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Mohannad
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Gold fish activity
« on: June 06, 2012, 05:15:47 AM »

My gold fish seems to be hyper active all the time ....they are always hungry ...I know that they dont feel full and they eat all the time ....but not like that ...they eat and eat and eat ....and they move all the time ...I moved them into a new tank and they became hyper active ...any ideas ...?? please tell me
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 05:17:25 AM »

By the way ...i have a large filteration system of three filters ...does that have an effect ?
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scrivens345
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 05:48:42 AM »

And did you cycle the new tank?

What size is the tank?

How long established?

How many fish?

NH3,NO2-,NO3- levels please
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Mohannad
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 06:46:17 AM »

71 cm width * 32 cm width * 43 cm depth  , the tank was cycled and established for 3 days before I moved them in ...the water is very clear ...I dont know gas levels ....cz I dont have the kits ...and I dont have access to buy them ...the fish are healthy ...but hyper active !! ....
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 06:48:50 AM »

I have 2 ID shark ...2 bala shark ...2 comets ...4 fantanyl ..2 black moores !
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 06:55:13 AM »

a tank takes up to 6 weeks to cycle, NOT 3 days..

..your fish are NOT healthy, they are reacting to Ammonia. You will need to do a 50% water change everyday this week.

your fish tank is a nice beginner's size ~100l. of which 80L will be usuable.

 Would it surprise you to learn that this tank would only support 2 baby goldfish for about a year to 18-months, depending on breed?

Your tank is way over-stocked:
Fancy Goldfish require 30 gallons (36 US gallons, 140 litres) for the first fish with an extra 10 gallons (12 US gallons, 45 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 3 feet to allow swimming room.
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 11:08:16 AM »

I agree with scrivens. You HAVE to rehome your commons and a few of the other fish, obviously. Long-bodied goldfish shouldn't be kept in tanks smaller than 4 feet long. You should also know that goldfish are best kept in a one-species setup, so no sharks of any kind to be with your goldfish. You have to make a choice here, which fish do you want to keep?
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 04:56:23 PM »

what do you mean that my tank will supply only 2 gold fish ...?? this means ...that its over over crowded ! ...what should I do ..kill the rest ...lool ...thanx for the advice ...all I want that my fish doesnt die ...thats all ...otherwise ...Im happy with them ...and they seem healthy ...they doesnt show any signs of deformities ...like black spots in response to ammonia ...the water is crystal clear ...and they just move alot ...and eat to much ...I was just curious if that is normal or not ....as for water changes ...Im doing that every week ...50% changes ....is there a way I can make test kits at home ...I really cant afford to spend a penny now ..and btw >>i live in Jordan ..we dont have test kits here ..so I have to buy them through ebay or something like that ...and it will cost me much ....thanx again for ur intrest ....
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 05:05:39 PM »

Hi and welcome to the forums!

Seem's like you have stocked with fish that will grow too big for your tank size.
As already mentioned fancy goldfish need at least 40 litres each, common goldfish require ponds or very large aquaria (a minimum of 6 foot).
I was not familiar with the two sharks you have but a brief bit of research revealed that your bala sharks, need a tank of massive proportions, sources vary with recommendations ranging from 472 litres up to 900 litres.
I am not sure on what other shark type's you have, but I would suggest you look into them as well.

I can appreciate that finances might not allow you to buy suitable aquaria for the fish (especially when it's huge tanks), so consider the option of returning them to the store where you brought them or find a new home for them, perhaps there is a fish keeping society in your area, of people who have the space for the fish? Smiley

The fish acting hyper active, is basically due to bad water quality or an un-cycled tank. As already mentioned water changes will help. You may have to increase the water changes for a while, I re call my goldfish acted in a similar fashion and I found daily water changes helped, so perhaps do that until the fish's behaviour ceases? If test kits are un-available to you at the moment, then you could go by their behaviour instead Smiley
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 04:44:01 AM »

