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Skwishee
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Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« on: October 09, 2011, 05:08:11 PM »

Hey everyone!

I was thinking the other day, when I get the bigger tank, instead of 3 goldfish, it might be nice to have 2 goldfish and then a cold water friend with them? Or maybe I should just stick with goldfish?
I've seen you guys mention having plecos or other species, so thought I'd ask  Smiley

Another issue I've recently come across (that made me consider this topic once more) is a snail problem with a new plant and was wondering maybe something that eats snails is a good idea? I love the snails, but I fear they will take over! Or perhaps a catfish? Or something I've heard about called Weather loaches? (but I hear they grow huge!) Or something that eats algae?

Maybe big snails (Nossie said their easier to keep track of than little snails Wink) ? Do the snails need to be considered with working out stocking? If so how much space?
I remember having apple snails once, but I've heard mixed things about goldfish and snail compatibility?

Perhaps 3 goldfish would be okay with one snail? Am I correct in thinking some snails are hermaphrodites and others are live bearing -so requiring a partner- ?

I'm just contemplating everything, while I wait for the tank really!
Currently the two snails I've caught (They are quite cute with spirally shells and I didn't have the heart to kill them!) are living in a tub with an air holed lid (small holes, so they can't climb out!).
My mum offered to take them home to put them in the pond in their back garden -not sure what the frogs and newts would make of that?- I don't want my parents to have an infestation of snails because of me >.< (I'm worried that's what would happen!)

Thanks you guys, I really appreciate how supportive you've all been of me in my fish keeping adventure so far! xx

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Something interesting I found about goldfish and snails you guys might like to read  Smiley
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 03:57:18 AM »

Most cold water fish won't grow as big as goldfish, and are still better off in a pond since many of them are shoaling fish so keeping just one of them alone with two goldfish probably wouldn't be the best idea.

Some people swear against plecos as well for the fear that they'd eat the goldfishes' slime coat, but so far I've had my pleco with them for a year and he's been a very kind-hearted one c: (Except when they come to his feeding spot, he gets mad, but the goldfish know exactly what distance to keep nowadays!) Personally, I think they are a really great help! Getting rod of any left-over foods that the goldfish wouldn't find or scraping the algae off of the driftwood and plants Smiley (Mine got lazy though, he's only on the driftwood lately...) If you like plecos, you could get one! But make sure that you know what kind it is, how big it would grow, and that it enjoys similar water quality as goldfish do Smiley (Temperatures between 22-26 degrees, and they'll thrive together!) Another species of suckermouth catfish I've had success with are the ancistrus, or Bristle noses as they're commonly called. They grow to be roughly 8cm long so you could keep 2-3 of them instead of one goldfish I imagine, since they're not messy at all Smiley

Apple snails are sexed and then breed (I think they lay eggs??) as opposed to most smaller snails that basically just clone themselves D: I have 5 of them in the main tank, and I first had one with the Platies but they seemed to be nipping on the snail's shell all the time so the poor thing was afraid to move. He's a lot happier living with Danny (the pleco) and the goldfish Cheesy They don't take notice of the snails anymore, but sometimes Danny is slapping them around with his tail not noticing... x'D
So if you'd want to go goldfish all the way and skip the plecos, you could add a few more snails, maybe 3 would be enough in that tank? Smiley Apple snails also eat algae and help as much as they can keeping things clean Wink (In nature they can grow to be 20 cm across the shell).
There are people however, who haven't been as lucky with their snails and the goldfish were constantly trying to eat them resulting in the snails' deaths... D:

Why not put them in your parents' pond? I bet the snails would be happy there! Cheesy And I think they wouldn't overpopulate the pond because of the fish and whatnot that live there anyway, they might even eat the snails or their eggs, if they're that small.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 05:11:25 AM »

Also with your plant you could have ramshord snails which can breed off of one snail.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 05:24:31 AM »

Yeah my dad mentioned his ancistrus cat fish may still be alive in his tank! (Theres alot of algae in there!).
But he was talking about finding it a new home down in Devon as it's been living in a tropical tank all these years, must be very old by now if it is still in there! (Not to mention I think the journey here and then leaving it in a cold water tank with a goldfish, would be very stressful!). But I do love the little guys!
But I also love snails too Cheesy

So either 2 goldfish and a catfish, or 3 goldfish and a couple of snails =)
I might go for the snail option, add in one or two and see how they get on with the goldfish.

