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teetsymomo
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Goldfish miss-classification
« on: January 02, 2011, 11:47:47 PM »

Here I thought I had 1 fantail and two ryukins, where it turns out I actually have 1 fantail (who I thought was a ryukin) A real ryukin, and a ribbontail, (who I thought was a fantail). Should this really matter, well no, but it irks me that I was miss informed. Does anyone know exactly what a ribbontail is? Is it a type of fantail, or a type of ryukin or is it it's own breed.
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April
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 12:47:15 AM »

Hmmm...I've never heard of a ribbontail. I wonder if they are like a veiltail  Huh sure sounds pretty though, bet they are all gorgeous babies Wink
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 02:35:35 AM »

Well, I don't know either but I found these links. Smiley
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 03:52:41 AM »

Ribbon tail, butterfly tail, fringe tail, broad tail... the difference really lies only in the fins Smiley
Both my calico fantails and one of my moors have ribbon tails Smiley When a fantail usually is recognized by the smooth back and stiff tail, there are some that have different shapes on their tails, but are still variety-wise, fantails. Ryukins are usually the ones with the broadtails, which simply are bigger tails, not like a veiltail, because it's forked, but similar Smiley
Fringe tails are like our big, old fantail, he's got his tail and fins about the size of a veiltail, but his caudal fin is forked, and his body is shaped like a fantail and not a ryukin, which makes him a fringe tail.

So you have two fantails and a ryukin Cheesy And the ribbontail is "just" a fantail with longer caudal lobes Smiley
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 11:19:12 AM »

I have a butterfly tail fantail and a fantail with a singil fantail caudal.
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 01:33:38 PM »

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I have a butterfly tail fantail and a fantail with a singil fantail caudal.

What do you mean a single fantail caudal??
If it has a single tail then it is a comet!
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 05:15:14 AM »

Then I geuss it doesn't because its pretty slow to be a comet
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 05:49:50 AM »

Fantailer: I just looked at the other post with the photos and it looks like a Shubunkin, if that is the fish you are talking about. Why do you think it is a fantail?? And how is it slow? You confuse me  Huh
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 07:04:54 AM »

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Then I geuss it doesn't because its pretty slow to be a comet

If he Is a comet and slow, then he is sick.
Maybe you can post a close up pic, so we can see the tail better?
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 07:54:26 AM »

Oh great I have a shubunkin with a fantail thats not good. The petstore labeled it as a fantail Undecided. I meant that Ive seen faster shubunkins and comets but I have to admit he is faster than the other fish. They don't compete for food though the supposed shubunkin gets the first peice and then the fantail catches on. I'll post a pic later today I'm getting ready for school. Undecided
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 08:54:22 AM »

Don't worry too much. As long as you watch them eating and make sure that the fantail gets enough food then he will be fine.
I keep a comet, fantail and pearlscale with no problems whatsoever Wink
Funnily enough the fantail and pearscale are little piggies and generally end up eating more than my comet does.
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 08:55:58 AM »

And that sucks you have to go back to school. Going back to school after a long break is the worst Sad
I'm so glad I don't have to go back to uni for nearly two months Cheesy
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2011, 07:12:51 PM »

Pics of Titans tail!
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2011, 07:14:55 PM »

Sorry the pics are side ways! Embarrassed
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 07:28:29 PM »

Judging by the rounded body and the tail in the first pic...that looks like a calico fantail to me...
Though in the second photo it looks more like a comet...
Its hard to tell cause the photos are a little fuzzy Undecided

I was just reading on this site that due to poor breeding standards different types of goldfish can have caudal fins that their species was nor originally bred to have. So maybe this is just a fantail with a single caudal fin then?
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 12:00:51 AM »

I think in the second photo he looks like a fantail but it is really hard to tell  Undecided I'm sure you can look up some photos on the internet fantailer and work it out for yourself  Smiley A fantail and a shubunkin together though not recommended would be fine, fantails are pretty good swimmers and are greedy so don't worry if it is a shubunkin Smiley
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 06:37:16 AM »

That's most definitely a fantail. And if he has a single tail, that's probably just a genetical mistake on this individual fish.

Some of my fish have single anal fins even if they're not meant to so... why not a single tail? Smiley
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 05:15:40 PM »

Thanks for all the help!
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 10:03:41 PM »

Your fish looks just like my teetsy girl.  I was told she was a fantail, but she has the longest caudal fins ever and she's such a slow swimmer.
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2011, 12:59:45 AM »

So she does only have one tail fin and is a fantail? That's interesting Smiley
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2011, 02:23:34 AM »

I think they call that kind of goldfish a nymph. According to my book  Animal Planet Aquarium Care of Goldfish by David E. Boruchowitz, "Nymphs= Goldfish breeds come and go in popularity. Some consider the goldfish known as "nymphs" to be a breed that is practically extinct, but others consider the nymph to be a sport, a genetic variation or throwback that pops up from time to time in a spawn of double-tailed fish. All goldfish varieties, however, are just sports that people decided to selectively breed for once they appeared. The fish in question here has an egg-shaped body like a fantail, but with a single tail."
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 04:13:15 AM »

As I mentioned before, fantails can have lots of shapes on their tails! So if the lobes are really long, it's called a ribbon tail or fringe tail, depending on how deep the forking is.
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 06:38:12 AM »

Tee hee I have a genetic mutation on my hands!  Shocked
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 08:48:07 AM »

ALL fancy goldfish are genetic mutations. ALL dog breeds are genetic mutations. ALL cats are more or less genetic mutations.
EVERYBODY have genetic mutation.
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2011, 05:32:33 PM »

ALL living creatures ( including humans ) are genetic mutations, so are plants, microorganisms, etc. As Nossie said EVERYTHING.
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 05:42:38 PM »

Well that's great to know for the next time I call someone a mutation, it won't really be an insult!!! LMAO! Cheesy
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2011, 05:54:26 PM »

proud mutant for the past 42 years!!! Grin
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2011, 06:09:08 PM »

ROFLMAO April and Minde... same here but soon for 51 years, LOL hahahahaha and I feel so young and love to be st...d sometimes Grin
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2011, 06:20:24 PM »

ah yes young and fun at heart ♥ I love this!!!  Grin
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Re: Goldfish miss-classification
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 07:12:00 PM »

Oh gosh were all mutants well Titan doesn't feel out of place anymore!
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