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creamkiller
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sick fish again
« on: May 21, 2010, 07:40:13 PM »

hi goldfish lovers

i have a black moor that has fin rot he is about 2 -3 inches long. i am treating him for fin rot. the problem is he cant swim very well and keeps getting stuck on the intake of the filter and cant get out that just makes the fin rot worse. right now i have the filter ofF so he will not get stuck and am changing the 10% water every day. please help my fish. any 1 have any ideas

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Mindemae
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 06:15:37 AM »

Hello,
Your fish is very weak that is why he gets hung up on the filter.  Try this:
Keep the filter turned off but a airstone going with a pump.
Add 1 TBS of aquarium salt per 5 gallons of water.
Get yourself some Melafix and dose according to directions.
You may have to hold your fish in a wet net (or have someone else hold him) and trim off the rot with cuticle scissors and then paint the fins with methlene blue or iodine.  The fins will grow back.
Also, do you check your water chemistry regularly?  It is important to do so because water parameters that get out of wack can compromise the health of the fish and make them more suseptable to diseases such as fin rot.
Good luck! Smiley
Keep us posted.
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 08:57:13 AM »

hi gold fish lovers

 i am treating with melifex already. i made my self a home made tank divider. i gave my moor 1/4 of the tank to stay in while he gets better. that way i can still have the filter on. the filter is on the other side of the tank. 

my water is fine i just gave my fish a new tank 30 gallon tank. so they might be stressed from the move i think that might have been part of the problem.

what do all the goldfish lovers think

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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 02:17:33 PM »

It's a very good idea to simply divide the tank (: Filtration is very important, especially during treatment, as it may worsen the water quality to have it turned off.

You could be right that the move was quite stressful for your fish, but any new tank also needs to cycle, and this can lead to high ammonia or nitrogens, so please keep an eye on your water parameters for a while to make sure that your fish has the best possible environment to heal (: The usual, pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Do some smaller water changes if you notice problems with this, and dose the medicine according to the amount you change to keep it constant. Your fish is eating well, right? As long as he does that, he should recover with the right treatment, like the one Mindemae suggested (:

Keep us updated! And good luck with your fish (:
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 03:39:31 PM »

hi again
he  wakes up a bit when i feed thankfully. i am ahead of u nossie. i put most the water from the old tank and put it in the new tank and just moved the the filter over because it is still big enough for that tank. i bought a big aqua clear 70 for my 20 gallon tank. now that i have upgaded it is syill big enough for it. all i had do do was add some fresh water so it is just like a big water change of 10 gallons  Smiley what do u that any thing else i could do

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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 08:16:46 PM »

The only problem with keeping a filter in the water is that if you use carbon in your filter, it will filter out all of the medications you are using.  You can keep a filter running without the carbon inserts but it would be the same as an airstone running.
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 04:43:10 AM »

Good to hear! (: That way you'll avoid lots of trouble Cheesy

Either way, Mindemae has a good point! About the carbon, do you have that in your filter?
You should take that out in this case, otherwise you might be treating without success as the filter absorbs the meds...
I've heard that carbon also gets clogged really fast, so it's better to use it during certain periods, after a treatment for a few days to get rid of the chemicals that are left after medicines... etc.
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 04:50:15 AM »

Melafix should do it's job. I had the same problem and it works wonders, just took a few days. The fact that it is eating is a really good sign too.
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 07:21:49 AM »

hi again

i did take the carbon out when i started the meds. even with out the carbon it still works as a mechanical filter. pus there is always some good bactire in the filter pads so i think that will help out to
am i missing any thing esle

thanks jordan
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2010, 08:22:12 AM »

Hi Jordan,
I think you are doing a great job.  The hardest part is now being patient and wait until the Melafix and other meds start working.  If you don't see any improvments in a week or so then you might consider oral antibiotic fish food as well and keep up with the Melafix.  If you see any signs of white fuzziness on the fish or it's fins, you can also add Pimafix to the tank which is for fungus.  You can use all of these meds together including the oral antibiotic.
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 11:07:10 AM »

hi again

i woke up today and my fish did have white stuff on his fin good call minderae. about a year ago i bought a new fish home and a week later my tank had ich so i bought liquid fungus cure by API it did work for ich. i have put it in my tank to. has anyone heard of this product and do u think it will work instead of primifix or do i need to go buy that to please help my fish.

he is swimming around a litte more now though

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 11:12:33 AM »

I would use that API fungus cure ASAP.  Melafix and Pimafix are both put out by API, fyi! Smiley
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2010, 11:48:38 AM »

hi

so does that mean primafix and my API are the basic same thing. i have the api in my water already

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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2010, 10:37:45 PM »

I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but I should warn you about something that happened to me: Pimafix and antibacterial medicines kill not only the bad bacteria, but also the good.  If you are not treating in a hospital tank, be sure to check the water chemistry frequently.  If you kill the good bacteria, the ammonia will spike, and you will have to let the tank cycle all over again.  Of course it's better to medicate your fish, just keep an eye on the ammonia levels.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 11:33:40 AM »

Both Pimafix and Melafix are a natural remedy and neither one will harm the beneficial bacteria in your tank like other medications (antibiotics) will.
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 11:36:52 AM »


Even tho Melafix and Pimafix are both from the company API doesn't mean that they have the same ingredients as other products by API.  Read your label and Ingredient list on the bottles before deciding what is or is not right to use with other products.  I know you can use both Pimafix and Melafix together with aquarium salt and water conditioners by API.  You can also use an oral medicated fish food with all these products.  The oral medicated fish food when fed as directed, doesn't seem to harm my beneficial bacteria in my tank either.
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 08:11:53 PM »

Actually, it was Pimafix that killed my bacteria off.  It may be different for everyone.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2010, 09:18:31 PM »

Well, it says on the bottle of Pimafix that it will not harm the biological filter in fresh or salt water aquariums or ponds.  It also says that Pimafix is harmless to live aquatic plants.
I would call the company and tell them then that you believe Pimafix killed off the good bacteria in your aquarium.
1-800-847-0659 or you could maybe contact them at (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
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Re: sick fish again
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2010, 02:45:27 AM »

HI JORDAN,

I APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING TO YOU ONLY NOW, I FIRST READ YOUR POSTS AND EVERYTHING I KNOW WAS ALREADY MENTIONED BY NOSSIE, MINDEMAE, ANDREA AND NICOLE. I DID LEARN A LOT FROM THOSE BEAUTIFUL LADIES So I only can repeat waht they advised to do: Keep your water parameters in the advised range, treat with PIMAFIX and MELAFIX, both are natural remedies and do not kill the beneficial bacteria, if this does not work use antibiotics and of course without carbon filter.

I HOPE YOUR BLACK MOORE IS DOING BETTER

I only have experience with API Stresszyme and API Stresscoat
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