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what do you mean that my tank will supply only 2 gold fish ...?? this means ...that its over over crowded ! ...what should I do ..kill the rest ...lool ...thanx for the advice ...all I want that my fish doesnt die ...thats all ...otherwise ...Im happy with them ...and they seem healthy ...they doesnt show any signs of deformities ...like black spots in response to ammonia ...the water is crystal clear ...and they just move alot ...and eat to much ...I was just curious if that is normal or not ....as for water changes ...Im doing that every week ...50% changes ....is there a way I can make test kits at home ...I really cant afford to spend a penny now ..and btw >>i live in Jordan ..we dont have test kits here ..so I have to buy them through ebay or something like that ...and it will cost me much ....thanx again for ur intrest ....

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Silver Shark
Alternative Name(s): Bala shark
Scientific Name(s): Balantiochellus melanopterus
Category: Tropical
 
Maximum Size: 35cms
Minimum Tank Volume: 900 litres
Minimum Tank Size: 96" x 24" x 24"
Large elegant and streamlined cyprinid from Thailand and South East Asia. Massively oversold as suitable for small aquaria. Best avoided by all except those with expansive aquaria and large filters with good flow rates. Beginners should avoid this species
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 06:54:41 AM »

No offense, but I highly doubt that they don't sell test kits in the pet shops nearby.
If all else fails you could just buy a packet of test strips, they won't be as accurate, but they'll help you. I also suggest you read up A LOT on fish-keeping in general. I mean the basics: Setting up a tank, maintaining a tank, stocking it, feeding the fish etc.
You have a bunch of highly incompatible fish in an incompatible tank, a little bit of background research would have helped you avoid this problem altogether Smiley
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2012, 04:55:11 PM »

I did change 50 % water yesterday , 75 % today ...the fish move quite in the same way ...and Im not planning to get the sharks back to the pet store until they increase in size .....but what about the rest of the goldfish ...I want them to stay happy ...they look happy to me ...thanx for your concerns ...and what about decorations ...any ideas ..?? I dont have any now ...except the gravel ..
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2012, 04:57:34 PM »

Btw Im still an amateur ...I wanna know what does tank cycling mean ...?? thanx guys for helping
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2012, 09:19:30 PM »

You shouldn't have the different species of sharks together, they fight as they get older and will kill each other. As already mentioned the tank is really over stocked the sharks can grow rather large and are much faster than fantails so as well as attacking and killing them the fantails won't be able to get enough food and will starve. It might be an idea to decide which you want to keep and to re-home the others if you can't afford another tank.
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2012, 03:10:52 AM »

YOU NEED A TANK TEN TIMES LARGER FOR JUST ONE OF THOSE SHARKS
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2012, 08:50:13 AM »

Scrivens is right my uncle has one and it's huge. They need lots of space.
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2012, 12:14:59 PM »

Dude, what part of "You cannot keep these fish" is it you don't understand? |:
Don't start asking about decorations when you are AWARE that your tank is unsuitable, adding some little pebbles or a plastic shipwreck is NOT going to make the tank bigger.

I understand it's hard to imagine, you probably just see these happy-looking BABY fish for now, but in a month, I can guarantee that you will have lost most of them to disease, ammonia poisoning and stunted growth. There is a reason there are minimum tank sizes mentioned for certain species of fish.

Will you just take these fish back to the shop already? At least give them a chance to live in a proper home when yours clearly isn't.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2012, 02:28:33 PM »

Nossie please tell me you are kidding Nossie. He is actually asking about decorations for a tank he  knows is too small. These people are ridiculous. I wish there was someone we could ring and they would go in and remove them.
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2012, 05:40:27 AM »

Mohannad, I agree with the others. You need to find suitable homes or take the fish back to the pet store as soon as possible. Don't wait for them to 'grow a little bigger', that's not going to help when your tank is already overstocked.

