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mumzilla
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fungus
« on: June 27, 2010, 12:21:54 PM »

Hi all,
I am new to the forum. I just lost my lionhead after having him for several months. I had just him and a bubble eye for quite a while, then I got them a friend - another lionhead. The new boy developed fungus and died within 10 days of bringing him home. I returned to the seller (the only non-department store seller in my area) and he said the whole shipment of lionheads had gotten it - he hadn't quarantined because he knew the dealer. He gave me melafix and I treated my tank and my older fish seemed ok. Then they got the fungus. The bubble eye was lethargic and not eating so I returned him to the seller - couldn't watch him die, but the lionhead seemed ok except he lost his tail, so I retreated the tank for 10 days and did the water change and everything seemed ok. I got a few non GFs to see if the tank was ok and they have not gotten it, but sad to say it came back with a vengence and my poor guy was gone within 3 days. So I guess my question is...should I get more gold fish or is my entire tank now infected? Can I get my tank back in shape without draining and scrubbing the whole thing? I got very attached to my little guy and do not want to go through this again, but really enjoy watching the goldfish. I have a 20 long aquarium with a large sponge filter and a 750 LPH power head, no heater. There are some marbles on the bottom and a few tank decorations. it currently holds an insane sail finned zebra danio, a pair of guppies and 2 snails.
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Mindemae
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Re: fungus
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 12:38:30 PM »

I would say no just for the fact I wouldn't recommend EVER putting tropical fish with goldfish.
That said, a twenty gallon tank would be just the right size for 2 goldfish and nothing more.
You said you treated with Melafix but did you try Pimafix which is specifically for fungus?
Did you test your water?  Usually fish do not get compromised by infection unless the water quality is off, which causes stress which leads to illness.  You need to always test your water before adding any new fish and after too!  Did you try aquarium salt?  Aquarium salt is great to use on new fish but you should always isolate them in a quarantine tank for at least 2 weeks.  I use aquarium salt when I first get new fish because it increases gill function and then it also gives the new fish some electrolytes which can help with the stress they are under coming into a new environment.  I guess there is a medicatd salt available but I have never seen it or used it.
Goldfish and tropicals present different diseases too which is another reason why they should not be housed together. Smiley
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Re: fungus
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 01:14:46 PM »

Thanks for the reply - I originally had just the 2 because I knew that was the best for the tank. But then the new lionhead was so cute that I couldn't resist. Hard lesson learned. I got the tropicals just because I was scared to get another goldfish and have it get sick - the tropicals are expendable Roll Eyes I will probably send them to college with my daughter. I did use aquarium salt with the second treatment, but I think by then the fungus was too established. And I also had my water tested and it was ok. I am beginning to seriuosly doubt my 'expert' though. I have come to the conclusion that if I want salties or ciclids-he's my guy, but he is flying by the seat of his pants when it comes to goldfish. He tried to tell me they were st*pid and didn't recognize people. And I realize now that I should never have put the new fish in without quarantine - but again, I trusted my 'expert'. It broke my heart to flush Leon this morning - which is why I joined the forum to get good goldfish advice. I really want to get more GFs I just need to be sure they will be healthy and not get this horrid fungus. In answer to the Pimafix, I did not try it - the Melafix worked so well the first time and my 'guy' said it was better. So if I ditch the guppies, will my tank be ok for new goldfish? I hate the idea of draining and re-seasoning - I did do everthing right the first time - it was just the weakness of wanting the cute new fish that did me in. I am afraid if I have to start over, I will just put the tank away and give up.
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Re: fungus
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 02:08:36 PM »

If you ditch the danios and snails and guppies your tank would be ok for 2 goldfish IF the water quality is pristine.
Ammonia-ZERO, nitrites-ZERO, nitrates-20ppm is ideal but no more than 40 ppm and ph 7.2-8 (akaline) AFTER putting in new filter media rinsed in tank water and after doing about a 75% water change.
Then after you add the new goldfish I would put 1 TBS of salt per 5 gallons of water in the tank.
You can also treat the new fish with melafix as a precaution.  It's a great tonic for adding new fish., directions are right on the bottle. I would also add a water condtioner as this helps protect the slime coat of the fish and I would also add a bacteria booster right to your new filter media.
BTW, what kind of filter do you have?  If it's just the 20 gallon that came with the aquarium then that is not big enough.  You'll want to upgrade to a 30-40 size filter.  Goldfish are extremely messy and need more water turned over GPH.  Also, you will need to provide extra aeration in the form of an airstone connected to an air pump.  It doesn't have to be big but just so a nice gentle flow of bubbles rise to the surface of the tank and burst.
Live plants are also nice.  The goldfish will nibble on these and the plants will help absorb some of the wastes in the form of nitrogen.
You also need to vary your goldfishes diet. Pick a good staple pelleted food such as Omega One or Aqueon.  Feed bits of oranges and peas and chopped spinach or lettuces.  Also, frozen food your petshop might carry.  Freeze dried shrimp and bloodworms are also tasy treats.
Good luck and if you have any questions then re-post here and someone will try and answer/help you! Smiley
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Re: fungus
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 02:49:29 PM »

My filter is an 80 gallon cylinder sponge and the power head attached to it is 750 LPH which is about 200 gallons per hour - so yeah - I went way overboard on filtration - but it is a good system. The power head has an option for bubbles and I do use it. My daugter just mentioned wanting the tank for a bearded dragon at college, so I may just take the other fish back to the seller and start over - I had everything right the first time - I just screwed it up with the new fish. And it now appears that the female guppy is missing her lower jaw - so I suspect this fungus is not species specific. Fantastic.
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Re: fungus
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2010, 03:20:05 PM »

Oh brother. Roll Eyes
Well see if you can get your hands on some Pimafix asap.
If not you'll have to bring out the big guns.  I use Rid-Ich+ with great success.
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Re: fungus
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 05:13:12 PM »

WELCOME TO THE FORUM, MUMZILLA

Sorry to hear about the troubble you went through Sad

Well, if Pimafix and Melafix don't work, I do have a "shotgun" for just in case: It is called MultiCure by VitaPet, it contains Acriflavine, Malachite Green and Methylene Blue. Directions how to use on the bottle.

Hope you'll set up your tank for your new little friends, but please follow the advice already given by Mindemae.
Also read as much as you can about Goldfish, go through the many posts on here too.

We are setting up a new tank for our goldies and it is so much fun: planning, restoring, buying the stuff, etc.
And we are talking tou our 2 babies, telling them what we are doing, they could choose their background poster, LOL.
As it is double sided, I turned it arround and asked" Which one do you want?" And I put the side up where they wiggled more...lol
(sorry, this is abit "off topic" but I think It is a good thing to cheer up)
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