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Skwishee
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2011, 07:36:54 AM »

GoldFishNoob, I'm so sorry to hear about Moe Embarrassed

It's okay, you're doing the best that you can do for them, just remember that.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #121 on: September 25, 2011, 10:31:08 AM »

That's what happens in crowded tanks, sadly... been through it myself. It could be something the fish has been carrying for a long time already, it's just that his body couldn't fight it anymore :/ (Especially when it comes to fish that are bought from feeder tanks or won at fairs. They're usually in worse physical shape than healthier and more looked-after fish.)

I'm really sorry for you Sad
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #122 on: September 25, 2011, 11:00:36 AM »

Thanks guys....my remaining 3 fish are doing good. I'll keep an eye on them. Shortly after Moe died and there had been 3 in the tank for a while I saw slight chasing/harassing in the tank. I heard that in a tank situation with tankmates there's usually an "alpha" fish. I think Moe might have been it...so there might be some heirarchy shifts going on. Or maybe they just miss him. :/
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #123 on: September 25, 2011, 11:37:18 AM »

Yeah just keep an eye on them, if you begin notice one is being a bully to the others, then the bully may need to be seperated for a short period of time.

Other than that keep up with the water changes and cleaning, the others should be okay, as Nossie said, Moe could have been sick with fin rot before you had him.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2011, 04:30:56 PM »

Larry, my now largest goldie seems to pester Bob, my littlest goldie a little more. There never use to be any bullying in the tank until Moe died. But Bob seems fine, not stressed or anything. Still stealing food and eating like a little piggy.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #125 on: September 25, 2011, 07:54:46 PM »

Is it o.k to let a goldfish nibble on your hand? Cause when I'm cleaning the tank Bob, my smallest goldies likes to swim over and sometimmes he nibbles on my fingers.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #126 on: September 25, 2011, 08:12:01 PM »

Yeah, it's fine. My cichlids do it all the time.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #127 on: September 25, 2011, 10:35:19 PM »

I dunno if it's just my eyes playing tricks on me but my goldfish seem to be slightly larger than when I first got them. XD Bob use to be the smallest and now he's almost as big as Curly. O.O Also, is it normal for gold fish to pick at the rocks and plants in a tank? Sorry about all the questions. I'm just curious about what normal gold fish behaviore and I don't wanna waste a new thread.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #128 on: September 25, 2011, 10:51:31 PM »

Yep, they pick at everything. they will also pick up rocks and them spit them out.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2011, 02:04:21 AM »

Its okay GoldFishNoob ^_^ I ask questions a whole ton as well  Smiley

Goldfish like to look for food debris in amongst the gravel, so it's fine if they're having a bit of a hunt and yup sometimes they like the plants too, in fact I noticed holes appearing in mine as Lucky was actually eating it Cheesy Occasionally she'll even give the filter a bit of a pick too!

As for the behaviour, I did read some of the guys on here talking about separating a fish that was bullying, by temporarily putting them in a basket in the tank, so if the behaviour of Larry gets worse, that's always an option. I've read you can use veg baskets or something similar? Maybe someone can clarify Wink
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2011, 02:38:18 AM »

I'm glad they're happy and healthy enough to display these kinda of natureal behaviores. I've seen them pick at the filter too, the rocks and the gravel, but my plants are fake so they won't be able to eat them. XD I'm not really too concerned about Bob, he does'nt seem stressed or anything and he's still eating like a little piggy. I think they're just trying to sort out whos the new boss fish in the tank.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2011, 06:13:41 AM »

Still, watch them. If you notice that it won't stop, you'll probably need to separate the bully for a while. A plastic basket or something similar to that without sharp edges should be just fine for that purpose.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2011, 02:16:58 PM »

*nods* O.k. I will.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2011, 03:22:12 PM »

What do you guys think about this tank for my 3 remaining goldies? (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) It's the only thing I can find near me that large that would'nt be impossible to save up for. I'd just have to work out where to put it and how to get it home from the pet store. XD
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #134 on: September 26, 2011, 04:26:21 PM »

That's called a 40 gallon breeder. Pretty nice. They are a common size for breeder tanks due to being kind of short and having a large footprint for their size. I think it would be nice tank.

You would need a pretty big filter. Odyssea makes a canister that you get on Ebay for $60 that filters 500 gph. It would be a good filter for that.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #135 on: September 26, 2011, 06:44:39 PM »

For the filter I could'nt buy a second aqua clear 20 and just tag team it?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #136 on: September 26, 2011, 09:32:58 PM »

It would be a bit underfiltered.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #137 on: September 26, 2011, 11:43:39 PM »

I figured that would be the case. If I need 500gph with two aqua clear 20's it would fall 300gph short...hmmm. If I go aqua clear again I would have to get at least a 50-70 to accomplish close to 500 gph. I think their's only go up to 300gph. Maybe I'll look at the ebay one...looks complicated to put together though. XD And besides, it says they except paypal only, and I don't have a paypal account.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #138 on: September 27, 2011, 12:29:39 AM »

So that means I may have to save in upwards of...135ish for the tank....60ish for a aqua clear 70...$195. @.@ *Faints.* Exactly how long with they be o.k. in that 10 gal for?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #139 on: September 27, 2011, 02:18:16 AM »

