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meashaw
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Newbie fish owner question
« on: August 27, 2010, 04:38:43 AM »

How many days do you take out some water and add too or is it once a week and do i leave the water in a jug for a few days before hand? or do i buy somthing to treat water etc  Huh
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meashaw
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2010, 04:39:24 AM »

I havent had fish since i was a child  Wink
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2010, 06:33:06 AM »

If the tank is all set and cycled I do a 15 % - 20 % waterchange per week. Once a month siphoning the gravel and a 50% waterchange, aslo trimm the plants, maybe add new ones, check the filter media.
Watertest once a week.

If your tank is not cycled you should test your water daily and perform 50% waterchanges accordingly.

Always add waterconditioner and check for pH before adding the fresh water. Also adjust the temp.
You may need to add beneficial bacteria too.

Before adding fish the tank should be cycled anyway.
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 06:12:26 AM »

whats cycled mean? iv been changing a bit of water i have a ph balance as i believe my water is ghard in my area Huh
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 11:06:39 AM »

The nitrogen cycle has been explained ten million times on this forum already, it's a ca 6 week process where the bacteria nitrosomas are established in the system to deal with ammonia and nitrite. In the first phase ammonia is rising to slowly disappear and turn into nitrite which in turn will give way to nitrates, which would be the final stage of the cycle. In a cycled system the nitrates will slowly rise, and the ammonia and nitrite are both 0. You deal with the nitrates by regularly changing a part of the water.

And I would recommend nothing less than 50% every week in an established system. Anything smaller won't help the slightest in the long term.
It's important to clean the gravel with a siphon as well, during every water change, so if you don't have a gravel cleaner yet, go buy one! They should be real cheap since it's pretty much just a cup on the end of a hose d:

You don't have to leave the water to stand at all, that's just some bullsh*t. Buy a good water conditioner and dose every bucket of new water with that and it'll be ready to be poured into the tank right away! Smiley It's not any more complicated than that Smiley
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 05:12:46 PM »

I add a picture of the Nitrogen Cycle again, for a visual understanding.

Also if you add plenty of plants, they take partly controll over Nitrates too, as they will consume them for growth. They also absorb CO2 the fish release into the water for their photosynthesis and give O2 back which the fish use up to breathe.
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 02:31:21 AM »

Hanna: Thanks for mentioning the plants! I take it for granted that everybody have live plants in their tanks! xD
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2010, 04:09:48 AM »

Unfortunately there are too many people out there who use fake plants ONLY or none at all.
Because they don't or don't want to understand the importance of their presence to establish a complete biotope, a mini ecosystem...

Nothing against fake plants if they are combined with real ones in a good relation of course. Like in Hump and Heps tank we do have maybe 15% fake plants against 85% real ones.

Especially as a devoted fish keeper the understanding how everything works together is so important, the whole cycle or better the whole 2 cycles happening in the tank; Nitrogen cycle, carbon dioxide cycle and the metabolism in plants.

If people don't care about this, they'd better keep away from having fish.
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2010, 09:59:26 AM »

I think the problem is that it sounds more complicated than it is. You mentioned that neighbor of yours who was completely turned off just because she heard about the nitrogen cycle and decided not to keep fish after all. But it's really just about watching the water quality for a few weeks! And the plants? Well, they take care of themselves. I don't know how many times I've read in books and on internet that they're messy and need to be looked after. I've pretty much just planted them and left them to grow during my years of fishkeeping d: It's enough knowing that they absorb the nitrates from the water and gives oxygen, lol.

Btw, I bought a load of new plants today! Smiley But there are a few I'd like to buy more of, so I'd still like to wait with posting pics Wink
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2010, 01:44:57 PM »

At least she decided NOT to have fish, instead of not worrying and ignore the importancy of a cycled tank and proper maintenance.
Yes, the plants they care for themselves, I add a bit plant growth sometimes and they flourish. Ok, sometimes I remove a leaf which fell off or floating bits and pieces our babies bit off Grin but that's all...

Yep, we ordered heaps of plants too, they will be shipped next Tuesday, so we'll have them by Wednesday; have a look at this site: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

I also want to have a go to grow my own plants. Plan to use the scratched tank on the back porch when it is replaced by the new one.
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 01:35:43 AM »

That's the exact reason I don't have plants. I always thought they were too hard to keep and I have been scared off until now Cheesy Though I am still a bit scared as I'm a total newbie to them Tongue But I've done a fair bit of research so hopefully all is ok.
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 03:37:35 AM »

Andrea, don't be scared... it is easy and the fishes love them. Sunshine will be delighted Wink
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 04:51:24 AM »

ah thats so i dont have to move my fish into a bowel to clean the tank iv have a fluild to help make the water safe for fish do i just keep adding and taking water Huh
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 04:53:47 AM »

Thanx all for advice it helps so much  Cheesy
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 05:37:00 AM »

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but during partial water changes, you leave your fish in the tank, and change just a part of the water, about half per water change is a good way to go Smiley
And yes, a water conditioner that will neutralize chlorine is needed for the new water, you dose each bucket for the amount of water it contains, and then you simply pour it into the tank Smiley But be careful when pouring so it won't uproot any plants Wink

In conclusion: You remove half of the water in the tank (and clean the filter media in the buckets of water if needed) and then you fill the tank up with new conditioned water Cheesy
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 06:12:05 AM »

understood ty so much x Wink
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 06:42:21 AM »

Anytime Smiley It's good that you ask! Cheesy
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Re: Newbie fish owner question
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 07:04:40 AM »

Just wanna emphasize: if you clean the filter media, only rinse it in this bucket with OLD tank water, so you won't destroy the beneficial bacteria which already settled in there  Smiley
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