Yeah, I think I'll let my mum take the rescued snails home (I think their common pond snails so can grow up to an inch!) their ponds don't have any fish, but lots of frogs and newts! So I imagine they'll keep their population down.
As I suspect keeping them in the tub and eventually they'll just multiply and take over! Unless I remove the eggs? I read their easy to control, but maybe a nice big pond would be better for them!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 05:05:21 AM »

Try this link about Pond Snails
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This link for Ramshorn Snails
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And for this link Apple Snails the most common ones on the forum
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Hoped I helped Smiley.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 07:02:46 AM »

Our ancistrus are pretty old by now too, I think they should be closing in on 5 years? They also breed regularly so my sister brings the babies to the pet shop every once in a while Wink
I doubt he'd be stressed living with goldfish since a good temperature for goldfish is 25 degrees up to even 28. So even if they're called "coldwater" fish, they don't live in cold water Wink Unless you have them in a pond of course!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 02:52:18 PM »

Haha yeah I guess your right!
I'd love to adopt Peppy (myself and a friend named him that because his brown colour reminded us of pepper and pepsi XD) but we're not sure how well he'd survive, with my dad needing to take him out of the tank for a few days to clean it and then transporting of the tank and then being shoved into the 21 litre with Lucky while the bigger one cycles. They said they will probably look for someone in Devon who can adopt him straight away.
I still have no idea if his alive in there, my parents have only mentioned their speculation that his alive because of the algae!

As for the snails, I am pretty sure I can spy some eggs on the plant I put in with them, so baby snails will be here soon! (Those guys sure didn't wait long Wink )
Thanks for the links Fantailer! I'm having a bit of trouble identifying them, because they are so tiny! They are around 6/7mm big! They are currently huddled side by side, I'm guessing that occasionally cleaning their water and adding in fresh plants for them to eat will be sufficient enough for them and their future babies? Until I can get them to Devon that is, to my parents pond!
*I am a little excited that they're going to be parents, how sad is that XD *

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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 03:32:42 PM »

That's of course a possibility, he'd probably be safer and happier moving into a cycled tank right away Smiley

It's so sweet that you're taking such good care of the snails :'D If you feel like it, I bet they'd be happy to eat a crushed flake every once in a while too Wink
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 01:36:19 PM »

Ahh crushed flakes! I will do that once I figure out a safe way to a water change Wink
I'm thinking pick up the snails and stick them in a little dish of water, while I deal with the big tub.

I only wish I had a camera good enough to take photos of the snails and their eggs!
They are seriously cute and they move so fast! One of the little guys was crawling along the side of the tub at quite a pace!
I still have no idea what breed they are, maybe their too small to be pond snails?

I also can't believe people would consider these guys pests and no doubt kill them... Their missing out on some snail family fun Cheesy

After all this, I'm definitely considering getting Lucky some proper snail friends Wink
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 03:13:59 AM »

We had ones similar size but with strong red color... they were allover the place, inside the filter and outside the filter... D: In the end we really didn't bother looking out for them while vacuuming the gravel. We got rid of them that way, and also, I think mom was so sick of them that she simply crushed whichever she saw whenever she sat them D: Nice snack for the fish that way though.

They are a bit of pests in the end, but they do look beautiful when they live with guppies and some fine-leaved plants Smiley I had them that way in my room, it was just the main tank they were a problem in Smiley
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 04:19:09 AM »

Yeah while I was looking around on the internet, I read that you can squash them and feed them to the goldfish XD

If the snails breed too much in the tub, I think thats what I'll have to do!

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Well I looked up just now and saw something on the tank, thinking 'whats that?', Lucky must have read my mind because she raced over and bit it, then swam off. Turns out it's a snail. The blighters must be in the gravel somewhere.... So now there are 3 snails in the tub!

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Here's a pic of one of the snails and their little eggs Cheesy I apologize the quality isn't that great, it's hard to get focused images when they're so small!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 09:29:12 PM »

What about shrimps? Ghost shrimps can live in a variety of temperature ranges, eat leftover food, clean the tank, and if it's really hungry, it will go to the surface to eat! There are translucent white but there are over more colorful shrimp that basically do the same thing. Maybe because I'm more of a tropical fish person (I don't have space for goldfish), but I think shrimp would be a good idea.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2011, 03:33:34 AM »

Most shrimp are very small when bought, so they would end up a tasty snack for the goldfish, not to mention that they wouldn't be able to get any food since the goldfish would be taking it all from them!
I was very worried about my pleco for that reason, the goldfish kept taking his food, but now since he grew three times as big as he was when I bought him, that's no problem Smiley
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2011, 04:42:22 AM »

Nossie: the snails loved the fish flake Wink I put one crumbled in yesterday and a lot of it's gone now Cheesy

I think I'll stick to snails, they seem to be the simplest of all potential goldfish companions Smiley I'll introduce one or two snails, once I have the bigger tank with the 2 goldfish in and see how they all get along.

