seemingly wrong with her.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 09:40:52 PM »

She kept dozing through the day. When I begin to think that she's ill the fish wakes up and start to dance and rush erratically.
I examined her more closely and did not find any visible abnormality. The only thing I noticed when brought her home was that she had different eyes. One normal, like others had, and one golden. I found it cute.

So. Is this behavior strange? Or within norms? 
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 10:57:38 PM »

Some fishies have mismatched eyes.  Don't worry about it if she seems otherwise fine.
Mine sometimes nap during the day, even when they get lights-out time at night.  Sometimes it takes awhile for them to get to sleep, but I used to see them asleep as late as 7am regularly.
If your fishie startles, you might just have woken them up.  Their eyes take some time to adjust to light, and even little things like your shadow or turning on a light in the room can make them swim about frantically until they can see again.  Still, I'd check the water chem just to be sure.  Can't hurt, right?
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 02:03:07 AM »

Is it normal that your fish is swimming erratically? That's usually a sign of disease. So, like Nicole said, do test the water to be sure (:
pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate c:
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 06:39:51 AM »

Thank you guys for responses.

Well, "erratically" may be wrong word. She moves exactly like the other fish. And if the water was not good - why the second fishie looks absolutely healthy? But I am worried now because she lyes on the bottom most the time! When I come to feed them she is active and hungry, but then in an hour or so she would rest again. And during the day she would lie on gravel sleeping. I will test the water of course. But what else could be done to help her? It does not look normal for me anymore.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 06:42:53 AM »

Forgot to ask - shall I isolate that sleepy fish? If she has some sort of disease can she infect the other fish?

Update - I don't like it. In 10 minutes after their breakfast she is lying again. Something definitely wrong with that oranda. I don't believe that she can be in bad mood or depression...
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 08:20:53 AM »

Oh for pete's sakes....First and foremost test your water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you feed your oranda?  Sitting on the bottom like that could also be a sign of constipation, which can do damage to a swim bladder.  Do you feed an assortment of food to your fish?  Frozen, live, peas, oranges, worms?
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 10:57:36 AM »

Mindemae,

I will test the water as soon as I get the testing tool from Petco, hopefully today. But why would only one fish feel bad in the same water? The second feels great.
What do I feed them? Nutrafin Max, (with oranda picture on). I have not given them any alternative food so far. Only flakes. And she eats it actively, but then goes back on the gravel. She lyes there now. I don't know what to do
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 11:15:48 AM »

Bad water quality lead to stress in fish => sick fish.  Different problems have different symptoms (High ammonia gives black spots, high nitrate make the fish inactive... etc.), and they can all be dealt with fairly easy. This may also lead to parasites, which then again will be a worse threat to your fish.
And, since fish are just as individual as a person, some fish are more sensitive to water quality issues than others. I have two fantails (along with a third and a moor in one tank) and only these two react to a nitrate value on already 10-20ppm. As an example.

And like Mindemae mentioned, constipation may also be a cause, as a constipated fish can get problems with the swim bladder and have a hard time controlling their "altitude" in the water. Especially orandas seem susceptible to this condition. And that may be why your oranda is doing this. Which other fish do you have in your tank? Are they orandas too?

So, be patient and wait for the test results to be available, and try feeding this fish of yours some better food. Get a little jar of freeze-dried bloodworms or tubifex, they're quite cheap and good already (: If you have some frozen peas somewhere, thaw them and feed them to your fish after popping them out of their shells. It could help already!
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 11:19:56 AM »

Orandas get constipated very easily.  Feed her some thawed out frozen peas, popped out of their skin.
Orandas because of their egg shaped bodieds tend to have swim bladder problems and digestive issues like constipation.  They CANNOT live on just flakes!  I don't care what there is a picture of on the goldfish food jar.  That is for commercial purposes only!!  You need to read the ingredients!  Pelleted food is better.... with peas and orange bits, shrimp, worms etc. as a treat and suppliment to the regular diet.   Flakes will only sustain you fish not keep them healthy and active.  Dried flakes are very constipating also.  I do feed flake food by Aqueon or Omega One but only as a treat once in awhile.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 11:27:46 AM »

Whow!!! How could I know that they eat peas! OK. It looks very much as if she had constipation. Though I never saw a fish with constipation, but it looks like. Poor thing. Thank you so far. I will test the water and give them some peas and worms.

So, do I buy raw peas, then boil them and take off the shells? Right?
And how do they like oranges? Just little pieces of pulp?
And I guess they know in Petco what kind of warms do I need.

Thank you.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 11:51:03 AM »

No, you buy FROZEN NON-SALTED peas. You thaw them (not in microwave, not by boiling) and then you push them out of the shells.

They eat only the orange flesh, but don't leave it in the tank for too long since it can pollute the water. (I would actually skip on the orange 'til you're a bit more experienced with goldfish and their feeding habits Wink)

It will say on the jar, sometimes with a little pic of the worms d:
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 08:10:58 PM »

Don't worry, a lot of people don't know that goldies like veggies and fruit.  I sure didn't.  In fact, I'm still learning.
You can get fresh peas in the produce section, too, but those are hard to get the skin off.  You have to use your fingernails.  If you see two little green kernals that are a little sticky, that's what you want.  What we do is mash them between two spoons to get it into small enough pieces.  You don't need many- like one or two peas for each fish per feeding.
I think Petco keeps them in a refrigerated case near the fish section.  At least ours does.
Oh, and don't worry if your fishie tastes the food and spits it out.  They can be picky, but they usually eat it off the gravel eventually.  Just relax- your fish will probably be okay as long as they get some peas in them.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2010, 10:45:22 AM »

Hi!!! Here I have some update, though not very optimistic. I checked the water in the tank - Petco said it was absolutely within norm. I been giving them peas last two days - they like it very much.
I partially changed water.
I added some sea salt into tank.

And nothing changes. The fishie still liyes on the bottom most of the time. What is new - she now more often hides herself behind the filter, and just drifts there motionless. I noticed that even when she actively moves when eating - she never uses her upper fin which is folded down all the time.

So. How can help her? Last time she even missed the feeding time, though ate some later. Pleas help.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2010, 03:52:38 AM »

If she has clamped fins that definitely means something is wrong, I'm not sure what but I am sure some other people who know more will be able to help you with that. I'm thinking some sort of bacterial infection if the water is fine. Try Melafix, it works wonders and should help to fiz the problem Smiley Hope your fishie gets better soon, it's good she is still eating.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2010, 09:20:24 PM »

There definately is a problem.  Melafix, like Andrea said would be the next thing to try.
Glad to hear your water is fine.  That is a relief at least.
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2010, 03:27:50 AM »

Hi Igor,
just read through those posts, there is definitely sth wrong with her.
To be absolutely sure about the water chemistry I recomment you to buy a master test kit and test the water by yourself. And do partial waterchanges if necessary.
Peas are very good to treat constipation.
And Melafix and Pimafix are very good natural remedies which do not kill the beneficial bacteria, but they help against bacterial and fungal infections.
Nothing else I can mantion as everything was already said by Mindemae, Nossie, Nicole and Andrea
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Re: Good Night sleep tight... When do they sleep?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2010, 03:28:34 AM »

Hope your fish will get well soon
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