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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #180 on: October 05, 2011, 03:00:35 AM »

To run cords outside to the patio we'd have to leave both the screen door and the sliding glass door cracked open all the time, which I'm not sure dad'll be too keen on. :/
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #181 on: October 05, 2011, 03:17:53 AM »

Would it be at all possible to maybe re arrange the furniture in one of the rooms to pop the tank in?

I'm having to work out the exact same thing, need a bigger tank.... where to put it? It feels a bit like playing tetris Cheesy
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #182 on: October 05, 2011, 04:57:14 AM »

If we scoot the couch over a smidge more it may fit on the table in the corner where the 10 gal in now. But if nothing else works and the situation is desperate enough I'll make room for it in my room and fill it as much as possible so I won't have to sleep with the water flow noise of the filter. Eventually get some air stones or something for it. The only reason why I don't fill the 10 gal completely is it's not actually a fish aquarium and it's not meant to be filled with water so I'm playing it safe. I can rearrange stuff in my room so it'll fit on the floor in the corner. We live in a 2 bedroom one bath apartment so space is a little tight. Once I find some where to put it, the next issue is getting it home. But my friend said his grandpa might be able to help me get it home. If it'll fit in the back of his van.
 
So after all that the only real issue is getting the filter quiet enough for me to sleep at night.

If I can get all the tank stuff myself and set up the whole deal myself he should have no reason to complain. It's times like these I wish I had my own place. Don't have to run things past anyone but myself...and maybe my roommate if I had one. XD
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #183 on: October 05, 2011, 08:44:34 AM »

I honestly think you could fill that tank all the way up. They don't have any thinner glass than what they make 10 gallons out of so it isn't any weaker than a regular tank. When you do get a new tank and you do fill it up all the way the filter will be very quiet.
If a 40 is too big maybe look at something a tad smaller, like a 30 long. And yeah, it probably would be a better idea for you to move it to your room. Then dad won't even have to see it.
When I was just a bit younger than you I lived with my grandparents, and I had a 75, two 55's and a 30 gallon in my room. I ran out of space, so I conned them into letting me put one in the living room, another 30. But I was working at the time, at a pet store, so money was not an issue.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #184 on: October 05, 2011, 12:22:56 PM »

40 isn't too big for my room. My room is actually quite spacious for an apartment. As for dad, he likes my fish and likes seeing them swim around when he lays on the couch, he's just not super into pets like I am. I just realized I still have my plastic folding table, so I could switch it with my wood desk, set the tank on top of the desk behind me and then put the plastic table in front of me so I can draw and have my laptop and all that. ( Yeah I have a corner nook situation going. XD ) and there's a power outlet for a filter and all that.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #185 on: October 06, 2011, 02:45:01 AM »

I have a one-room apartment, sharing with my fiance, and.. I have three tanks set up and a fourth one standing empty (The biggest one is more than twice the size you'd have to accommodate). In the end, if you really want, you CAN make space Smiley Like you already figured out Wink When I lived with my parents I never used my desk for anything either way, I was always drawing on the floor or in the bed xD *drawing all night- person*

If you're worrying about the filter making nose, that's no problem! You can just put it a little bit lower under the water so it won't splurt it around too much, and then you can have some air stones to provide surface agitation so the fish will get oxygen during nights too. Most filters don't have very loud mechanics so it should be fine Smiley Sounds like everything is slowly starting to come together for you! Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #186 on: October 06, 2011, 03:29:19 AM »

I hope so. Just gotta get it piece by piece. First the tank, then the filter and then whatever miscellaneous stuff I need for it. Maybe by the time they have that sale again at PetCo I'll have a good chunk of money saved.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #187 on: October 06, 2011, 04:48:38 AM »

Sounds a good idea for your room Smiley Glad to hear things are slowly getting together!

I'm like Nossie, I end up doing art anywhere! When I was at college, I did most of my art work on the bed or the floor XD

As for the noises of things, my filter makes hardly any noise, in fact for some reason, my air stone is louder! All them bubbles Wink
But I imagine when the air stone is in a bigger tank it'll be less noise! Plus the noises that I do hear, I find quite relaxing to listen to as I fall asleep Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #188 on: October 06, 2011, 01:50:17 PM »

Lol I've done art on my bed before but never on the floor. I'd get too uncomfortable. I've always had a table/desk of some sort to draw on.