I was considering weather loach, but for some of the breeds you need a licence and to keep them in 2's or 3's, not to mention they can grow pretty big, not sure 2 would really thrive in a 125 litre tank.
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I did also come across a hillside loach, that sort of looks like a pleco that would be nice to have, but they like strong currents, so again, not sure my tank would be the best conditions for one.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2011, 07:11:16 AM »

Holy Cow !!!!!! That loach is so pretty!!!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2011, 12:56:41 PM »

I know! But after researching, it says they prefer tanks with lots and lots of current, so won't thrive in a calm tank like goldfish do.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 02:49:54 AM »

Then keep an eye on the goldies and make sure they're not harassing the snails, as I said, that's a very common reason why most people just can't have snails with their fish!

Those fish are so cute! But they do look like they grow pretty big, so i don't think a 125 liter would be sufficient, many bottom-feeding fish will get territorial if they're sharing too small a patch on the bottom of the tank Smiley
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 09:57:06 AM »

Yeah I thought as much, so after some research decided it would be best to leave it at snails!

I did see a pretty awesome looking hermit crab in the aquarium shop the other day! I imagine with crabs they ideally need some land as well as water, so again, probably a terrible mix with goldfish! Not to mention it'd probably try to eat Lucky XD

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They are so cute though!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 11:39:26 AM »

You never know!! xD

I honestly never studied too much about crustaceans, just their basic needs sort of, for my sister who's really interested in having some shrimp some day Smiley
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 03:00:48 AM »

I just think hermit crabs look awesome... Shrimp can be cool as well, but I don't know too much about shrimp... Well apart from the Mantis Shrimp I researched about for a while, those guys are just incredible creatures.

I'd love a mantis shrimp too one day! This little guy is the Peacock Mantis Shrimp ^_^ Beautiful things....

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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 04:57:13 AM »

Omg!!! Thats a crab!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 05:18:55 AM »

Also an update with the snails, I've lost sight of their eggs and there are no baby snails.. I highly doubt the eggs would have hatched after a few days as well... Bit of a mystery that... It's like the eggs have disappeared and I'm pretty sure the snails wouldn't have eaten them?

I saw them yesterday resting on the bottom of the tub (they'd fallen off the plant at some point) and I was very careful to clean around the eggs and add in some extra water, only now they aren't there? Strange...

I also read that snails can carry diseases? So maybe not the best idea to un leash them on the pond at home?
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 04:03:23 PM »

They can but you'll see some signs after a while. By the way your snail looks like a ramshorn snail.
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2011, 09:43:38 AM »

Don't ramshorn snails have a curly shell? Like this:

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Mine definitely don't have shells like that... I think there was one Ramshorn snail in the plant, but I thought the shell was empty and didn't put it in some water, so that snail didn't make it...

The bladder/pond snail looks more like my little guys:

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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2011, 05:26:38 AM »

I think from memory those little pond snails breed like crazy..
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2011, 05:57:03 AM »

Well so far the 3 pond snails I have in a little bucket are fine, they did lay some eggs, but then the eggs disappeared after 5 days Undecided
No baby snails in sight, so no idea what happened there!

I'm considering keeping them for now and then perhaps in the future having them in the 21 litre tank with a betta or some guppies (if I add a heater)  Smiley
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2011, 08:06:44 AM »

Just an interesting update, you know how I mentioned the previous batch of eggs dissappeared?

I noticed some more in there yesterday and my goodness, they have laid eggs with a vengeance! There's little sacks of the stuff everywhere XD I think I'll keep some and destroy some, my little tub wouldn't cope with allllll of these little dears if they all hatched!
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2011, 04:51:24 AM »

Sorry I thought the curly shelled snail was yourse. Tongue
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2011, 05:51:16 PM »

Aha, I did remember correctly, they do reproduce like crazy... cheers Skwishee
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Re: Freshwater critters, to live with goldfish??
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2011, 06:40:09 AM »

I have danios in with my goldies but one day I fear they may fit in goldfishes mouths
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