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grims
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gold fish and river fish
« on: January 26, 2013, 12:25:20 PM »

I have gold fish and wild river chubs and an algee eater who get transferred every year spring into the outdoor pond fall into the house into a 30 gal tank we have done this for four years now and the chubs have even had babies the gold fish ate some until they either didnt taste good or were to hard to catch
My question is what should i do to encourage continued succsess i really dont care for them the way i probably should they basicly take care of them selfs except during feed time when i have lot of eyes staring me down.

Thanks Ed
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pufferman
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 07:00:45 PM »

lol that is a new combo for me other than weekly water changes when inside you might need to get a bigger tank for the winter how deep is the pond. if it is 3.5 feet or deeper the goldfish can live out there for the winter. if u put a bubbler in their and make sure there is always a hole in the pond not frozen over
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grims
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 07:32:13 PM »

Up here in Maine i wouldnt dare besides i enjoy their company and antics in the winter they have learned if they rattle the thermometer on the end of the tank they can get my attention away from the computer to feed them and in summer they hury to the side of the pond your on (very small pond and waterfalls)
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pufferman
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2013, 04:32:05 PM »

ya it gets cold there but it still can be done i am in Ontario and it can be done at -20  it just depends how deep the pond is but it is a risk the first time
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Skwishee
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 05:35:40 AM »

Those fish need to be kept in a larger tank over winter, 30 gallons isn't really big enough given how large common goldfish can get. I'm surprised you can fit 4 year old commons into that tank, when they should really be around a foot in length by now.

May I ask how big your pond is in us gallons and it's dimensions? How many fish do you have and their sizes? What type of goldfish are they, I'm assuming common the long single tailed goldfish?

Instead of the 30 gallon tank, why not get a large kids pool and keep it in a garage for the fish? It'd give them much more space!
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grims
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 05:58:25 AM »

how many gallons my pond is?...really?.....i would say the main pond is 10 x 12 x 2 1/2 feet deep there is actually three ponds it flows from the top one into a set of twin falls to a second one then another set of falls to a creek that flows to the last pond where the fish are this gives them the chance to feed naturally at the inlet. The kiddie pool is a good idea except i dont know where id put it and  a bigger tank would be nice but on a fixed income i dont see that happening till next year.
I love my fish and i would never keep them cramped up as your suggesting my fish are nowhere near a foot long.
maybe coming on here was a mistake   
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pufferman
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 12:59:01 PM »

sounds like a cool pond
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2013, 01:38:50 PM »

Poor fish Cry
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grims
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2013, 04:59:11 PM »

im sorry you feel the fish are abused i came to the wrong place i wont bother you guys again
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Skwishee
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 05:24:38 AM »

I was merely curious about the pond size, because you mentioned this in a previous post:

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(very small pond and waterfalls)

That can mean anything, to some people a small pond could be 3 foot x 4 foot and so I just wanted to ask Smiley

You're pond is in fact very large Wink And I think depending on weather, pre-cautions, it may be possible to over winter them but as they are used to warm weather and indoor conditions now a kiddie pool is always a great option Smiley
30 gallons isn't a massive tank compared to what the fish live in the rest of the year, especially if you have lots of pond fish in the one space, that was all I meant, you didn't give us any details or tell us how many fish, so more often than not I just like to ask questions to check, we have seen some pretty crazy set-ups here, so I apologise that you took my comment offensive, when that was far from what I intended.

Usually common goldfish grow pretty fast, but there are circumstances when they won't reach their full potential and without knowing the fishes history or enough detail, I assumed they would be of a larger size, I apologise for this wrong assumption, I was in no way meaning you kept your fish in cramped conditions Undecided I was simply trying to understand the situation, which is why I asked how many fish and their sizes.

Please try and understand from our point of view we have very little information to go on and so I ask questions when I'm not sure about things and yes I may make a wrong assumption. By all means prove me wrong, or explain why I'm wrong, I'm happy to learn new things, but please remember I was trying to help you not offend you Sad
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pufferman
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2013, 01:50:17 PM »

just keep doing what u were before give them some  water changes not everyone can have a perfect set up and if your fish look happy that is what matters
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2013, 05:43:28 AM »

Here you are grims Smiley Some information on goldfish growth, so you can see what I was meaning.

