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toomanypets
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Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« on: November 03, 2010, 08:25:19 PM »

My sweet girl was being bumped & pushed by another fish , he even started "nipping" her tail. Then another 1 got in on the action. The  bullies  were rubbing up against her & nudging her little belly & kept on nipping her tail  She ended up with a small short "cut" in her beautiful tail.  I took  Kissy out of the tank , couldn't stand her being abused any longer,  she's in a small 10 gal. by herself now & seems to be lonely Sad   

How long do they need to be separated?  Are they trying to  mate with her? Or are they being mean?   
Should I  have Comets  in a separate tank  or can I keep them & commons together?
Bullies have tiny bumps on gills, does that simply show they're male or ready to mate?

Please tell me what to do  to keep my fish happy & healthy


Currently in 40 gallon tank.   50% water changes once a week.  Water quality checked twice a week.   
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 09:21:29 PM »

Sounds like spawning.  Which is normal behavior for fish.  I wouldn't worry too much.  Some of my females even lose a few scales during the spawning chase. The female, if she is full of eggs will expell them and then the male fish will fertilize them with his milt.  If you want to raise the fry then you probably would have to remove the eggs to a different tank as the fish usually will eat thier eggs and newly hatched fry. White spots on the fishes gill covers mean they are male.  They could have white spots down their pectoral fins also. Smiley  If white spots like fine grains of salt show up all over the fishes tail and body then that is an outbreak of ich.
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 11:06:12 PM »

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My sweet girl was being bumped & pushed by another fish , he even started "nipping" her tail. Then another 1 got in on the action. The  bullies  were rubbing up against her & nudging her little belly & kept on nipping her tail  She ended up with a small short "cut" in her beautiful tail.  I took  Kissy out of the tank , couldn't stand her being abused any longer,  she's in a small 10 gal. by herself now & seems to be lonely Sad   

How long do they need to be separated?  Are they trying to  mate with her? Or are they being mean?   
Should I  have Comets  in a separate tank  or can I keep them & commons together?
Bullies have tiny bumps on gills, does that simply show they're male or ready to mate?

Please tell me what to do  to keep my fish happy & healthy


Currently in 40 gallon tank.   50% water changes once a week.  Water quality checked twice a week.   

No, they are not mean, this is normal spawning behaviour. The tiny bumps on their gill covers are breeding tubercules. Your boys seem to be in this certain mood and want to have Kissy laying eggs. Is she rounder than usual? Or still slim like the boys? She may not be ready to have eggs yet.
You can keep comets and commons together, not a problem
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2010, 01:09:49 AM »

Thanks ya'll.   Kissy is slim like the boys.  She's smaller than them so I was afraid they were picking on her for being tiny.     Can  Kissy be seriously injured from the spawning?   I don't like her being sad  but I dont want them to hurt her either.    Do fish have a cycle like cats & dogs?   I don't  need to  have babies  now because I'm still learning about caring for adult goldfish  it would be very careless &  irresponsible   of me to let them mate  I also  don't want them to  make eggs then eat the poor things.   I've never saw goldfish eggs before so I wouldnt know what to look for.    After I'm properly educated  on  fish fry  I'd  attempt  it  as my oldest daughter wants to  breed them  for  a school  project.   
I thought of Ick  when I 1st saw the bumps  & as I was reading through this forum I read the 1 about fish gender & saw the pics of the  gills  That's what  3 of mine have ( my daughter had already diagnosed them as tubercles lol) .
I'll try to post a pic  of them close up
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 01:54:28 AM »

meet Trink a Dink .  Can u see the bumps?   
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2010, 03:23:42 AM »

I see the bumps very clearly Smiley
And yes, Kissy could actually get pretty stressed from the males' spawning behavior, especially if many of them are chasing her, but if you notice that, just separate them, like you did.
By the way, you don't need to worry about having goldfish babies, because the goldfish will eat the eggs AND the possible babies unless you'd separate those as well. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's natural goldfish behavior! The eggs will simply look like a bunch of small jelly balls, about the size of a pin head Smiley Forgot if they were amber or more white, I think I've heard of both cases...
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 03:45:47 AM »

100% a beautiful boy.
I also read that if you separate male and female and put them back together after a while, they may be more randy...
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 11:03:33 AM »

I put Kissy back in with her friends  last night so far they're behaving .  She's so happy to be back with them.  They spent the  night dancing for me & are enjoying a game of bubble bash right now.     Planning their move into 55 gal. tank this weekend  water quality is great today  just want to make sure it maintains  the levels for another 24 hours.  I'm going to move the biggest  1st  wait 12 hours(water test) then move another ; next day move 2 more in wait 12 more hours (water test) then move final fishy into new home.   Does this sound like an adequate plan or  do I need to change it?  Please advice me in correct method of introduction  to new bigger home.   They have 1 more move to make after this  when they're "mansion" arrives  so I'll use the same method  both times. &  for the   newbie fish  when they're ready for  "permanent" residence.

Here's a pic of Kissy & her bunch  at bedtime happy to be together again.
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 02:00:18 PM »

You could always cycle the new tank completely by using water from the established system, and add lots of beneficial bacteria. Then you could introduce maybe half of the fish at first, and then the other half Smiley While testing the water daily, and changing it whenever the nitrogens spike Smiley
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 02:56:14 PM »

 Oh look at all your precious fishies! They are so pretty Cheesy I'm in the process of setting up a new tank for my chubby fella Mr. Tailer. I have done as Nossie suggests and added a small bit of gravel and water from the current tank to aid in the propagation of new beneficial bacteria. Your tank is so colourful I love it! Wishing you all the best with your sweet goldies Cheesy
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Re: Is Kissy being bullied or something else?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2010, 06:51:57 PM »

When I moved ours ( replacing the tank ) I drained about 60l of the old tank water in a 80l plastic storage box and kept all 5 in there for a few hours ( with an airstone running and plants in there ) until I cleaned out the old tank, replaced it and set up the new one. I drained more water out in another container and put it back into the new tank. I used the same gravel, same plants, I didn't touch the filter just swaped it over. It was like a 60% water change. And I put all five back. All fine. Ok, Sunshine developed a tad of fin rot, I put it down to moving-stress but now it is almost gone due to treatment with Melafix and Pimafix as soon as I noticed it.
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