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Jackno7
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Getting started what to do ?
« on: November 26, 2010, 08:34:44 PM »

Hey there guys, I am fairly new to having fishies my tank has been operational for 3 days now.
I set the tank up according to all the info i have read in book and the advise from the pet store. I have a 250 ltr tank with about one and a half inches of gravel, seven diffrent fresh water plants with about 50 differnt sprouts and some river rock structures, this has not over crouded the tank though.

I have Aqua one Aquis 1250 series 2 bio and mechanical filter witch cycles 1400 ltrs per hour. I have 2 mirror comet of 4 1/2 inches long one white one orange, 2 red cap comets of 3 inches and 2 gold comets of 3 inches.

I have added prime for chiorine, chioramine ect. stability for good bacteria, conditioning salts, all as instructed by advise and bottle insruction. Food I feed twise a day only what they eat in a small period of time, consist of omega one diet sinking pellet, blood worms and blime shrimp, is there any thing else i need.

how can i cool tank down to nice comfy 18 to 22 c. as i read that these are ideal tempretures for comet especially when it come to breeding, I aslo read that the fry sustain better at a constant 68 F.

 thanking you in advance  Grin Huh

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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 10:30:20 PM »

Hi Jackno7, another Aussie on board, WELCOME to the forum,  Grin

Sounds good what you've done, CONGRATS.
Can you posts pics?

How warm is it up there in Mackay now? We've got about 28 cels at Maroochydore.
If necessary I will float ice cubes in a bag, or smaller frozen waterbottles which I will put in a waterbag too, to protect my fishies touching the frozen bottles. Chillers are far toooooo dear.

According to food, have a look in General discussion : guide to feeding veggies.

Prime and Stability are excellent products, in the meantime I use Supa Chlor, it is an Australian product, especially designed for the water we're getting from the dams. Send you a PM.

BTW, how are your water readings for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH ?
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 11:55:39 PM »

Hey there Hanna

Thanks for the info will look up the feeding vegies in the guide. I have got all the Ammonia, Nitrite,Nitrate and PH test and are testing daily at the moment every thing is testing good.

Weather is good now have had a fair bit of rain late but warming up now its in the mid 30's about now. Whats is the supa Chlor use for ?
Can you freeze some of your tank water, then let it thaw out back in the tank for more cooling affect?

I know that the chilling machine are very costly but if i was to try and breed some fishies would this be the best way to keep constant temp, I will post picks as soon as I figure out where to put this SD card in
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 12:02:37 AM »

Hey there I check out that site and the supa chlor its for lime and all those type of metals concentrates copper zinc ect. I have to get me some of that thankyou kindly.
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 12:23:54 AM »

yes, Supa Chlor is a water conditioner. I use it instead of Prime, also to support locals  Wink
It also has very good rates among the aquarists here. Also Macropore which is equal to Purigen as a filter media.

I wouldn't float ice blocks straight in the tank, I'd put them in another water bag to protect the fishes from ice burn
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 01:05:15 AM »

Wow, sounds like you are doing everything pretty perfect so far so congrats  Cheesy Next time I would let the tank cycle before adding fish as any signs of ammonia or nitrite can kill your fish, if you let it cycle well there won't be any traces of these in your tank. But you said you are getting normal test results so maybe your tank is already cycled.

Now we have to see photos please Smiley
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 06:14:51 AM »

Hey there think I have work out this picture thing here goes. Cheesy
or not how do I upload pics Huh
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 06:41:38 AM »

You have to upload them on a website first such as (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) or (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) etc...(well thats how I do it)
And then you just paste the image url where you want the photo to show in your comment. Smiley

Ohh and too change your display picture for some reason I have found that it doesn't accept larger images. So you have to decrease the size of the image before uploading it. You can do this using a program like photoshop or microsoft office picture manager.
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 09:25:20 AM »

Thanks abbie your a champ
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 08:06:31 PM »

You can also, just upload photos from your own computer.
Just select "browse" and click on "add attachment". Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 01:05:29 AM »

Where do you find this browse, I have uploaded pics to my computer and the only browse I found is in forum diplay pic and it just comes up with the x and will not display the pic? Huh

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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2010, 01:11:03 AM »

What is cycling the tank and how long does it take. are you meant to not have any fish in there and I have heard that it can take up to six weeks can someone give me some info on this please.  Huh

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2010, 02:50:06 AM »

Yeah you can only upload photos using 'browse' for your display picture.
It does work but like I said it only works for smaller images. If the image is too large it will display an X. So you have to compress the image first.
...as far as I know you cannot use 'browse to post photos in comments, you have to do what I said above. Smiley
Unless someone know of another way?

Cycling the tank is waiting for the bacteria in your tank (mainly inside the filter) to establish itself. The bacteria helps to remove the toxins created by the fish. It is better to let your tank cycle without fish in it as cycling a tank can be stressful and even fatal for a fish as the water parameters are not stable. Cycling a tank with fish does help speed up the process but yeah as I said it is not in the fish's best interest Smiley
And yes it usually does take at least a month for a tank to completely cycle.
I don't know that much about cycling but i'm sure someone will fill you in soon Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2010, 03:07:11 AM »

Here is some info: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

It is very important to understand the Nitrogen Cycle.
As fish eat, they produce waste = Ammonia. This is highly toxic to fish. Therefore you need beneficial bacteria (like Stability) to add to the water. They will break down Ammonia to Nitrite, and Nitrite to Nitrate. Ammonia and Nitrite are toxic to fish, in a cycled tank the readings must be 0 ppm and Nitrate no more than 20 ppm.
According to the test results ( API MasterTestKit for freshwater ) one can tell at which stage of cycling a tank is.