Using an aquarium stocking calculator -aqadvisor.com- it said the following;
"Warning: Bala Shark is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 30.5 cm.
Warning: At least 5 x Bala Shark are recommended in a group.
Warning: Comet Goldfish is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 25.4 cm.
Warning: Fantail Goldfish is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 20.3 cm.
Warning: Black Moor Goldfish is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 25.4 cm


Your tank is too small - it will require massive amount of frequent water changes each week!

Your aquarium stocking level is 414%.
Your tank is seriously overstocked. Unless this setup is temporary, you should consider a larger tank."

Wasn't sure on what your other shark were, but I imagine stocking would go up to 500% or possibly even 600% with two extra sharks.

As for cycling... it is basically the process in which bacteria develop to deal with the waste produced by the fish that live in the aquarium.
So to begin with, ammonia is produced by the fish, which is extremely toxic to fish, bacteria develop to deal with this and eventually the ammonia level will go down, this is because bacteria are developing which convert the ammonia into nitrites.
Now nitrites is pretty bad for fish as well, so again bacteria will develop to convert the nitrites into nitrates.
Nitrates are okay as long as they are in a low concentration, usually below 40ppm is best. This is why weekly water changes are necessary - to keep the nitrates in a cycled tank in check.

Most people recommend a fishless cycle, as it is safer than having a fish-in cycle.
A fish-in cycle isn't impossible, it's just a lot of extra work and more hazardous for the fish. The water will need testing, so you know what levels ammonia/nitrite/nitrate are at and changing water on a daily basis in some cases is necessary, to keep the ammonia and nitrite as mentioned above, under control.
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2012, 10:59:15 AM »

I just tried using that but I don't know the makes and the of my filters Sad
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2012, 01:39:03 PM »

Maybe try looking on the filters themselves? They might have a model number or something similar?
I find the website really useful, but of course, researching individual species for more specific details and care Wink
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2012, 03:01:29 PM »

Yeh I know my 28 litre is overstocked at the moment as there are 22 fish in it but 21 of them are tiny at the moment and most will be going when they are 2 months. Unfortunatly there isn't alot I can do at present. I might move some into the 60 litre when they are a bit bigger to try and stop stunting.
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2012, 03:10:49 PM »

Vicky, you can always get a large storage container ( several hundred ltrs) and use a small hang-on filter (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2012, 06:01:27 PM »

I suppose so but they don't take up much room at the moment and as soon as they get a bit bigger I have another two tanks to spread them out into. They should be ok. Most of them haven't even got their colouration yet, so far only 2 of them have. My biggest problem is that I don't have room to put a container in my room and I can't put them anywhere else as my mum doesn't even know about Logan and victor let alone that they have had babies.  Lips sealed
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2012, 03:05:25 AM »

after one week daily 50% water changes ...the water is crystal clear ...but the fish remains the same degree of activity ..?? any clues ...?? I have 3 filters .., may be the water flow is tough and making them swim all the time ...any clues !
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 03:42:37 AM »

What 3 filters do you have? What is their individual turn over i.e. litres or gallons per hour.

Have you been able to look into larger tanks or re-homing your fish? Any luck with nearby pet stores? Perhaps you could take the fish back to the store you originally brought them from?
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2012, 03:54:37 AM »

You're not even reading our posts. We have told you already what you need to do and what makes them so "active".
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2012, 04:57:20 AM »

The water being clear is irrelevant..the POISON IS INVISIBLE..... Angry
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Re: Gold fish activity
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2012, 05:01:02 AM »

The aquarium stocking calculator is basicly saying you need a 100-105 gallon tank to hold all these fish which aren't all compadible.
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2012, 04:57:25 PM »

Im so sad that some people are being aggressive with their replies ...I thought this discussion is to help each other ...not all people know everything ...my tank is about 6 weeks old ....i havent lost any fish till now ....Im not planning to keep the sharks ....but the goldies I love them ....and I will keep them ... if they out grow ...I will donate them ...sell them ...or something like that ....thanx alot for your concern skwishee ...and for your lovely reply ...
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