My filter itself makes no noise unless you're standing over it then there's a slight hum, it's the sound of the water pouring out of the filter back into the tank that makes the noise. XD BTW is there an air pump that has more than one outlet to plug stuff into? Like....I could attach 2 air stones to one pump?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #189 on: October 07, 2011, 02:28:12 AM »

There are air pumps with multiple outlets, yes. And that would make a really useful investment.
I have a few connection-thingies though that you can use to connect the air lines, like you put one into the pump, and then stick two other lines to that one (Can't find pictures, but it's basically a little plastic pipe, about 1 inch long with another little pipe in the middle, like this: |- ).
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #190 on: October 07, 2011, 02:47:21 AM »

Yeah I looked them up just now and found a couple with double outlets. But so far all the reviews I've been seeing for different pumps haven't been very encouraging. :/

I'm gonna have to do some maintenance on my filter tomorrow when I get up cause it's not putting out water like it usually does.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #191 on: October 07, 2011, 03:38:35 AM »

I think with some air pumps you can get different valves and things to attach to them, so as long as the air pump is powerful enough to have multiple ornaments, you can get a valve with the right number of outlets, I think?

My brand of air pump is Aqua Air AP2 by Interpret and it's been fine, the pump itself is silent, the bubbles make more noise!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #192 on: October 07, 2011, 03:59:02 AM »

Makes sense to me. Would probably just have to step up the psi on a single outlet pump to attach two accessories to it. Unless I just go with one of these. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #193 on: October 07, 2011, 05:23:19 AM »

I'm like you Nossie. I alaways end up drawing a stick figure or two on a test and I even use my huge disgusting nails to carve my pencil.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #194 on: October 07, 2011, 06:23:07 AM »

Fantailer: That's hilarious!! x'D "huge disgusting nails". Me and my friends were drawing panties and other unsuitable stuff on our tests once... *cough*
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #195 on: October 07, 2011, 09:25:17 AM »

When you are placing the 40 gallon keep in mind that water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon. That tank will weigh slightly over 300 lbs., so make sure you put it on something strong. Also, you want it to be level. A tank of that size has a lot of internal pressure and if it is not level it can spring a leak over time. Put a piece of medium density foam under it and it will level itself out pretty well. You don't need anything expensive, a sheet of that packing Styrofoam will probably work.

As for the noise, pumps, air pumps, etc.... don't worry about it. The filter will be very quiet once you have a full tank of water. There is no need for an air pump. You would be just spending extra money to get bubbles that will in the end make more noise. The power filters ripple the surface of the water more than efficient enough to create gas transfer and oxygenate the water. Trust me. I have run plenty of over stocked tanks in my time and never used air pumps. When you already have a proper filter they do absolutely nothing but make bubbles and noise. Just buy another filter like the one you have, put them both on the back wall of the tank, one on either end of the tank, and fill the tank properly. You will see that where the water flows back into the tank you will have a ripple/wave action, that surface disturbance is what puts O2 in your water. Hang on power filters actually do a better job at increasing the O2 levels in water when the tank is full and it flows into the surface of the water versus having the water level low and letting it cascade like a water fall.
This is what you want... see how the surface is agitated where the water flows back in?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #196 on: October 07, 2011, 02:13:07 PM »

Oooh yeah. I see that. That's alot more ripple action than I'm getting. I just get slight ripple and some bubbles under the surface. For the 40 gal I was thinking of getting an Aqua Clear 70 if I can't get a 110 and just double it up with my Aqua Clear 20, put them together on the back of the tank. It won't do 500 gph but it'll do 400 which is better than nothing. If I can get a AC 110 and double it with my AC 20 it'll put out 600 gph though. Cheesy As for the table, I don't trust my plastic fold out table with 300lbs, that's why I'll put it on my desk, it's the perfect size and it's very sturdy, I've had it for years ( and when I mean years I mean since I was like....7 lol) and it's never so much a wobbled.
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« Reply #197 on: October 07, 2011, 03:23:06 PM »