As the aquarium is a stagnant water, regular tests and waterchanges are crucial.
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2010, 05:05:04 AM »

You can upload photos in post by clicking "browse" below the post, as in, you need open the full editor to be able to do that, so click "post a reply" or "preview", to get there. If you want more pics, just click "add attachment" Smiley
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2010, 12:28:24 AM »

I have started to get high Ammonia readings I have done 30 to 40 % water change yesterday and I am still getting high reading is there any other way of lowering this as my tank is still cycling I dont want to do a full change I will do another 30 % this arvy  and I have been adding prime and stability when I change.

Does anybody have any Ideas on this please.  Huh

thankyou kindly
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2010, 12:47:43 AM »

I have just notice a problem with little halfy his tail has gone brown and has like a white moss on it I think this may be fin rot does any body know of this and what can I do, Please help me. Shocked Cry
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2010, 04:26:01 AM »

Just keep changing the water Smiley Between 30-50% should be just fine whenever the levels get high!

It sounds like your fish has caught some fungal infection, which is understandable... do you have some cycled hospital tank for him? It'd be great if you could provide good water quality when treating Smiley I don't think it'd be smart to add any medication (not even Mela-/Pimafix) because you have to change water pretty often in that tank to keep the water quality good... Undecided
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2010, 05:05:50 AM »

Hey there guys

Got my little pic up, that is my man flec he is a mirror comet I will try to attach my other pic to this message there should be some of my tank and my second mirror fish snow flake I beleive that she is white and a mix of mirror and leather scale let me know what you think Huh

the others are my two red cap comet spike is the one with the red on his dorsal fin and fin a red on his tail and then there is goldy and my little man halfy he named like that because some of his dorsal fin is missing and the poor little bliter is crook at the moment and would really apreciate any info on this condition or what in might be.

thanking you kindly in advance

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2010, 05:14:20 AM »

I Just bought a small quaritene tank about 40 ltrs but I have only just started the cycling today and am worried that putting the little one in there might stress out to much. what do you think I should treat him her with.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2010, 05:42:07 AM »

Your tank looks lovely.
Halfy may be stressed because your tank isn't cycled yet. How does he behave?

Do you add Stability EVERY day according to instructions? How are your readings now?

If there are no serious symptoms showing yet, a treatment with Melafix / Pimafix should be sufficient for now. Follow the instructions on the bottle
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2010, 09:14:39 AM »

Oww! The white one is just precious Smiley And I love the scales on the mirror comet! Very interesting Smiley

Halfy looks pretty distressed though Undecided He's holding his fins so tight against the body. Tell me, how far has the cycling gone? How are the ammonia readings?
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 10:32:26 AM »

Halfy looks sick like he's not gonna make it.
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I would take him out and put him in a hospital tank.
Put salt in 1 TBS per 5 gallons for now.
Make sure the hospital tank has good aeration.
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2010, 06:29:07 PM »

Can I dose the big tank with melafix or pimafix or shall I put him in the new medi tank even thoe it has only been cycling for one day,

can I used both melafix or pimafix with salt as well or not, and is that conditioning salt or just normal old table salt.

I dont wont the little guy to die he just a little Aussie batler Sad

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2010, 06:55:00 PM »

Oh, I think he would do better in the hospital tank for now.
You should use aquarium salt and you can use melafix and pimafix with the salt.
He seems quite stressed withhis fins clamped like that. Poor guy! Sad
Make sure you add water condtioner to the hospital tank if you haven't and benficial bacteria too. Smiley
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2010, 08:53:24 PM »

Thank you Mindemae,Nossie and Hanna

I will put him in the medi tank i have put all the nessary treatment in, (stability and prime and science conditioning salt ).

Just worried about it being new water and stuff not cycled properly. Im off to get some melafix and pimafix,is there any think else I can do for the poor little bugger. Sad
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2010, 09:35:02 PM »

Well see how Halfy does in the next 3 days if he doesn't seem better I would use an antibiotic.
Is he eating? if so then I would feed an antibiotic fish food. Smiley
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2010, 09:51:11 PM »

They are all gorgeous fish, especially the mirror comet I've never seen anything like that. It's a lovely set up too Smiley

Hope Halfy ends up ok.
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Re: Getting started what to do ?
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2010, 06:35:52 AM »

Hey there

Thankyou Adrea, I just cant wait untill the tank finishes cycling and the water clears it will be real nice and peaceful beautiful to watch the fishies after a long day at work.

As for my little mate halfy he still swims reasonably and in eating well I try to feed him seperatly because he is a little smaller than the others and I like to make sure he / she get plenty of food but halfy was still getting in there with the rest to eat, but now halfy is in the medi tank I can carefully monitor every thing Including his eating, I am going into the city tomorrow and I will get some antibiotic food and some other medi just in case.
I have put a big air bubbler in the middle of tank and looks great under blue moon bulb and the fishies seem to love it, but can you over airate your water and if so how can you tell if u have Huh, I know comets (goldfish) can use a lot of oxygen but I just want to be careful.

Thankyou Kindly Smiley

 
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2010, 06:37:15 AM »

Sorry and thankyou too Mindemae Smiley
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