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Pufferfish I'm not entirely sure, I agree with your statement. While I can appreciate people end up in situations because of a lack of research with animals (myself included) when that person learns the errors of their ways (like I did) or in Grims case they do what they think is best and later find other ways to improve things, why not do it if it's entirely possible and will be better for the animals?
My suggestion of a kiddies pool was because it's been suggested to me for when Lucky's big enough for a pond (if I had the space and didn't re-home her), large tanks are very expensive and I think it would be un fair to expect anyone to jump up and run out to buy one, but there are so many other ways to get around things to give the fish a better home like using storage containers (gives you time to save or find a new home), kiddies pools, building a wooden tank and such forth, that I really think if someone can improve life for their fish and it is within their capabilities why not take it? Smiley
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2013, 03:25:00 PM »

that was mostly what i was saying and the pool is a good idea but if he cant do a pool/tank for whatever reason if he keeps on the same path his fish will be fine 2

we have to make sure people want to come back here to learn more in this case the way things were said made grims upset and probably  never come back because people told him that they feel bad for his poor fish because of the way he is keeping them

i have seen this alot if a person does not have a perfect set up/ tank parameters people jump on them right away for it we have to give people a break  and not tell everyone that they are bad pet owner if there nitrate is a little high at least they come here for help.
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 05:24:33 AM »

I agree, I am a little sad that Grims didn't and probably won't see my message, I intended no harm and never do. Often as it is with the internet, things can get mis-read and mis-interpreted, I do my best to help, but there are occasions when my words get taken wrongly. I feel if I had checked back here sooner, so Grims could have seen my message before deciding to leave, then he would have stayed.

I can agree that yes a lot of people out there don't have a perfect set up, but there is a huge difference between a 'not so perfect but will have to do' set up and then one that will actually damage or harm the fish. I have seen the damage first hand, because I've done it and I feel if I can help people or stop people from making the same mistakes I did, then it would be so much better for the fish.

For example in my situation, I have a common goldfish in a 90 litre/3 foot tank. If I go to a forum and post just that, then yes, people will and have jumped at me for it (even more so when I had her in the smaller tank). But the moment I give more detail with regards to the 90 litre tank and explain she's stunted, she's growing very slowly and isn't suitable for a pond yet, then they back down. I think a lot can be helped or avoided, if more details are given Smiley

But I also think the attitudes of some people don't help, not only the fish keepers but the people asking advice themselves. I've seen members leave because of others not giving helpful advice, but then I have also seen people get the best advice possible for what to do about their fish and they completely disagree and say their fish is 'happy and fine' then leave, some people come to seek validation rather than advice and when they're challenged or don't hear something they like, they leave. This is a general going's on, not aimed specifically at this thread Smiley
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2013, 11:08:45 AM »

I completely agree that people sometimes misinterpret or misread advice that is given.  Oftentimes (I'm just as guilty as anyone) we take well-meaning advice as an attack.  I would hope that people coming on here with questions would try to remember that things said aren't meant as criticism, but as a way of trying to help. 
I have learned so much from this community!
I knew NOTHING about how I was supposed to care for my goldfish when I got him & if it weren't for this site, I would most likely still be doing EVERYTHING wrong.

So, to anyone new (like me) remember that everyone is only trying to help you learn what is BEST for you & your fish!
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 03:06:09 PM »

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lol that is a new combo for me other than weekly water changes when inside you might need to get a bigger tank for the winter how deep is the pond. if it is 3.5 feet or deeper the goldfish can live out there for the winter. if u put a bubbler in their and make sure there is always a hole in the pond not frozen over
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lol that is a new combo for me other than weekly water changes when inside you might need to get a bigger tank for the winter how deep is the pond. if it is 3.5 feet or deeper the goldfish can live out there for the winter. if u put a bubbler in their and make sure there is always a hole in the pond not frozen over
I habe 3 goldfish, 2 black moors  in my 90 gallon outside tank.  one of the moores is turning orange, any idea why?
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Skwishee
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Re: gold fish and river fish
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 03:18:50 PM »

A moor turning orange? That is certainly odd..... This here has some info on goldfish changing colour: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

A quick check on google, brings up lots of results, so it may be a common occurrence as black is an unstable colour within goldfish (often with some common goldfish, black markings can disappear). The link above mentions about colour change in moors Smiley

Also thank you Spazzy for your comment Smiley I was in the same boat as most newbies here, joining up here 2 years ago, I took a lot of things as 'rubbish' and didn't believe people here. It was only because I went to other places, asked the same questions and got the same answers, I finally began to learn that those here were trying to help and I began to learn the truth to the goldfish Smiley
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