Any birthday coming in?? If you'd get any money you could save that for a tank (I did, and boy, did it hurt giving away 300 over the counter?! But I'm happy now Cheesy)

If that's any comfort, canister filters will look complicated, but they're really easy to set up once you get how they work. There's also usually a manual with the filter that shows you how to put it together Smiley But in the end, it would be cheapest for you to just get an external filter, unless you want to run a load of seemingly cheap internal filters (expensive in the long run). In a 40 gallon tank you'd need 400gph of filtration, if that makes anything easier! Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #140 on: September 27, 2011, 02:26:47 AM »

My birthday is actually next month on the 23rd. XD In between my rare art comissions, when my aunt slips me a little money every month and when I house sit for my neighbor I get money trickling in, but how long it'll take me to save that much is highly debatable. Unless by some miracle I get a job in the next few months, it may take a while. People are always like "Save your money." and I'm like "What money?" lol and when I do get money there's usually not a whole lot I want so I can pretty much resist spending.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #141 on: September 27, 2011, 03:11:38 AM »

Sounds good to me Smiley If you keep taking care of the fish the way you did, I think they should last a few months still. (Especially since the tank is bound to cycle soon!)
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #142 on: September 27, 2011, 10:38:44 AM »

Aquaclear 110. It does 500 gph and runs about $60.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #143 on: September 27, 2011, 03:26:04 PM »

Here's a video of my 3 remaining fish...they've been doing this alot lately. Is this bully or play behaviore?

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I've been religiously cleaning the gravel every day and doing small water changes every 2-3 days. They seem pretty active and healthy, but I'm starting to worry about Curly (Orange and white), because he's been showing the same symptoms Moe did before he died. :/ Notice his clamped fins? The tank is'nt that dim/murky, it's the lamp above the tank I had its on low, it has two settings. Guess I should have turned it up for the video. XD
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #144 on: September 27, 2011, 05:42:59 PM »

I see what you mean about the behaviour... I didn't think Goldfish would be like that, as I thought them to be quite social?
Hmmm maybe one of the others can shed some insight, the only experience I had was when I had Star (for the short period I had him) he would just hang around with Lucky, they were quite the pair swimming around together, I never saw any aggresive behaviour like that.

As for Curly, check out his fins, are they healthy looking? Fin rot itself from what I've read isn't contagious, but sometimes more than one fish can contract the disease. It could be something else, clamped fins is -I believe- a sign of stress, so keep an eye on him and see if theres any other odd behaviour from him, or any changes in his outwardly appearance.

Hope he gets better! x
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #145 on: September 27, 2011, 06:34:08 PM »

I just cleaned the gravel and added some fresh water cause the level drops a little when I clean. Curly seems to be acting alot better. Fins are'nt clamped anymore. Physically he looks good, shiny scales, no visable fin damage. They seem to get along great aside from the occassional tussle/play whatever they were doing in the video above.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #146 on: September 27, 2011, 09:07:37 PM »

Larry fish ( my big orange common) seems very healthy and active. I've never seen any signs of stress or illness in him/her and he/she is getting to be quite the hefty little fish. Which makes me very happy, but at the same time it's like a count down to when I'll need a bigger tank, so it's stressfull. XD I think if anyone of them is going to survive my noob care it's going to be Larry.

Luckily I have 3 art comissions on my plate. It's a start.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #147 on: September 28, 2011, 03:29:28 AM »

I think fish generally seem to calm down during water changes, I'm not sure why, but Lucky is the same.
When she was flashing because of stress, she would always stop and chill out when I was taking the water out!

But if Curly's fins are okay and there's nothing else, it's probably him just feeling a little stressed. Just continue to keep an eye on him and carry on with the water changes/cleaning Cheesy

Good to hear about the commisions! Just keep swimming, things seem to be fine Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #148 on: September 28, 2011, 04:13:08 AM »

About the bullying, it could be that they noticed that they want more space than that. Goldfish can get pretty territorial if they're kept in a small tank, especially since some of them personally have that requirement for a certain amount of space, they don't like when the rest of the fish are so close all the time. It's pretty common in smaller/overcrowded tanks to see this kind of behavior.
So you mean Curly is the sarasa comet? The one with orange back? If you see his fins being clamped against his body, it shows that he's not happy about the current situation. Fish get very stressed if they're being chased around like this and can then contract a number of infections because of the weakened immune system.

How is the white/red dot one doing? I noticed he/she's not moving around much, not as much as the two others at least, is it sitting on the bottom a lot or...?

Good luck with them commissions! Smiley Where did you get them? Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #149 on: September 28, 2011, 09:03:45 AM »

Yes, Curly is sarasa comet. The little red and white is doing good. He/she swims around alot. Does'nt sit at the bottom, no fins clamped. Hogs all the food, so I have to watch how much he/she eats. They all get very excited and swim up to the glass when they see me cause they know I'm the one who cleans and brings food. I'll have to get a better video some time of their normal behaviore in better lighting. They actually spend a majority of their time swimming about and "grazing" on things.

As for the comissions, I got 1 from my neighbor and 2 from the Tarantula forum I'm part of. I post an art request sale message on there when I need to make a little $$.
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