I just did a little maintenence on the filter, looks pretty glarly in there, especially on the media and the sponge, but I left it alone and just cleaned the motor and what not. Filled the tank up about an inch from the top and reprimed the filter and now I got a nice little water ripple action going.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #198 on: October 07, 2011, 04:17:45 PM »

Well good news folks, looks like my good friend, who has a habbit of spoiling the people he cares about has decided he's going to buy me the 40 gal tank and ask his grandpa to help get me there and back with it. Cheesy He does'nt take no for an answer, like some one else I know *coughs* Dad. So the decisions been made for me. Dad way like "You can consider it an early b-day present from him." and I was like "Yeah and that way I won't feel half as guilty" XD
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #199 on: October 07, 2011, 05:02:41 PM »

Awww YAY! That's great Grin Congratulations!! Bob, Larry and Curly will be pleased Wink

You must show us pics, when you have it up and running!! xx
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #200 on: October 07, 2011, 06:27:11 PM »

Well I have to get a filter for it next. The tanks just the first step. The 40 gal's gonna be pretty empty as well for a while. Not sure if I should put them in it when I get it or wait and set it up properly (Filter, dechlorinator.) then put em in it.
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« Reply #201 on: October 07, 2011, 07:07:01 PM »

Here's where I plan to put it.

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« Reply #202 on: October 07, 2011, 11:47:44 PM »

I thought Dad was o.k. with it, but it turns out he's not. He's worried if something happens to the tank all that water will go eveywhere. He says he does'nt want the 40 gal in here and if he's not letting us bring it in if we get it. I'm pretty upset. It looks like I'll have to get a job and get my own place before I can get something better for them. After all this, I still don't know what to do and who to believe when it comes to wether they need the 40 now or whether they'll be fine for years. I want to do the best I can for them but I can't help but think some of this is overkill all at once. I know I sound like I'm stepping backwards, but I think I just need to step away from all this for a while and see how things go the way they are...thank you for all the advice and help and I will keep it all in consideration for when the time comes. I just can't handle the stress and it's rediculous that something as st*pid as a 40 gal tank would have me angry at my dad.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #203 on: October 08, 2011, 02:48:55 AM »

Do you know how often tanks start leaking? Never. If it's a new tank it won't leak. I think he's just not pleased that you found your own solution for this problem of yours.

I was going to give some tips on how to do it easily and safely when moving the fish but I guess I'll wait with that 'til you'll need it Tongue
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #204 on: October 08, 2011, 04:24:46 AM »

*sighs* Yeah...everything'll work out. I know it will. Just gotta be...patient I guess. Keep up what I've been doing and hope for the best.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #205 on: October 08, 2011, 05:07:46 AM »

Yeah my pinky nail is a centimeter long! Shocked
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #206 on: October 08, 2011, 01:45:34 PM »

For now I've decided to try and optimize the conditions in my 10 gal tank by getting some declorinator and a gravel vacuum.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #207 on: October 08, 2011, 08:03:16 PM »

I'm finally caught up on this story again... Sounds sad that you can't set up the 40 gal.  I doubt it's going to burst water all over your room.  Sounds kind of like a funny excuse but that's between you and your Dad.  Plus it's an apartment, so who cares...  Smiley   I think it's easier to clean a larger tank because it's easier to reach into, etc.

Maybe your friend will let you set it up at their house, but you'd have to visit them all the time.  Grin

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #208 on: October 08, 2011, 11:28:05 PM »

Who cares? I care, my parents care and most importantly management might care as well as the maintenence people or who ever else have to come in and replace the water damaged carpet which is practically brand new. I know it's there job and all, but it's also our jobs as paying tenants to keep our apartments reasonably maintained, cause they could (Not that they would) very well kick us out if they saw fit. I know it probably won't happen, that the tank will leak, but I don't need probably or maybe or I doubt it, I need it won't. Besides, if you'd like to try convince my dad to change his mind, then be my guest.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #209 on: October 09, 2011, 03:21:13 AM »

Point is: THE TANK WILL NOT BURST. Probably not even LEAK.
You don't have to go all apocalyptic on us over here. Nobody means any harm.
Go ahead and take care of your fish now and wait until you'll be able to support yourself and your own place before you get the tank etc. Seriously, I think we can all do without the rants about your dad :/

If you need help, we'll be here.
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